Track tire Hoosier or hankook?

Masterbeatty

I have been researching track tires but from what I see more people run the Hoosiers. But what about hankook ventus or the r214's. does anyone have any experience with those since they are $50 cheaper than the Hoosier's? I am just looking at a second set and can care less if they are dot approved for the street.

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Hoosiers are a track only tire, not for highway use at all, so you would need a way to get them to the track. They also heat cycle out pretty fast so typically only the hard core autocrossers and wheel to wheel race cars use them.
The Hankook RS3 is a street tire that also works well on the track. This kind of tire is what most people here use. I am trying the new Direzza ZII in stock 19" sizes this weekend at Texas World Speedway.

GSS138

Those two tires are not even really in the same category. There's a big difference between them. And when you say ventus are you talking about the RS3 or the V-12?

Either way, hoosier is a straight race car tire. Can't drive them on the street. It would probably be a waste of your time and money to start with hoosiers on the track. It's a great tire and a standard, but even most of the hardcore track guys don't use a straight racing slick. It is a bit more popular with the AutoX guys though-the ones that are doing it competitively.

V-12 is a good daily driver and pretty solid for track. RS3 is a step up for track, but maybe a waste of money as a daily driver. I use RS3's on the track, then I swap to goodyear f1's for all weather/daily driver on the street. Way I see it, no reason to use up my expensive rubber driving to work in traffic.

If you only have one set of wheels, stick with the v12's or maybe consider pilot super sports.

EDIT: Sorry OP missed your last sentence first post.

If you are looking for straight track tire, then yeah maybe check out Nitto NT1's. Pretty much everybody I track with that drives a Nissan switches from RS3 to NT01's. I am not sure why none of them use the Toyo R888, but amongst that group they swear by those two tires.

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ChrisSlicks

The Hoosier offers slightly better consistency over it's life time. The Z214 is good but seems to cycle out a bit more quickly. The C91 compound like a Hoosier A6 and the C71 is more like a R6. A good stepping stone to the full race tire is an intermediate race tire like the RA-1, Nitto NT-01 or R888. I used NT-01's for a while until I reached my limit.

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wstar

I'm still liking my Conti DW for a trackable street tire. On these measures of grip quality and all of that, they're really pretty bottom of the barrel, not even in the same league as something like an NT-01. But they have surprisingly good grip for a tire that lasts so damn long, the tread pattern's good, and they're cheap. I think they've been excellent beginner track/street tires for me, and I'd probably recommend them to anyone starting out. I'm getting to the point now where I'm really overdriving them and they get very greasy by the end of each session, so I'm probably going to have to move on from them soon.

Later this year I'll probably step up to a second set of wheels with something like NT-01 or R888 on them, and keep the current wheels + Conti DW's for rainy sessions and any street driving required. I need to get a trailer first though so I can stop driving the car to events and have somewhere to carry wheels. Then *maybe* later on if I feel like cash is just burning a hole in my pocket and I've really dominated an NT-01 level tire, I'll think about putting slicks on those second wheels, Hoosier R6 or something roughly equivalent.

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Masterbeatty

I'm not worried about Having a good streetble track tire cause my wife always brings her car with all the superfluous bs. But I just want to prolong my street tires since I got bitten by the RC bug and can't seem to get rid of it. But I see a lot of guys at autox using Hoosier but when I was looking at tires online I also saw hankook slicks too. But either way when i buy tires looks like its gunna be the r-888 since I can get them for cheap on base.

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cossie1600

R888 sucks after your first day

chrischhorn

The new BFG R1-S seem to be performing pretty damn well. In the SCCA magazine of March said that it outperformed all other slicks. Bad thing about them was they bit extremely hard to the limit but at the same time let go immediately once you pass that threshold. Very fine line between amazing grip and amazing loss of grip. Then again, BFG is once again the year sponsor for SCCA lol. I've always been a fan though.

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The R1S's take a lot of heat to get to the max grip level, and are not as easy to drive at the limit. The A's are more consistent (although they are easier to overheat than the R1S) from the get go. The limited larger R1S sizes are the only reason I have really tested them yet...

Masterbeatty

What about getting them heat treated on tire rack or discount tires?

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ChrisSlicks

The R1/R1S suck in the cold but are fricken awesome on track when it is warm. Auto-X is a little tricker because the runs are spread out, takes more time to build heat. You really want something you can drive hard out of the gate, which I think Hoosier A6 is still the king in that regard.

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Masterbeatty

OK. Thanks everyone for the help. I did auto cross yesterday and talked to a bunch of them so i think the Hoosiers are the way to go.

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Trust me. Once you run with Hoosiers (even used Hoosiers) you will never want to go back. The trick is to buy them used from John Berget Tires for around $70 a tire and run them down to the cords.

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BGTV8

Can you guys in the US get Dunlop DZ03G .... it is a very well regarded R-Spec track tyre here and has been used consistently by Targa Tasmania winners going back 10 years.

BTW, the BFG tyre are now owned by Michelin and most of the BFG tyres we see in Australia are actually manufactured in Thailand - is anyone sure of where the US sold tyres are manufactured ......

ChrisSlicks

The BFG R1 and R1-S are made in the USA.

They don't normally sell the DZ03G in the US, but they can be acquired for a high price. The local shop that runs a rally car gets them to use for tarmac rally stages, but they cost a ton here (imported from the UK). Not worth it for the US track rats as there are stickier slicks for the money, the advantage for rally is they are more forgiving and can handle some light dirt action.

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