Cannot Recommend AAM Competition Anymore

avantgti7 · 02-01-2017, 08:34 AM

THIS IS A LONG REVIEW BUT PLEASE READ IT IF YOU ARE A NISSAN/INFINITI OWNER AND ARE PLANNING TO TAKE YOUR CAR TO AAM FOR ANY KIND OF WORK.

I am writing this review in conjunction with my friend. I own a Nissan 370Z and he owns an Infiniti G37S. When I purchased my car in 2010, I learned about AAM via a Google search when I was looking at cat-back exhausts. I really liked the way that the AAM true dual 2.5 inch exhaust sounded in an audio clip on AAM’s website. The exhaust was reasonably priced, easy to install with basic hand tools, and of good quality/craftsmanship. Nearly 6 years later, it is still installed on my car today and I have no complaints regarding the quality, fitment, craftsmanship, sound, etc. Based on my positive feedback, my friend also purchased the AAM short-tails exhaust not long after and had AAM install a cold air intake onto his car. Again, both of these aftermarket parts were reasonably priced compared to competitors, easy to install, and of good quality. These events all took place in the 2010-2013 time frame.
Fast forward to December 2014, and the clutch on my friend’s G37S one day refused to come up from the floor. His concentric slave cylinder had failed and a local Nissan dealer immediately quoted him $2000+ for a new clutch. He however brought the car to AAM because of my recommendation and he thought that he would use this opportunity to upgrade his flywheel, clutch, etc. with stage 1 parts. We worked with Marken Smith at AAM who said that we could order the parts from Z1 Motorsports ourselves if we wanted. Marken said he was going to do the same thing himself anyway and just to make sure that the parts ship to the shop. We were never told that by purchasing the parts ourselves and having them shipped to the shop that AAM couldn’t warranty their work on the car.

The parts that were installed on my friend’s G37S included the following:
1) Z1 Motorsports 370Z/G37 performance street clutch and flywheel combo kit with braided SS hydraulic clutch line
2) Z1 Motorsports concentric slave cylinder elimination kit with fluid
The total for the parts including shipping was around $1,200.
AAM quoted the following for labor:
1) AAM shop supplies = $100
2) AAM clutch/flywheel/concentric slave cylinder elimination kit = $1,391.00 or 13 hours of labor at $107/hr.

AAM total labor quote with tax was $1,580. This quote ended up being closer to $2,000 for labor when the final bill settled because AAM said they ran into some difficulties with the install. Why was my friend up-charged on his bill because AAM didn’t know how to do their job? AAM said that they had never installed a concentric slave cylinder kit before and so it would require some extra time. Today, we know that a clutch/flywheel job on a Nissan 370Z/G37 shouldn’t take more than 5-6 hours. We were stupid and didn’t do the research at the time. We didn’t think to question the 8+ additional hours of labor to install the concentric slave cylinder elimination kit.
After more than a month, my friend received his car back in mid-January 2015. The clutch pedal was extremely heavy to modulate. Again, we were stupid and didn’t do the research so we thought this was normal for a stage 1 clutch’s feel. Over the next few months in 2015, my friend brought the car back to AAM a few times because it wasn’t shifting right. It felt like the clutch wasn’t disengaging and engaging the gears correctly all the time. For example, sometimes the shifter would pop out of gear into neutral. The clutch fluid reservoir in the engine bay was also not holding fluid and would become low after a few days. On each visit back to AAM, they would make small adjustments or say that this was normal for the kit blaming it on the parts which we bought. They never took responsibility.
Finally in 2016, my friend’s car got to a point where the clutch hydraulics started showing signs of problems and eventual failure. If the car was left sitting for a few days and you wanted to move it, you would have to let it warm up and pump the clutch 20-30 times before it would let you put it into gear. With no recourse available from AAM, we did some research and learned about Hill’s Garage in Elkridge, MD. I visited the shop a few times with my buddy and we spoke to Frank and Suzanne Hill who are good people. We explained to them our situation and they told us that there was something definitely wrong with my friend’s car. They also said that a lot of cheated AAM customers come to them to fix their now broken cars. Frank and Suzanne Hill were able to get my friend’s car into the shop quickly. They pulled the transmission and immediately notice the sub-par work performed by the techs at AAM. A bolt was just resting freely inside the transmission bell housing and many of the parts were not lubricated as they should have been. This is probably why the clutch felt extremely stiff to modulate from day 1 of AAM’s installation.
Hill’s garage was able to set up my friend’s car correctly with another Z1 clutch/flywheel kit and give the car back to him in a little under three weeks. A large part of the wait was because of waiting from parts from Z1 Motorsports to arrive and an issue with the carrier who damaged the first shipment of parts. The car drives really well now.

LESSONS LEARNED:

1. A shop will look for anyway to get out of warranting the work that they do on your car. Don’t give them that option by buying parts from one of their vendors directly and shipping it to their shop. They are still going to stay that you supplied the defective parts and look for an out.
2. Do your research concerning labor estimates for the type of work that is going to be performed on your car. This way you can tell if the shop is competent or trying to up-charge you, because they don’t know what they are doing or think you are an idiot.
3. Document everything in writing and with pictures or videos.
4. AVOID AAM COMPETITION. We did some research and found out that they having been jumping from one platform to the next since the 1990s. They have employed good techs who do a few good builds but then leave become of management’s shady practices of ripping off customers and up charging jobs. Once AAM is done with the Nissan/Infiniti community, they will move onto to something else with a new name and location.
5. Finally, post your experiences at different businesses whether they are positive or negative. This will help other consumers out there doing research before their next big project. It also forces businesses to remain competitive and have some accountability.

JARblue · 02-01-2017, 08:49 AM

I'm sorry to hear about you and your friend's troubles. But based on the way AAM runs their business (especially group buys and pre-orders), this kind of work does not surprise me in the least. Thirteen hours of labor is ridiculous for clutch and CSC replacement

FWIW, any decent shop should warranty their labor regardless of who provided the part.

Chuck33079 · 02-01-2017, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue

I'm sorry to hear about you and your friend's troubles. But based on the way AAM runs their business (especially group buys and pre-orders), this kind of work does not surprise me in the least. Thirteen hours of labor is ridiculous for clutch and CSC replacement

FWIW, any decent shop should warranty their labor regardless of who provided the part.

Yeah, this isn't the first time someone has had issues with AAM. Although, it's usually for their own shoddy parts, not their labor.

eastwest2300 · 02-01-2017, 09:04 AM

sorry to hear that OP..

Chuck33079 · 02-01-2017, 09:55 AM

It's really a shame this platform has such shitty vendors. GTM, EVO-R, AAM, Vivid/Agency Power/all their other brand names. I guess when it's a really small market you get a bunch of guys who are either dishonest or incompetent.

Jayhovah · 02-01-2017, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

It's really a shame this platform has such shitty vendors. GTM, EVO-R, AAM, Vivid/Agency Power/all their other brand names. I guess when it's a really small market you get a bunch of guys who are either dishonest or incompetent.

The ONLY thing I don't love about this forum (besides madeinjapan

just kidding....not really...but jk....or am i?) is the way vendors are handled. I'm sure Chuck is getting tired of my whining about it.

It's terrifying how much the RJ-Manufacturing/VSR/S&R/WhateverElse SC thread looks like the old GTM MHI TT Group Buy thread with all the excitement and leghumping over a vendor with a mostly sketchy history on this forum.

Chuck33079 · 02-01-2017, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayhovah

The ONLY thing I don't love about this forum (besides madeinjapan

just kidding....not really...but jk....or am i?)

Luckily, Trips banned his special needs ***. Hopefully it's permanent.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayhovah

is the way vendors are handled. I'm sure Chuck is getting tired of my whining about it.

Not tired of it at all. We need a better way of weeding out the worthless sacks of **** that prey on a captive market.

GaleForce · 02-01-2017, 04:49 PM

OP, sorry to read about your troubles.

RAMOS · 02-01-2017, 07:13 PM

OP, sorry to hear about your experience. I hope AAM sees this and makes it right. Good luck sir and thanks for the information.

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takjak2 · 02-02-2017, 01:49 PM

Sorry to hear you had a rough time with AAM. I can't endorse their labor in this situation, but at least the parts they manufacture are still acceptable.

I've done that install in my driveway in less time. If anyone in the Mid-A wants a shade-tree quote for things like this, always feel free to PM me. I'm not afraid to say "no" when I'm busy or it's something I don't want to do (cat demon bolts), but I can usually offer installs or replacement for 30-50% of your shop quote.

aniceh · 02-12-2017, 06:30 AM

I've heard good things about Hill's, and you may want to check out MA as well.

JARblue · 02-12-2017, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aniceh

I've heard good things about Hill's, and you may want to check out MA as well.

Where'd you come from, stranger?

jchammond · 02-12-2017, 08:15 AM

Can't speak for either of the shop's,but Z1 sell's a quality part & service...They also stand behind their product's.

and yes; if something isn't right..."Trips" will clothesline them off the top rope!

JARblue · 02-12-2017, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by takjak2

Sorry to hear you had a rough time with AAM. I can't endorse their labor in this situation, but at least the parts they manufacture are still acceptable.

I'm not so sure I'd trust their parts any more either ... just yesterday a forum member received his $2000 intake manifold with a hole in it

02-01-2017, 08:34 AM	#1 (permalink)
avantgti7 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 39 Drives: 09-370Z (SOLD) Rep Power: 14	Cannot Recommend AAM Competition Anymore THIS IS A LONG REVIEW BUT PLEASE READ IT IF YOU ARE A NISSAN/INFINITI OWNER AND ARE PLANNING TO TAKE YOUR CAR TO AAM FOR ANY KIND OF WORK. I am writing this review in conjunction with my friend. I own a Nissan 370Z and he owns an Infiniti G37S. When I purchased my car in 2010, I learned about AAM via a Google search when I was looking at cat-back exhausts. I really liked the way that the AAM true dual 2.5 inch exhaust sounded in an audio clip on AAM’s website. The exhaust was reasonably priced, easy to install with basic hand tools, and of good quality/craftsmanship. Nearly 6 years later, it is still installed on my car today and I have no complaints regarding the quality, fitment, craftsmanship, sound, etc. Based on my positive feedback, my friend also purchased the AAM short-tails exhaust not long after and had AAM install a cold air intake onto his car. Again, both of these aftermarket parts were reasonably priced compared to competitors, easy to install, and of good quality. These events all took place in the 2010-2013 time frame. Fast forward to December 2014, and the clutch on my friend’s G37S one day refused to come up from the floor. His concentric slave cylinder had failed and a local Nissan dealer immediately quoted him $2000+ for a new clutch. He however brought the car to AAM because of my recommendation and he thought that he would use this opportunity to upgrade his flywheel, clutch, etc. with stage 1 parts. We worked with Marken Smith at AAM who said that we could order the parts from Z1 Motorsports ourselves if we wanted. Marken said he was going to do the same thing himself anyway and just to make sure that the parts ship to the shop. We were never told that by purchasing the parts ourselves and having them shipped to the shop that AAM couldn’t warranty their work on the car. The parts that were installed on my friend’s G37S included the following: 1) Z1 Motorsports 370Z/G37 performance street clutch and flywheel combo kit with braided SS hydraulic clutch line 2) Z1 Motorsports concentric slave cylinder elimination kit with fluid The total for the parts including shipping was around $1,200. AAM quoted the following for labor: 1) AAM shop supplies = $100 2) AAM clutch/flywheel/concentric slave cylinder elimination kit = $1,391.00 or 13 hours of labor at $107/hr. AAM total labor quote with tax was $1,580. This quote ended up being closer to $2,000 for labor when the final bill settled because AAM said they ran into some difficulties with the install. Why was my friend up-charged on his bill because AAM didn’t know how to do their job? AAM said that they had never installed a concentric slave cylinder kit before and so it would require some extra time. Today, we know that a clutch/flywheel job on a Nissan 370Z/G37 shouldn’t take more than 5-6 hours. We were stupid and didn’t do the research at the time. We didn’t think to question the 8+ additional hours of labor to install the concentric slave cylinder elimination kit. After more than a month, my friend received his car back in mid-January 2015. The clutch pedal was extremely heavy to modulate. Again, we were stupid and didn’t do the research so we thought this was normal for a stage 1 clutch’s feel. Over the next few months in 2015, my friend brought the car back to AAM a few times because it wasn’t shifting right. It felt like the clutch wasn’t disengaging and engaging the gears correctly all the time. For example, sometimes the shifter would pop out of gear into neutral. The clutch fluid reservoir in the engine bay was also not holding fluid and would become low after a few days. On each visit back to AAM, they would make small adjustments or say that this was normal for the kit blaming it on the parts which we bought. They never took responsibility. Finally in 2016, my friend’s car got to a point where the clutch hydraulics started showing signs of problems and eventual failure. If the car was left sitting for a few days and you wanted to move it, you would have to let it warm up and pump the clutch 20-30 times before it would let you put it into gear. With no recourse available from AAM, we did some research and learned about Hill’s Garage in Elkridge, MD. I visited the shop a few times with my buddy and we spoke to Frank and Suzanne Hill who are good people. We explained to them our situation and they told us that there was something definitely wrong with my friend’s car. They also said that a lot of cheated AAM customers come to them to fix their now broken cars. Frank and Suzanne Hill were able to get my friend’s car into the shop quickly. They pulled the transmission and immediately notice the sub-par work performed by the techs at AAM. A bolt was just resting freely inside the transmission bell housing and many of the parts were not lubricated as they should have been. This is probably why the clutch felt extremely stiff to modulate from day 1 of AAM’s installation. Hill’s garage was able to set up my friend’s car correctly with another Z1 clutch/flywheel kit and give the car back to him in a little under three weeks. A large part of the wait was because of waiting from parts from Z1 Motorsports to arrive and an issue with the carrier who damaged the first shipment of parts. The car drives really well now. LESSONS LEARNED: 1. A shop will look for anyway to get out of warranting the work that they do on your car. Don’t give them that option by buying parts from one of their vendors directly and shipping it to their shop. They are still going to stay that you supplied the defective parts and look for an out. 2. Do your research concerning labor estimates for the type of work that is going to be performed on your car. This way you can tell if the shop is competent or trying to up-charge you, because they don’t know what they are doing or think you are an idiot. 3. Document everything in writing and with pictures or videos. 4. AVOID AAM COMPETITION. We did some research and found out that they having been jumping from one platform to the next since the 1990s. They have employed good techs who do a few good builds but then leave become of management’s shady practices of ripping off customers and up charging jobs. Once AAM is done with the Nissan/Infiniti community, they will move onto to something else with a new name and location. 5. Finally, post your experiences at different businesses whether they are positive or negative. This will help other consumers out there doing research before their next big project. It also forces businesses to remain competitive and have some accountability. __________________ My Rides: '09 Nissan 370Z Touring/Sport Package - AAM CBE '02 Suzuki SV650S - Delkevic Slip-On

02-01-2017, 08:49 AM	#2 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 43 Posts: 36,450 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684440	I'm sorry to hear about you and your friend's troubles. But based on the way AAM runs their business (especially group buys and pre-orders), this kind of work does not surprise me in the least. Thirteen hours of labor is ridiculous for clutch and CSC replacement FWIW, any decent shop should warranty their labor regardless of who provided the part. eastwest2300, Zbrah and Z Runner like this. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

02-01-2017, 09:04 AM	#4 (permalink)
eastwest2300 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: South FL Posts: 90,972 Drives: '16QX70/'21 Supra3.0 Rep Power: 2684550	sorry to hear that OP.. __________________ Infiniti QX70 & Toyota Supra 3.0 Premium

02-01-2017, 09:55 AM	#5 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	It's really a shame this platform has such shitty vendors. GTM, EVO-R, AAM, Vivid/Agency Power/all their other brand names. I guess when it's a really small market you get a bunch of guys who are either dishonest or incompetent. eastwest2300 likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

02-01-2017, 04:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
GaleForce A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 21,749 Drives: Varis Arising II Rep Power: 51865	OP, sorry to read about your troubles. __________________ >>>GaleForce's Build<<< >>>FaceBook @3GsCustoms<<<>>>Instagram @GaleForce370z<<< Varis Kamikaze-Z

02-01-2017, 07:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
RAMOS Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: South Carolina Posts: 251 Drives: '12 370Z Rep Power: 300	OP, sorry to hear about your experience. I hope AAM sees this and makes it right. Good luck sir and thanks for the information. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ BC Racing ll Stillen ll Tommy Kaira ll GT-R ll Akuma ll SPL *RAMOS' JOURNAL*

02-02-2017, 01:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
takjak2 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Sterling, VA Posts: 1,922 Drives: Legit Racecar 370Z Rep Power: 142	Sorry to hear you had a rough time with AAM. I can't endorse their labor in this situation, but at least the parts they manufacture are still acceptable. I've done that install in my driveway in less time. If anyone in the Mid-A wants a shade-tree quote for things like this, always feel free to PM me. I'm not afraid to say "no" when I'm busy or it's something I don't want to do (cat demon bolts), but I can usually offer installs or replacement for 30-50% of your shop quote. eastwest2300, JARblue, avantgti7 and 3 others like this. __________________ Mods \| Stuff \| Things \| Seat Time \| Nismo facebook.com/TeamSparrowSpeed

02-12-2017, 06:30 AM	#11 (permalink)
aniceh A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2012 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 7,216 Drives: '12 GM 7AT S/T Rep Power: 41	I've heard good things about Hill's, and you may want to check out MA as well.

02-12-2017, 08:15 AM	#13 (permalink)
jchammond A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Carolina Age: 58 Posts: 15,204 Drives: 13’ 370Z TS 7A/T Rep Power: 2684394	Can't speak for either of the shop's,but Z1 sell's a quality part & service...They also stand behind their product's. and yes; if something isn't right..."Trips" will clothesline them off the top rope! __________________ MazWorx built long block \| FI-TT-100 Stage 2.75 \| IPT built 7A/T http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...s-musings.html

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