K&N Typhoon question

darli328 · 09-01-2013, 12:46 PM

Has anyone tried using the K&N Typhoon intake pipes with the stock air box instead of the filters that come with it? I'm not sure if they would remotely fit or anything. Not sure if there would be any real benefit to this either. Just from my research short ram intakes or whatever you want to call them don't have any real gains and are prone to hear soak more so than the stock air boxes.

Felix 808 · 09-01-2013, 03:42 PM

It would be the same as running post MAF tubes but cost much more

Those filters aren't going to fit in the stock boxes without a lot of patch work

PaulZ370 · 09-01-2013, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by darli328

Has anyone tried using the K&N Typhoon intake pipes with the stock air box instead of the filters that come with it? I'm not sure if they would remotely fit or anything. Not sure if there would be any real benefit to this either. Just from my research short ram intakes or whatever you want to call them don't have any real gains and are prone to hear soak more so than the stock air boxes.

I have the short Ram Typhoon intakes on my Z. I've not put her on the track, but in both spirited driving and or just puttering around town on a date, in the middle of summer here in Louisiana where ambient temps tend to get in the mid nineties, I've not had a single issue with them. Response time is dramatically improved over stock airboxes with drop in K&N's, which I had prior to going to the Typhoons. They do have a barrier between them and the engine itself keeping them isolated from the heat, couple that with the fact that under driving conditions, heat is drawn towards the back of the engine and away from the intake area anyway, and one can see there should not be any, and there aren't any from experience, heat soak issues.

It seems to me that there is a lot of bad information floating around about these intakes. I read a lot of hearsay and conjecture from people who have other types of CAI's installed. I am very happy with mine, they have improved the performance of my Z (actual response as well as butt dyno) tremendously. One other added advantage to the Typhoons, is that they are tucked high into the engine bay, keeping them from sucking water in a rainstorm (where water puddling on the road and water splashing from passing vehicles in the opposing lane is a problem) and hydro-locking the engine such as the long tubes CAI's are prone to doing.

Now, everyone has their preferences, but I wanted to set the record straight on these intakes from someone who installed and used them now for close to two years. I would not install any other CAI, for the type of driving I do, on my Z.

megalapagas · 09-01-2013, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulZ370

I have the short Ram Typhoon intakes on my Z. I've not put her on the track, but in both spirited driving and or just puttering around town on a date, in the middle of summer here in Louisiana where ambient temps tend to get in the mid nineties, I've not had a single issue with them. Response time is dramatically improved over stock airboxes with drop in K&N's, which I had prior to going to the Typhoons. They do have a barrier between them and the engine itself keeping them isolated from the heat, couple that with the fact that under driving conditions, heat is drawn towards the back of the engine and away from the intake area anyway, and one can see there should not be any, and there aren't any from experience, heat soak issues.

It seems to me that there is a lot of bad information floating around about these intakes. I read a lot of hearsay and conjecture from people who have other types of CAI's installed. I am very happy with mine, they have improved the performance of my Z (actual response as well as butt dyno) tremendously. One other added advantage to the Typhoons, is that they are tucked high into the engine bay, keeping them from sucking water in a rainstorm (where water puddling on the road and water splashing from passing vehicles in the opposing lane is a problem) and hydro-locking the engine such as the long tubes CAI's are prone to doing.

Now, everyone has their preferences, but I wanted to set the record straight on these intakes from someone who installed and used them now for close to two years. I would not install any other CAI, for the type of driving I do, on my Z.

I agree with you on the reponssiveness with the K&N Typhoons but I live here in texas and they're horrible on my car. If I spirit drive meaning ( II'll go WOT mode because I'm late for work) my oil will reach 220(due to the fact I have a 34 row which is good) but my water temps start sky rocketing. I like K&N don't get me wrong but I decided to go with K&N drop ins and Z1s silicone post maf tubes. Its my experience and ofcourse opinion but to each their own

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Felix 808 · 09-02-2013, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by megalapagas

If I spirit drive meaning ( II'll go WOT mode because I'm late for work) my oil will reach 220(due to the fact I have a 34 row which is good) but my water temps start sky rocketing.

Megalapagas, get some water wetter to help with the high H2O temps.

luigi90210 · 09-02-2013, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by darli328

Has anyone tried using the K&N Typhoon intake pipes with the stock air box instead of the filters that come with it? I'm not sure if they would remotely fit or anything. Not sure if there would be any real benefit to this either. Just from my research short ram intakes or whatever you want to call them don't have any real gains and are prone to hear soak more so than the stock air boxes.

i have short rams with no heat sheilds unlike your K&N typhoons and i do not have any problems with heat soak unless im sitting in traffic and honestly im sitting in traffic, i could care less if im making 10 less whp over stock because there is no where you can use it

when i am driving, i am intaking air about 10-20F above ambient and that is exactly what the stock boxes intake

you will have gains though from the extra flow and i dont know what ID your intakes are but if they are bigger than 2.34in in the MAF section, you are definitely making more power over stock when moving because you are running leaner than stock

PaulZ370 · 09-03-2013, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by megalapagas

I agree with you on the reponssiveness with the K&N Typhoons but I live here in texas and they're horrible on my car. If I spirit drive meaning ( II'll go WOT mode because I'm late for work) my oil will reach 220(due to the fact I have a 34 row which is good) but my water temps start sky rocketing.

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I'm sorry - I'm not making the connection between intake air and water/oil temps...?

Vichtz · 09-03-2013, 10:01 PM

Im thinking of switching from my stillen Long tube intakes for the typhoons, so maybe I will have input later on. I am in the same boat as paul: is there a link between intake and water temps?

TreeSemdyZee · 09-04-2013, 12:24 AM

I'm with PaulZ370. I installed mine a little over a month ago and do feel better responsiveness plus they sound nasty under full throttle.

megalapagas · 09-04-2013, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulZ370

I'm sorry - I'm not making the connection between intake air and water/oil temps...?

To generalize it, Heat Soak.

PaulZ370 · 09-04-2013, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by megalapagas

To generalize it, Heat Soak.

Heat Soak while you are traveling at high speed? I can understand if you are sitting or traveling at very low speeds in traffic, but then, the effect is negligible as you are not trying to go WOT in traffic... Once you reach open highway, it may take a couple of minutes of high-er speeds to get rid of the trapped hot air under the hood.

Oil temps climb rapidly due to the way the oil sump pump and oil delivery system in the Z is designed. Very little oil stays in the sump during WOT (or spirited driving) and almost all of it is used in circulating through the engine for protection of the moving parts. I suggest you might want to upgrade your sump to a larger capacity pan to keep your oil temps cooler if that is what you are experiencing. Have you thought of doing that?

afterthought: Also, I've never seen my water temps fluctuate that much, if at all... you may want to consider checking your cooling system. Might be a leak somewhere. In a pressurized cooling system, temps should remain stable, but if you even have a pin hole leak somewhere, water will transition to steam (which is not good for heat absorption and conduction) and your temps will start 'skyrocketing' as you say.... I would definitely give your Z a good look under the hood. Something does not add up straight, and it's not the Typhoons...

TreeSemdyZee · 09-04-2013, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulZ370

Heat Soak while you are traveling at high speed? I can understand if you are sitting or traveling at very low speeds in traffic, but then, the effect is negligible as you are not trying to go WOT in traffic... Once you reach open highway, it may take a couple of minutes of high-er speeds to get rid of the trapped hot air under the hood.

Oil temps climb rapidly due to the way the oil sump pump and oil delivery system in the Z is designed. Very little oil stays in the sump during WOT (or spirited driving) and almost all of it is used in circulating through the engine for protection of the moving parts. I suggest you might want to upgrade your sump to a larger capacity pan to keep your oil temps cooler if that is what you are experiencing. Have you thought of doing that?

afterthought: Also, I've never seen my water temps fluctuate that much, if at all... you may want to consider checking your cooling system. Might be a leak somewhere. In a pressurized cooling system, temps should remain stable, but if you even have a pin hole leak somewhere, water will transition to steam (which is not good for heat absorption and conduction) and your temps will start 'skyrocketing' as you say.... I would definitely give your Z a good look under the hood. Something does not add up straight, and it's not the Typhoons...

Ditto

09-01-2013, 12:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
darli328 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Seattle Posts: 198 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 13	K&N Typhoon question Has anyone tried using the K&N Typhoon intake pipes with the stock air box instead of the filters that come with it? I'm not sure if they would remotely fit or anything. Not sure if there would be any real benefit to this either. Just from my research short ram intakes or whatever you want to call them don't have any real gains and are prone to hear soak more so than the stock air boxes.

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Felix 808 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Camarillo, CA Posts: 1,063 Drives: 2011 PW/Grey T/S 7AT Rep Power: 2807	It would be the same as running post MAF tubes but cost much more Those filters aren't going to fit in the stock boxes without a lot of patch work __________________ Semper Fi Μολὼν λαβέ

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Vichtz Track Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Unknown Posts: 538 Drives: PG 09 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 14	Im thinking of switching from my stillen Long tube intakes for the typhoons, so maybe I will have input later on. I am in the same boat as paul: is there a link between intake and water temps? __________________ очень быстро ... Stillen Gen 3 CAI// Stillen CBE// B&M SS with PWJDM Shift Knob// Custom OCC// Drilled/Slotted Rotors//Halo/painted Headlights// Under-hood dress up

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