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Originally Posted by Spaghetti999 Went for a hard 25 miles, 15 minute drive the other day Noticed my clutch fluid was in the middle before pulling out...ive seen the fluid

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Went for a hard 25 miles, 15 minute drive the other day
Noticed my clutch fluid was in the middle before pulling out...ive seen the fluid drop a year ago, and no problems since...so thought not much of it

25 miles later I arrive at my first stoplight...clutch pedal immediately engages right off the floor and does not come all the way up. I pull over, see clutch fluid is below the minimum level now. uh oh...
I fill it, and drive home just fine. Once home, same problem. Fluid is FULL after 25 mile drive back, BUT the pedal engages immediately and does not come all the way up again....

I checked the next 2 days and nothings changed, fluid full still. Cars been parked 2 weeks now, and pedal is fine now, and fluid is too. Only moved around driveway, have yet to road test....

Fluid has not been changed in my 2 year 26k mile ownership....it's dark.
Tried bleeding the fluid as a potential fix, the rusted bleeder valve broke off

How should I proceed? Is this correct order?
1. Bleed lines to see if problem is fixed
2. Change CMC if step 1 fails
3. Drop the trans..... if all else fails


130k mile car, previous owner changed CSC around 90k-100k mile mark when it left him stranded
If you are losing fluid, this is most likely the CMC.

The pedal dropping and not returning is likely the CSC.

When the previous owner changed the CSC, do you know if it was OEM or the kit from Z1/ZSpeed?

A lot of members will recommend the ZSpeed kit over Z1. Sounds like you need to replace both the CSC/CMC, as any other solutions could be temp./band-aid solutions.
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If you are losing fluid, this is most likely the CMC.

The pedal dropping and not returning is likely the CSC.

When the previous owner changed the CSC, do you know if it was OEM or the kit from Z1/ZSpeed?

A lot of members will recommend the ZSpeed kit over Z1. Sounds like you need to replace both the CSC/CMC, as any other solutions could be temp./band-aid solutions.
One thing I can mention is, the pedal returned maybe 1/3 of the way up, as opposed to being completely stuck to the ground. There was zero need to pull it up with my foot as CSC failures require.

I just test drove it, pedal functions perfectly fine. Drove it for 5 minutes, did notice a small drop in fluid. Should I just jump directly to swapping the CMC as a fluid flush alone likely wont fix anything?

Edit: I am clueless as to what the previous owner replaced the CSC with
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One thing I can mention is, the pedal returned maybe 1/3 of the way up, as opposed to being completely stuck to the ground. There was zero need to pull it up with my foot as CSC failures require.

I just test drove it, pedal functions perfectly fine. Drove it for 5 minutes, did notice a small drop in fluid. Should I just jump directly to swapping the CMC as a fluid flush alone likely wont fix anything?

Edit: I am clueless as to what the previous owner replaced the CSC with
If the pedal drops and doesn't return in any amount, this is not normal operations and likely the CSC going.

The fluid dropping is likely the CMC. Flushing it out may help it temporarily, but it won't make the problem go away.

Also, when the fluid drops, are you seeing fluid on the floor? If not, it's most likely making its way into the tranny bell housing, which in turn can get on the clutch and would need to be replaced also.

Check under the tranny. The aftermarket ZSpeed kit will have the fork mechanism on the outside of the tranny. I'm leaning towards that the CSC replaced was OEM, as the Z1/ZSpeed kit shouldn't go out after 30k miles.
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