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DEpointfive0 05-30-2014 10:04 AM

Can I shave the backspace of Volk CE28Ns?
 
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The original question was:

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2840129)
Hey guys.

Can I run 9.5x19 +22 with 275/35s up front if I'm at stock ride height?
The internet says that the setup is 40mm wider than stock, which means it ain't gonna fit without lots of camber, which is something I don't want to do




And I don't know why +22 is preferred, but that's what I got... Can I shave a few mm off the back of my CE28Ns? 3-5mm would be preferred.

cooltoy 05-30-2014 10:39 AM

Do you mean the mounting surface?

kenchan 05-30-2014 10:54 AM

id run ET38-43 if 19x9.5 at stock height on the front with 275/35/19's.

but if you do cut the disc, make sure the backspacing (spokes can clear the calipers).

DEpointfive0 05-30-2014 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 2840172)
Do you mean the mounting surface?

Yes, can I cut that down

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2840186)
id run ET38-43 if 19x9.5 at stock height on the front with 275/35/19's.

but if you do cut the disc, make sure the backspacing (spokes can clear the calipers).

I'd llike to run that too Kenchan, but I have what I have... I might consider adding camber to the front. Like 2.5 degrees or so, but nothing moronic like 3+


Considering some 10" +30 fronts, which is a bit better

Zbrah 05-30-2014 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2840525)
Yes, can I cut that down



I'd llike to run that too Kenchan, but I have what I have... I might consider adding camber to the front. Like 2.5 degrees or so, but nothing moronic like 3+


Considering some 10" +30 fronts, which is a bit better

Maybe time to sell those Volks and get better fitting wheels if you want that size tires and staying stock suspension and cambers.

DEpointfive0 05-30-2014 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 2840625)
Maybe time to sell those Volks and get better fitting wheels if you want that size tires and staying stock suspension and cambers.

Fuck you, LOOOOL


Realistically I'd run a bit more camber up front, but how much would I have to run to clear?

Liquid_G 05-30-2014 03:20 PM

I've always heard that -1 degree of camber = about 10mm at the top of the tire. What are your front camber settings now?

black_sedan 05-30-2014 04:30 PM

I have heard of a set being shaved. The limit is right about 5mm from what I'm told. Buddy of mine had a machine shop do it. Might also want to check how far the studs will stick out if you shave them

DavidZ370 05-30-2014 04:37 PM

Oh lord please don't butcher the wheels. Camber is your friend

kenchan 05-30-2014 04:45 PM

i guess my worry would be how structrually sound it is after removing metal from the disc. the lug taper area will be that much closer to the hub.. (thinner)..

at et22, even removing 5mm will only bring it to et27.... that's still 10mm away from ideal. :ugh:

id just get new wheels that fit correctly.

DEpointfive0 05-30-2014 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Liquid_G (Post 2840711)
I've always heard that -1 degree of camber = about 10mm at the top of the tire. What are your front camber settings now?

I can deal with that. And my camber is at whatever stock is

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2840853)
i guess my worry would be how structrually sound it is after removing metal from the disc. the lug taper area will be that much closer to the hub.. (thinner)..

at et22, even removing 5mm will only bring it to et27.... that's still 10mm away from ideal. :ugh:

id just get new wheels that fit correctly.

Considering they don't make CE28N's in 19" anymore... That's an impossibility. I'm looking at other Volks, I just don't understand why everyone dies for and thinks +22 and +12 is the best fitment. The best fitment for me is the one where you can get more tire under the wheel well.

LostSol 05-30-2014 05:12 PM

RE30s come in 19x10 +30 and 19x11 +25

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Zbrah 05-30-2014 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2840705)
Fuck you, LOOOOL


Realistically I'd run a bit more camber up front, but how much would I have to run to clear?

You're looking at more than -3, exactly how much only an alignment will bro. You will learn to that herraflush 4x4 look:excited:

chops 05-30-2014 06:57 PM

im running +24, and 265's. they rub ever so slightly only because im lowered a good inch and a half. 275's and +22 miiight work. try it :P

Z1NONLY 05-30-2014 07:13 PM

I wouldn't alter the wheels that way for two reasons:

The first is structural integrity. I saw the drum of a wheel break off at the spokes In Blytheville last year. (SCCA National Tour) The owner had issues with his brake calipers rubbing against the spokes of the wheels so he shaved the back of the spokes. I realize you are talking about a different part of the wheel, but I still wouldn't do it.

The second reason is that any inconsistency in the new surface could cause the wheel to not be perfectly "plumb". -Meaning the wheel might sit at a slight angle rather than parallel to the hub. Even if you are only off by a little, it could create a noticeable wobble.

cooltoy 05-30-2014 08:01 PM

Great answer. Didn't think of reason two.

Dajerseyrat 05-30-2014 08:55 PM

So you want to take metal away from the structure of the single most critical piece of your car keeping you from loosing a wheel and crashing? Sounds like a great idea...


:tiphat: Do it and let us know how it works out.:wtf2:

DEpointfive0 05-30-2014 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LostSol (Post 2840892)
RE30s come in 19x10 +30 and 19x11 +25

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That's what I'm looking at

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Originally Posted by Zbrah (Post 2840909)
You're looking at more than -3, exactly how much only an alignment will bro. You will learn to that herraflush 4x4 look:excited:

Fùck you again, LOOOL

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Originally Posted by chops (Post 2841022)
im running +24, and 265's. they rub ever so slightly only because im lowered a good inch and a half. 275's and +22 miiight work. try it :P

Damn...

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Originally Posted by Dajerseyrat (Post 2841119)
So you want to take metal away from the structure of the single most critical piece of your car keeping you from loosing a wheel and crashing? Sounds like a great idea...


:tiphat: Do it and let us know how it works out.:wtf2:

I don't mean to sound like a complete áss, but it's funny how we all become engineers at these times.

Shaving material from that part of the wheel to increase the + offset is something that has been done safely for years on many cars. Just can't take too much off.

DEpointfive0 05-30-2014 10:14 PM

Let's SAY, I lower the car on swifts... Can I run the damn 275's? :)

CarbonFZ 05-30-2014 11:00 PM

It's fine but I think you can't do more than a few mm

Dajerseyrat 05-31-2014 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2841167)


I don't mean to sound like a complete áss, but it's funny how we all become engineers at these times.

Shaving material from that part of the wheel to increase the + offset is something that has been done safely for years on many cars. Just can't take too much off.

It doesnt take an engineering degree to realize that any time you remove material from a structure, you weaken it to a degree.

How are you shaving these? a machine shop I assume? Cause that is the only correct way to do it. By the time you pay a machine shop to set up their machines and shave 3 mm you might as well have sold these and bought new ones..

If it were me, I personally wouldnt do it.

kenchan 05-31-2014 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2840871)

Considering they don't make CE28N's in 19" anymore... That's an impossibility. I'm looking at other Volks, I just don't understand why everyone dies for and thinks +22 and +12 is the best fitment. The best fitment for me is the one where you can get more tire under the wheel well.

that's because most of the vendors are selling the 350Z wheel offsets for the 370Z which are different. ive been saying this from the beginning... :ugh:

DEpointfive0 05-31-2014 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dajerseyrat (Post 2841519)
It doesnt take an engineering degree to realize that any time you remove material from a structure, you weaken it to a degree.

How are you shaving these? a machine shop I assume? Cause that is the only correct way to do it. By the time you pay a machine shop to set up their machines and shave 3 mm you might as well have sold these and bought new ones..

If it were me, I personally wouldnt do it.

LOOOOOOL, you know the wheels are machined at the factory right? There are tolerances, and Rays/Volk likes making a "face" then add/take size from the hub area, so there has to be an amount that is 100% ok to take off. If Rays said the grade of their aluminum used I'd ask one of the engineers at work to work it out and tell me what is safe/acceptable

Machine shop, obviously. Cost? LOL, free, got myself a machine shop at work.
And considering CE28Ns in 19" are discontinued, it's kind of a bitch to find another set. Otherwise I would another set in a heartbeat

DEpointfive0 05-31-2014 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2841980)
that's because most of the vendors are selling the 350Z wheel offsets for the 370Z which are different. ive been saying this from the beginning... :ugh:

:tiphat:

I'm gonna order wheels in sacrilege 10"+35 and 11"+35

I think that's about the best fitment if I want stagger, lol. Or do 10.5 in the rear, which leaves me a bit of stagger to fit a tad bigger tires


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