Help: Tire recommendations for new 19x10.5" square for DD use and tire rotation
 

Hey there guys - just recently put an order in for a new set of wheels for DD'ing. It's going to be a 19x10.5" +30 square setup. I'll be running a 20mm Non Stud Replacement spacer in the rear until i can find the time to put new arp studs in. I am ordering swift springs this week and possibly new front camber arms pending the alignment check. With my new square setup I would like to rotate my tires to assist with retaining tread life where possible. I drive a little fancy sometimes, weather permitting. I will spend the majority of the time on street with maybe a few autocrosses in the year.

I would LIKE to run something like a 285/35/19 on all 4 to keep the "meatier" look. So far i've read great things about Michelin Pilot Super Sports and Bridgestone RE11s.

I am bit worried i might rub a bit though. Does tire height or lowering the car affect likeliness to rub?

Anyways, any help and suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

isn't that the stretched look, not the meaty look?

I guess i used the incorrect word, i meant NOT thin tire. lol, i am a bit new to the car vocabulary

Although, this NISMO on 10.5 square running 275/35/19 looks pretty "squared up?" to me? Im guessing different tires look more flat than others?

http://www.advanwheels.com.au/media/...D08a.15619.jpg

you mean the sidewall?

Yes - i would like to keep a decently thick sidewall

I'm running 245 front and 285 rear and I love the look. I have 20x9 front 20x10.5 rear. I wouldn't do spacers until the wheels arrive and the tire size determined. Without the understanding of what you have and the look, your going out on a limb with ordering the spacers so soon.

Never seen the same size tire on all 4 corners on a Z so it'll be interesting to see how it comes out.

I wouldn't do 285 on a 10.5 but that's just me. In fact a member of our car club just posted this pic and asked "this doesn't look right does it?" We all agreed no, it doesn't. To much stretch and I'd be scared of blowing the tire off the bead. I say if you're going to do wheels and tires do it right. In my eyes that's at least 10% over the wheel, yet not above 20%. That puts you at a 295 at least, I like 305 however.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...psd8104f7c.jpg

Looks good to me:happydance:

Do you know what kind of tire that is by any chance? I know brands can run wide or narrow sometimes.

what are you smoking? can i have some? the nismo comes stock with 285/35 on a 10.5 rim...

anyway, that pic doesnt look right. 285 should fit MORE than fine on a 10.5 rim. in fact...stock sport wheels are 275 on a 10.5 rim. that rim must be 11" wide, or hes not running 285.

OP: if you have a nismo (which it looks like you do), depending on your suspension, i would not go 285 on the front wheels. im running 265/35 on the fronts and lowered about an inch from stock all around. i rub on dips, whereas i didnt used to rub ever on the stock 245/40 front. our nismo bumper unfortunately doesnt allow as wide of tires as the non-nismo guys.

What are you lowered with if you dont mind me asking?


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No I don't and yes that's true.

im on KW V3's. i used to be pretty low, but after hitting the track i had to raise it quite a bit. id say im about an inch lower than stock now. before my new 265/35 up front, i had absolutely no issues with my ride height and rubbing. if you're stock, suspension wise, you can probably get away with 285's squared and no rubbing, but no guarantees :tiphat:

otherwise, your nismo bumper will start to look like mine:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...u3i/asfsas.jpg

Lol and the car has -0 front camber and -2 rear. Doesn't mean nissans always right :tup:. I prefer more meat and wheel protection is all. And like I showed in the pic the tire can be not ideal.

The stock sport wheels are not 10.5, they're 10. And a 275 on a 10" wheels within my 10% ;). I'll find the tire out but I don't think he's dumb. He knows its a 285/35/19 tire.

Ouch on the bumper! I guess the only way ill know is if i try it out. The few guys i had been speaking to run a 285/305 setups on their nismos with swift springs and look like they were a little luckier. Did most of the bumper deformation get like that when you were a much lower than you are now?


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it was unfortunately. goodluck with your setup! would love to know how it works out for ya :tiphat:

Do you think rolling fenders/liner modification would have helped your situation a lot more had you been more aware?

Im still really new to this but, Does height of the tire/sidewall affect rubbing too?

Also fyi, i really appreciate all this advice you have been giving.


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I've ran a 255/35/19 front, 295/30/19 rear setup for some time, and it never rubbed. (I was dropped on KWv3's at the time 1" all around. When I went to 265/35 up front they did rub in tight corners or on bumps mostly. So I raised the fronts a bit and that stopped.

On the stock sport 10" wheel, not a 10.5", that's only on the nismo's a 285/35 will be fine if you're going square. If you're doing a front/rear staggered setup, I'd recommend 265/35 front, 285/30 rear. That's what I'll probably going to for my next set as the price of PSS' is a big chunk, and PSS is discontinuing the 265/35 size.

I'll be looking into the Bridgestone Potenza S-04 Pole Position in a 265/35, 285/30 setup for my next run. It always scores #2 on TR after the PSS.


If you're considering the RE-11's, I would shy away from them as a DD tire personally. They do not have the colder grip that the PSS' do, and no where near the lifespan. RE-11's are great for tracking, but not the best for DDing. That's where I think the S-04 would be a good option for you to look into as well. Being close to the PSS in performance, but for $400 less. :icon17:

I was told the S04's run narrow so that's good for the stretched look i'd imagine. Is there a benefit to less sidewall going with a 285/30 over a 285/35?

It will fit with no rubbing. :icon17:

And you retain the OEM outer diameter so your speedo will be accurate.

I got nothing but good things to say about the Bridgestone re-760's. I have them on my street 19's. I think they look pretty bad *** and they are fine for a track day(although I have separate wheels/tires for that). You will save some bread vs the re-11s which imo are a complete waste of money for street use. You never use 60% of what an RE-11 is capable of just street driving.

Agreed... I have a 275 on a 10.5 wide rim right now and you definitely don't see too much stretch at ALL. 285 can only be better than that, unless it really depends on the tire as well.

Do you have a pic by any chance? What tire brand are you running? I'm starting to learn toward a 275/35/19 on front and rears in Pilot Super Sports since they run a little wider and tirerack states it will fit/look similar to my 285/35/19 in advan sports

That's just retarded.

Wish I had better pictures, but here they are... Enkei PF01 18x10.5 with Toyo R888 275/40r18 square.

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/...ps37662dd3.jpg

http://i1091.photobucket.com/albums/...psab7aba61.jpg

*edit* Syno, go away. Nobody likes you, nor your input on anything.

Love it!!! I especially love that tire tread.

Now for the billion questions... Lol

What offsets are you runnin? Camber? Are you lowered? Did you have to do any fender modding/do you rub?

Phew....


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Lol want some cheese with that wine cry baby?

Those look ******* horrible! Tires aren't supposed to look like round balls! Stop telling people to do this crap. That tires recommended to mount to a 9.5" wheel. Mod right or not at all!

PS want to compare likes and rep? Yeah thought not.

+38 front +15 rear. Camber is -2.5 front -1.5 rear, lowered on eibach springs. No fender modification. These pics were when I also was running a 10mm spacer on the front but I don't think it's necessary for sport brake clearance.

Syno, I could care less how many likes you have. I'm simply answering the questions they've asked. Never said it may be optimal or not but the times I've run the car on the track it felt great. I'm no expert but this isn't terribly wrong and I will probably go with a wider tire in the future. If it bothers you THAT much then :gtfo2:

I don't see why it doesn't look good :ughdance:

He has more reps and likes Shaun. If you don't agree with him you're just as retarded as I am.

But anyways, 19" definitely gives you some better tire size options I think. The 18's I went with needed that odd size 40 aspect ratio to keep the rolling diameter/ride height closest to stock.

Oh well nice looking setup :tup:

You're answering the question with ignorance! I don't care if its worked for you or if you like it. You running that thin of a tire on that thick of a wheel is like playing Russian Roulette. You wouldn't tell a member to turbo the car and run 20psi with stock injectors and he doesn't need a tune would you? You wouldn't start telling people the torque spec of the lugs is 5ft/lbs would you? I don't care how it looks (looks retarded always), you need to give warning that's it's not recommended and possibly unsafe. There are a ton of newbs here who buy into **** that don't understand jack. Like I said, do it right or not at all. That's how I feel, live with it.

I definitely agree with the idea that a lot of people speak rubbish online and its our duty to try to sift with best of our judgements, using personal experience and basic physics even. At the end of the day, I value personal real unbiased experience over most people's "theoretical" experience, with one disclaimer: theres always those people that rarely say their stuff sucks because they bought it. I am not im the market for "best bangs for the buck". Buying this Z was a niche market choice and i believe we owe it to ourselves to value whats truly value added over whats a good deal.


However i think the examples of 5ft/lbs of torque are a little extreme. I agree, gear suggestions should always be followed with an explanation (helps noobs like me learn!).

In agreement with the above, I do know for the majority of options that a lot of street tires and ESPECIALLY most all season tires would be unadvisable with a 275/35/19 on a 10.5" width tire.

In agreement with the other person (again i really appreciate the pictures and feedback).I do know from personal experience at the tracks ive been to that a lot of sticky track tires and specifically some michelin tires and the yokohama neovas run especially wide and arent as stretched. My guess is because they are built with a much harder shoulder and sidewall.

For reference purposes my 285/35/19 in advan sport is a ~10.2" tread width on a 10.5" but an advan neova in 275/35/19 is a ~10.6". Another good example is my coworkers e55 amg. His 265/35 pilot cups ran wider than his new 285/35 hankook v12s.



Again i am not discrediting either statement. I am eternally grateful for feedback from both of you guys because it helps me see BOTH sides of the equation. Happy tuesday and keep the suggestions coming! :)


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[Said in the voice of the most interesting man in the world:]

I don't always agree with SynoLimit, but when I do, it's on issues of safety.

Running your tires this way delves a wee too bit much into ricer turf for me.

Besides, why waste your money on a tire you will never use 20% of. This tire is designed to operate at 165-200 degrees on a race track. For one, it's a complete waste of money.

Secondly, R-888's are not even really safe for street driving especially once it drops below 50 degrees. They are a frigging r-compound race tire that is legal to drive on the street to a track simply because it has some grooves to vent water.

I understand style and taste differences, people hate my plasti dipped hood-bra. But it is functional and I like the way it looks personally. I won't comment on the super stretched look but I don't personally like. The difference though is that your tire can explode and kill you. My plastidip-bra is just going to piss off my friend martin82 at the race track.

There are other good looking tires that fit whomever's wheel correctly. Buy those ones instead.

Who said the r888s were for street driving? They're for track days I do here and there. Otherwise I use the stock rays (or another car) year round. And they are absolutely not super stretched. Using the ideal tire/rim width calculator (Car Bibles : The Wheel and Tyre Bible Page 4 of 4) the 275/40r18 can go on anywhere from a 9-10.5in rim. Not saying 10.5 is a perfect size but it's not stretching a 255 onto an 11in rim. Still feel as if you're blowing it out of proportion.

You guys would kill me for having a 255 on a 10.5 wheel, lol.

That was on my Genesis Coupe. I won't be replicating that, since I've got a Magma Red Z I have to stick to a more classy look. Although I wish I could do a little tuner style with it.

As for safety, honestly guys unless you're driving the car around corners way above the speed limits running a stretched tire is not a concern for street use if it's nothing to outlandish. As for the track you must run the correct tire width or it will lower your lap times. By the same token too wide is also detrimental.

I thought for some reason you had 10.5 front. And TY for telling me they are track day tires. Personally I really like the way your car looks. What kind of setup do you have?

I want to say.... That he has the same or similar wheel setup to martin's with slightly different offsets. I may be wrong though. It is a 10.5" front from my understanding. Martin is one of the main guys that actually inspired me and helped me pick my 19x10.5"+30 square setup.


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I ran a 245 on a 9 inch rim vs 8 inch and it was faster, better turn in, maximizes tire contact patch. I raced with this setup for over a year, many autox racers stretch tires.

I do have 10.5" in the front and want to go with a wider tire setup in the future. I did shortchange the size a bit but it still felt great on the track and from the wear on the tire it looks as if I've maximized the contact patch just fine. Again I am NOT saying this is ideal or that everyone should run this but simply that this is MY experience with MY setup thus far. The biggest difference I've noticed is that with the wider front tire vs the stock 245 the turn in is fantastic. Felt like I had to fight it a bit when I was autocrossing on the RE050's.