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Technically, anti-seize does change things for torque values. I have no idea how much in this particular case, but when you look at specs for *big* nuts (1"+) with torque specs, they're very specific about the conditions under which torque values are measured, and lubrication makes a difference. Even so, I'm not saying the anti-seize will make the nut come loose - it just may change the appropriate torque-wrench measurement value by some small amount.
On the nuts: I've used a few sets of the Muteki on this car (open-ended short ones on extended studs) without any issues, and they've stayed on and unbroken through lots and lots of tire/wheel/brake changes and track weekends. They do seem a little cheaper and thinner than some others (e.g. the Z1 ones, which I've also used successfully and seem a bit more stout), but in my experience they're not unreliable. Then again, I'm also pretty proactive about throwing new studs + lugs on the car about once a year just in case given how often I dismount+remount wheels on this car. |
For most fasteners. There is a dry torque spec. and a wet torque spec. The honda common service manual for motorcycles has a excellent chapter on it. ;)
As for using anti-seize on lug nut threads. Use it. It won't hurt. If the nuts are torqued. They won't come off. Just remember to check the lug nuts after about a 100 miles after having installed the tires back on the car. ;) |
Not sure how you can have such an informative thread then not mention why you wouldn't run Muteki's? Their steel line is more than capable and I have been running them for 2 years without issue as have several others
You should also add McGard and Gorilla lug nuts to your thread, plenty of people run either and are a good option instead of paying $200 on a set of JDM lugs that don't offer you anyting else more than a fashion statement You should also mention that the maxium torque spec for our lugs is 80 ft/lb and a torque wrench should always be used |
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I always do 80 and then I check them again after 100 miles or so of driving
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for steel lugs i do 85, but for aluminum ones 80.
i check after driving a few miles. then re-torque however many times as needed. usually 2-3 times, but sometimes could take as much as 5-6 re-torques. no wonder dealers zip it up with their impacts to like 100lbs. :icon14: |
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Even if the difference was enough to matter, how does that warrant an unequivocal "DO NOT put anti-sieze on your lug nuts." (not to mention the big font)? At most, you just adjust your torque setting. |
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I don't even think it makes a difference between 80 and 85, both do the job effectively to tighten the lugs down correctly
Maybe if you go in the 100's but 80 or 85 makes no real difference between the two |
80 or 85. That's splittin' hairs. LOL
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its crazy how you guys talk torque numbers like that. all these years all i have been using is these 16inch pythons arms of mine lol. havent had any issue in the last 10 to 12years
to the op: would still like to know why to not use muteki?? i just bought a set and currently running them for a couple of hundred miles now, seems pretty good quality to me |
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aluminum ones break if overtorqued. they are very fragile vs steel lugs. |
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