Ideal Dragon Carvers?

Pheonix · 05-20-2013, 10:34 AM

Hey guys and girls, I need some input so I'm hoping to come to some consensus here from ya'll. I just got back from ZDayZ and here's my situation. Prior to my leaving (a 400+ mile trip) my tires (Hankook Ventus V12 Evos), front and rear, were both in excellent condition. Upon arrival they were still very much in great condition.

We did a lot of driving and the tires handled everything masterfully without much wear, though clearly the turns did begin to dig in...but it wasn't until I hit the Dragon that things got bad.

We got back and the insides of both rear tires were basically gone. I saw another car that had V12s that had been on the Dragon and his tires were still nearly pristine.

Now I grant you, I don't know how new his tires were or how aggressively he drove it; but I can tell you that I went light the first time as I was new to it...and tested the car near it's limits (which it handled with precision, flair and confidence) on the run back.

My friend suggested that I have camber realigned down about 1 negative degree when I get my new tires, but I'm not sure that could be the cause of so much erosion.

So all that being said, has anyone else had any similar experiences with these tires, can recommend any others more capable of better handling aggressive driving on hard corners, or any other input?

Thanks in advance! I intend on doing this again next year and I want to be better prepared so I can get more runs in.

DarkJak · 05-20-2013, 10:48 AM

I haven't V12's but I've done a lot of hard driving on the Dragon and similar roads on the stock Potenzas and the Pilot Super Sports. Potenzas lasted me from 7500-12000 miles on the odo and the pilots have been holding up from then onto 17000 miles very well. I keep reading about how the V12s arent really good for hard driving despite being good for the price. The PSS have been rated to have pretty good wear on the track.

I do think a lot of it has to do with camber though. Getting it near factory settings should result in pretty even wear during aggressive driving.

kenchan · 05-20-2013, 11:31 AM

the two tires people are going for right now are pilot super sports and S04's.

RE11's... im not sure if they are discontinued or not in our size...

fuct · 05-20-2013, 12:05 PM

i bet your toe is off in the back. toe eats up tire MUCH more than too much neg camber.

Pheonix · 05-20-2013, 12:07 PM

Alright, thanks guys

djtodd · 05-20-2013, 01:00 PM

agreed on checking the toe.

As for tires. Most of my positive experiences have been with r888s and re11s (i think they just came out with a "new" re11). PSS is always a good option of course

kenchan · 05-20-2013, 02:06 PM

from wat i see, the RE11A's (new) do not come in our 19" size if that's wat you're referring to. tirerack has not gotten back to me on a yes/no if RE11's were discontinued in our size.

chrischhorn · 05-20-2013, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan

from wat i see, the RE11A's (new) do not come in our 19" size if that's wat you're referring to. tirerack has not gotten back to me on a yes/no if RE11's were discontinued in our size.

They aren't. I just ordered a set for a member here at Costco for his 350z thats running on 370z Sport wheels. Re-11's will not be discontinued unless the RE-11a is made in that size to replace it.

Pheonix · 05-20-2013, 06:16 PM

I'll have my shop check the toe as well as the camber, and make sure everything is up to spec. Seeing as how I'm home for the next year I'll stick with the Hankooks since they've proven to perform admirably for my needs here, and the price is hart to beat...and I'll order a set of the PSS (since I keep reading about people raving over them) in time for next year's event. Thanks!

05-20-2013, 10:34 AM	#1 (permalink)
Pheonix Track Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Memphis Posts: 626 Drives: Black 370 6MT Rep Power: 17	Ideal Dragon Carvers? Hey guys and girls, I need some input so I'm hoping to come to some consensus here from ya'll. I just got back from ZDayZ and here's my situation. Prior to my leaving (a 400+ mile trip) my tires (Hankook Ventus V12 Evos), front and rear, were both in excellent condition. Upon arrival they were still very much in great condition. We did a lot of driving and the tires handled everything masterfully without much wear, though clearly the turns did begin to dig in...but it wasn't until I hit the Dragon that things got bad. We got back and the insides of both rear tires were basically gone. I saw another car that had V12s that had been on the Dragon and his tires were still nearly pristine. Now I grant you, I don't know how new his tires were or how aggressively he drove it; but I can tell you that I went light the first time as I was new to it...and tested the car near it's limits (which it handled with precision, flair and confidence) on the run back. My friend suggested that I have camber realigned down about 1 negative degree when I get my new tires, but I'm not sure that could be the cause of so much erosion. So all that being said, has anyone else had any similar experiences with these tires, can recommend any others more capable of better handling aggressive driving on hard corners, or any other input? Thanks in advance! I intend on doing this again next year and I want to be better prepared so I can get more runs in. __________________ "The line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Last edited by Pheonix; 05-20-2013 at 12:06 PM.

05-20-2013, 10:48 AM	#2 (permalink)
DarkJak A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 1,397 Drives: 2009 370Z Rep Power: 16804	I haven't V12's but I've done a lot of hard driving on the Dragon and similar roads on the stock Potenzas and the Pilot Super Sports. Potenzas lasted me from 7500-12000 miles on the odo and the pilots have been holding up from then onto 17000 miles very well. I keep reading about how the V12s arent really good for hard driving despite being good for the price. The PSS have been rated to have pretty good wear on the track. I do think a lot of it has to do with camber though. Getting it near factory settings should result in pretty even wear during aggressive driving. __________________ @stupidtoycars \| My track vids 09 7AT\|MCS 2WNR\|Topgunz Rotrex\|Ecutek (Eugene)\|Maxxis RC1\|Titan-7 TS-5\|OSG LSD\|Rear Mount Derale Oil Cooler (WIP)+25 Trans Cooler\|Fismo\|G-LOC R12/R10\|Zeta III L\|NLR Wing and Splitter\|CJM Pan and Fuel Hat\|Radium Surge Tank\|AP Racing CP9668

05-20-2013, 12:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
Pheonix Track Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Memphis Posts: 626 Drives: Black 370 6MT Rep Power: 17	Alright, thanks guys __________________ "The line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

05-20-2013, 06:16 PM	#9 (permalink)
Pheonix Track Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Memphis Posts: 626 Drives: Black 370 6MT Rep Power: 17	I'll have my shop check the toe as well as the camber, and make sure everything is up to spec. Seeing as how I'm home for the next year I'll stick with the Hankooks since they've proven to perform admirably for my needs here, and the price is hart to beat...and I'll order a set of the PSS (since I keep reading about people raving over them) in time for next year's event. Thanks! __________________ "The line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

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05-20-2013, 11:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	the two tires people are going for right now are pilot super sports and S04's. RE11's... im not sure if they are discontinued or not in our size...

05-20-2013, 12:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
fuct A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sugar Land Posts: 3,692 Drives: 97' Ranger :) Rep Power: 24	i bet your toe is off in the back. toe eats up tire MUCH more than too much neg camber.

05-20-2013, 01:00 PM	#6 (permalink)
djtodd Track Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 932 Drives: 2012 Nismo TT Rep Power: 3398	agreed on checking the toe. As for tires. Most of my positive experiences have been with r888s and re11s (i think they just came out with a "new" re11). PSS is always a good option of course

05-20-2013, 02:06 PM	#7 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	from wat i see, the RE11A's (new) do not come in our 19" size if that's wat you're referring to. tirerack has not gotten back to me on a yes/no if RE11's were discontinued in our size.