There must be something wrong with me...No digging the Pilot super sports...

Joepro · 05-05-2013, 08:35 PM

There have been countless tests(assuming the fault is ME and poor size decision not the tires) that prove the PSS is the benchmark performance tire, unless Michelin is paying them all. Tread life warranty is a marketing tool, it keeps you in that brand of tires, Michelin is smart to do this, and its 30k, and they cut that in half for staggard tires, so it is really 15k

chrischhorn · 05-05-2013, 08:41 PM

LOL @ Invo's outperforming PSS's. The tire world isn't what it used to be thinking that just because the PSS's have a mileage warranty that they cant perform with the best of them? Thats just stupid logic. Michelin is the top tire manufacturer in the WORLD and has some of the most expensive tires you can buy. For the right price, you can build the best of both worlds which Michelin did. Just have to say I literally LOL'd again at the thought of Invo's outperforming PSS's.

m4a1mustang · 05-05-2013, 08:43 PM

Yeah the PSS will walk all over Invos, which are a pretty lousy performance tire by today's standards. Marginally better than the Hankook V12.

kenchan · 05-05-2013, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 122554

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with most of you. Michelin tires are not a true performance tire. If they're advertising 40K miles, that's not a performance tire. You have to make a choice. Performance or tire life. I'm running Nitto Invo's.

Joepro · 05-05-2013, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Hankook V12.

made that mistake on my 350z....

UFreefer · 05-05-2013, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 122554

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with most of you. Michelin tires are not a true performance tire. If they're advertising 40K miles, that's not a performance tire. You have to make a choice. Performance or tire life. I'm running Nitto Invo's. I really don't expect to get more than 15K miles out of them.

LOL. The SS was specifically designed for the 458 italia...I'd consider that a high performance car. It's the favorite tire for many R8, Mseries, corvette and 911 drivers. It's an amazing tire and can't wait to get my set mounted on the volks.

DarkJak · 05-06-2013, 02:12 AM

The supersports are definitely a performance tire, just not a track compound.

They're also known to have softer sidewalls. It's why they weigh less than other tires by a few lbs I think. I'm guessing it's the combination of running a bit oversized, your driving style, plus sensitivity to feeling the wobbling. Does the tire lose grip when that happens?

Joepro · 05-06-2013, 10:46 AM

No does not loose grip at all, its just annoyinghaving to learn to drive the tires so to speak, I know they are not going to slide or break loose, its just an unconfortable feeling for me. I have made the decision if I can sell them local I will switch, if not, I will live with it, maybe its a blessing in disguise, it will slow me down a bit

m4a1mustang · 05-06-2013, 10:49 AM

Not sure if it's been mentioned or not, but new tires almost always feel softer because you're going from no tread to full tread.

red6spd · 05-06-2013, 11:03 AM

That comment about the PSS not being a true performance tire should get that member banned LOL. I have put several thousand miles on my PSS and I love them. I'm running 255/295 and have never had any issues. Having longer thread life is just a plus for me.

fuct · 05-06-2013, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

Fair enough sir! I was just a bit confused, got it now!

I wish they made a 285/35 for the rear, just to get a BIT wider, but not wide enough to have they problem you're having

EDIT: I hope they swap them out for you, but I'd lie and say your wheels are wider? And say look, I'm going to buy narrower wheels that's why I want narrower tires or something.
Because they won't like that you didn't use stock tire sizes

am i missing something here?

Tire Details - Discount Tire

they sell a 285/35/19 in the Michelin's

Joepro · 05-06-2013, 06:20 PM

I just checked tire rack, they have them listed now too but do not have them...hmmm really mucked up haha. I got a standard repsonse, "The size has nothing to do with how the tire handles its all about the compound on the tire and it will make no difference if I trade sizes"...oh well.

cossie1600 · 05-06-2013, 06:47 PM

My Hoosiers feel like crap compare to my RE11, yet it is a lot stickier. Sometimes you just have to deal with it.

kenchan · 05-06-2013, 06:59 PM

tirerack: they do have pss in 285/35/19.

Front: 245/40ZR19
Sidewall Style: Blackwall
Serv. Desc: (98Y)
Load Range: XL
UTQG: 300 AA APrice: $278.00 (each)
Estimated Availability: In Stock
Estimated Arrival: Get EstimateQty:
Optional Road Hazard Program: Add $24.56 per tire

Rear: 285/35ZR19
Sidewall Style: Blackwall
Serv. Desc: (103Y)
Load Range: XL
UTQG: Pending

Joepro · 05-07-2013, 11:25 AM

just heard from tire rack, they are willing to swap them, I have to front the bill for the new ones up front, then they will reimburse me.

05-05-2013, 08:35 PM	#16 (permalink)
Joepro A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Athens ohio Posts: 1,213 Drives: Company car Rep Power: 34	There have been countless tests(assuming the fault is ME and poor size decision not the tires) that prove the PSS is the benchmark performance tire, unless Michelin is paying them all. Tread life warranty is a marketing tool, it keeps you in that brand of tires, Michelin is smart to do this, and its 30k, and they cut that in half for staggard tires, so it is really 15k __________________ Swift\|Koni\|SPC\| FI CBE\|Z1\|Stillen\|Sbend\|Zspeed\|R/T Tuned\|523 whp\|458 tq\|10.5 psi\|SOLD Joepro's Journal\|Joepro's Boosted Performance Build \|Pittsburgh-Western-Pa-Ohio-Wv-Group

05-05-2013, 08:41 PM	#17 (permalink)
chrischhorn A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Mililani, HI Posts: 1,566 Drives: 2014 Juke Nismo RS Rep Power: 16	LOL @ Invo's outperforming PSS's. The tire world isn't what it used to be thinking that just because the PSS's have a mileage warranty that they cant perform with the best of them? Thats just stupid logic. Michelin is the top tire manufacturer in the WORLD and has some of the most expensive tires you can buy. For the right price, you can build the best of both worlds which Michelin did. Just have to say I literally LOL'd again at the thought of Invo's outperforming PSS's. __________________ R.I.P. 8/01/13 1SlowZ One day I'll have another....

05-05-2013, 08:43 PM	#18 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Yeah the PSS will walk all over Invos, which are a pretty lousy performance tire by today's standards. Marginally better than the Hankook V12. Masa and chrischhorn like this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

05-06-2013, 02:12 AM	#22 (permalink)
DarkJak A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 1,397 Drives: 2009 370Z Rep Power: 16804	The supersports are definitely a performance tire, just not a track compound. They're also known to have softer sidewalls. It's why they weigh less than other tires by a few lbs I think. I'm guessing it's the combination of running a bit oversized, your driving style, plus sensitivity to feeling the wobbling. Does the tire lose grip when that happens? __________________ @stupidtoycars \| My track vids 09 7AT\|MCS 2WNR\|Topgunz Rotrex\|Ecutek (Eugene)\|Maxxis RC1\|Titan-7 TS-5\|OSG LSD\|Rear Mount Derale Oil Cooler (WIP)+25 Trans Cooler\|Fismo\|G-LOC R12/R10\|Zeta III L\|NLR Wing and Splitter\|CJM Pan and Fuel Hat\|Radium Surge Tank\|AP Racing CP9668

05-06-2013, 10:46 AM	#23 (permalink)
Joepro A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Athens ohio Posts: 1,213 Drives: Company car Rep Power: 34	No does not loose grip at all, its just annoyinghaving to learn to drive the tires so to speak, I know they are not going to slide or break loose, its just an unconfortable feeling for me. I have made the decision if I can sell them local I will switch, if not, I will live with it, maybe its a blessing in disguise, it will slow me down a bit __________________ Swift\|Koni\|SPC\| FI CBE\|Z1\|Stillen\|Sbend\|Zspeed\|R/T Tuned\|523 whp\|458 tq\|10.5 psi\|SOLD Joepro's Journal\|Joepro's Boosted Performance Build \|Pittsburgh-Western-Pa-Ohio-Wv-Group Last edited by Joepro; 05-06-2013 at 10:48 AM.

05-06-2013, 10:49 AM	#24 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Not sure if it's been mentioned or not, but new tires almost always feel softer because you're going from no tread to full tread. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

05-06-2013, 11:03 AM	#25 (permalink)
red6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 3,277 Drives: 2010 Z Coupe M6 SPT Rep Power: 21	That comment about the PSS not being a true performance tire should get that member banned LOL. I have put several thousand miles on my PSS and I love them. I'm running 255/295 and have never had any issues. Having longer thread life is just a plus for me. m4a1mustang, Masa and chrischhorn like this. __________________ 2010 Base+Sport 6spd: Stillen G3, FI Non-Resonated CBE, FI Non-Resonated Test Pipes, UpRev Tuned, Custom 24R Oil Cooler, JDM Rear Fog-OEM Harness. ???Whp ???WTQ (Will find out come spring time)

05-06-2013, 06:20 PM	#27 (permalink)
Joepro A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Athens ohio Posts: 1,213 Drives: Company car Rep Power: 34	I just checked tire rack, they have them listed now too but do not have them...hmmm really mucked up haha. I got a standard repsonse, "The size has nothing to do with how the tire handles its all about the compound on the tire and it will make no difference if I trade sizes"...oh well. __________________ Swift\|Koni\|SPC\| FI CBE\|Z1\|Stillen\|Sbend\|Zspeed\|R/T Tuned\|523 whp\|458 tq\|10.5 psi\|SOLD Joepro's Journal\|Joepro's Boosted Performance Build \|Pittsburgh-Western-Pa-Ohio-Wv-Group

05-06-2013, 06:47 PM	#28 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	My Hoosiers feel like crap compare to my RE11, yet it is a lot stickier. Sometimes you just have to deal with it.

05-06-2013, 06:59 PM	#29 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	tirerack: they do have pss in 285/35/19. Front: 245/40ZR19 Sidewall Style: Blackwall Serv. Desc: (98Y) Load Range: XL UTQG: 300 AA APrice: $278.00 (each) Estimated Availability: In Stock Estimated Arrival: Get EstimateQty: Optional Road Hazard Program: Add $24.56 per tire Rear: 285/35ZR19 Sidewall Style: Blackwall Serv. Desc: (103Y) Load Range: XL UTQG: Pending

05-07-2013, 11:25 AM	#30 (permalink)
Joepro A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Athens ohio Posts: 1,213 Drives: Company car Rep Power: 34	just heard from tire rack, they are willing to swap them, I have to front the bill for the new ones up front, then they will reimburse me. m4a1mustang and chrischhorn like this. __________________ Swift\|Koni\|SPC\| FI CBE\|Z1\|Stillen\|Sbend\|Zspeed\|R/T Tuned\|523 whp\|458 tq\|10.5 psi\|SOLD Joepro's Journal\|Joepro's Boosted Performance Build \|Pittsburgh-Western-Pa-Ohio-Wv-Group

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