New Forgestars, wrong offsets?
 

Hey all, I just got a set of new Forgstar F14s in this weekend (19x9 Semi-Concave & 19x10 Super Deep Concave). They looked awesome until I test fit them on my car. I understand that the test fit was with the suspension extended but I am still skeptical that the offsets are not too aggressive. Unfortunately I do not know what the offsets of the wheels are. (I checked with Forgestar and they simply base the offsets off the vehicle and desired fit but don't tell you the exact offsets). I will be running 245/40-19 tires in the front and 275/35-19 tires in the rear. See pics of test fit and back pads attached (file names decscribe pics). Any thoughts? Is it possible that the wheels will really move back in toward the fender that much with the tires on and the suspension compressed, I do not want to run a ton of camber on these. Hope I am just being paranoid and it will be fine, thanks in advance for any help. Hopefully someone can relieve my stress while I wait until Monday to hear back from my vendor.

You may want to post what are the offset, simply saying wrong offsets doesn't do much.

Im weak here But a lot of folks like myself run front 19x9.5 22+ rear 19x10.5 12+ for the most part.

I completely understand what you are saying, however if you look back at my post, I explained exactly why I did not list my exact offsets.

Thank you for your example though.

Did you order directly from Forgestar?

They probably play it safe and do close to OEM offsets if you don't order your own custom numbers.

You can make it look how you want with spacers. Check out the wheel/offset threads.



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No I did not order directly from Forgestar, they do not generally sell directly, I ordered through a different vendor and contacted them but they are not open on Sundays but should hear back tomorrow (I do not wish to say the vendors specific name at this time because if there isn't and issue I don't want to give the impression that the vendor messed up until I know for sure).

Maybe I wasn't clear in my initial message, what I am looking for from the forum is anyone who is knowledgeable in offsets or more specifically, fitment of Forgestar wheels to give their opinion on whether or not the test fitment looks correct or not. I have never ordered custom wheels before so it may just look like an issue to me but really isn't.

I hope this clears things up.

asdfsammich, I am sure you are correct in that assumption that they try and stick to OEM, I was just curious if the pictures of the test fitment look like it should be safe because it definitely does not like look like my OEM wheel fitment.

Maybe it's the angle or shadows, but looks like they poke out a lot (actually not OEM-like and not flush, it's in the poke range).


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Well since the wheels are poking out that would be more aggresivee than the oem wheels, but like gou said the suspension is extended so its hard to tell, maybe try raising up the tire with a jack? you mentioned lowering the car, do you plan on coilover or springs? By lowering the car and adjusting the camber you should be able to get them closer to flush. Was there any sizing on the boxes they came in that might show the offsets?

Hahaha dude I just realized your pic, how's that tactical bacon?

looks like it will poke some. Maybe a few milimeters. If you are concerned, you can always have the back of the wheel shaved down so it moves it more into a safer range. It'd be easier to help you out once you find out the exact offset. Anything under +20 on front will be semi aggressive and will poke if you aren't running a little extra camber. I'm assuming they did +15 though as a lot of guys do run camber after lowered.

Thanks for all the suggestions guys, however do you guys actually read my posts or just the title? I never said I was going to lower my car and specifically said I don't want to run more cambered in my very first post. Almost every reply in this thread contained something that didn't actually answer my questioned or said something completely the opposite of what I already said. This forum is generally pretty good but I seriously don't understand why it is so difficult to pay attention to what is actually said and or asked.

Not positive without knowing the offset, but I understand what you're saying. When the suspension is fully drooped (as it is on jack stands), it looses some of the negative camber that it has while it's at ride height, making the wheel look more aggressive than it is.
If it helps, my wheels stick out almost 2" when in the air. Once it's sitting on the ground, they tuck and sit flush.
You could always measure how much your oem wheel sticks out (or in), compared to the fender, while the car's in the air. Then take the same measurement with it on the ground, settled. Take the difference, or how much the top of the oem wheel retracted, and apply it to the new wheel's in-air position. This will give you a good idea of how much the new wheels will pull in with weight on them.

Check the rims and boxes again. How are the offsets not listed? I just got new wheels (not this brand) but it is clearly on the box and the engraved on the inside of the wheels. I would think this is common practice for wheel makers...

ckiesz, first off, thank you very much for staying on topic and generally being helpful! :) The method you outlined is a great suggestions and I will definitely give it a shot!

Lack of facts. No actual offsets. Makes it hard to help.

Not the forums fault. You're lucky people aren't giving you a hard time for not using the search feature to educate yourself on offsets/wheel fitment.

Or saying that you should have done that before buying.

Good luck to you.



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New Forgestars, wrong offsets?
 

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cgust, I am with you, you would think that it would be clearly marked, I have turned the boxes and wheels upside and inside out looking for an indication of the offset to no avail (I did my best to measure the offsets and I came up with +12 for both front and back which as I am sure you know is very aggressive, especially in the front, but I don't necessarily trust simply using a straight edge and a tape measure). When I talked to the vendor, they said that Forgestar does not provide the offsets they use for particular vehicles so that no one will copy them (doesn't make any sense to me). Hopefully I will be able to get their foot to the fire and get some answers tomorrow.

asdfsammich, look, I came here because I know a lot of you guys are very experienced and thought that someone may have any idea whether or not the pictures I posted looked reasonable or not and clearly explained why I don't know the actual offsets (as much as I would like I cannot change a companies business practices). I spoke at length with my vendor before purchasing the wheels and he assured me that the right offsets would be delivered (I am no expert even after I read these forums about fitment so I gave him tons of info, my ride height, desired tire size, etc. and trusted that a wheel vendor would know better than I, which I don't think is unreasonable).

Furthermore, you cannot deny that not once did I say I was going to lower my car and responses to this post claimed that I had. I don't think it is unreasonable to be annoyed when people ignore what I say or claim that I said things that I didn't.

Once again, to the few who have given helpful advice, I very much appreciate it!

You should be annoyed at yourself for not doing your homework. :facepalm:

I'm out. :inoutroflpuke:


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OP, I'd go with ckiesz's route. I have not seen my own wheels while the car is lifted so I am unable to compare with your photos.

Thanks cgust I will try that for sure.

Those rims come in the following ranges. You should have probably told them what you wanted.

SEMI CONCAVE
19"

19x9.0 offsets from +20 to +55

SUPER DEEP CONCAVE
19"

19x10 -19 to +31

Seriously? You just posted available offsets for Forgestar CF10s semi concave and deep concave when I clearly stated I bought F14s in semi concave and super deep concave. This is exactly what I am talking about when I say people don't read my posts. Either way, has anyone criticizing me considered that maybe Forgestar simply messed up rather than jump to the incorrect conclusion that I just blindly ordered offsets that I know to be wrong?

If you want to measure the backspacing of the wheels (hub mounting flange to very rear most lip of the wheel) and the overall width (should be 9.5-10" for a 9" rim and 10.5-11" for a 10" rim) it's pretty easy to figure the actual offset. Post it up or PM me if you'd like, happy to help.
Christian

No I read your post right. Just copied the wrong information. Sorry for living.

You sure have a crappy attitude for someone looking for help.

so what offsets did you order?

LOL, I am going to assume you are being sarcastic and not serious with that question. If you are being serious, please go back and read the rest of this thread.

I'm gonna assume you quoted the wrong post because: I am offering help, had a good attitude when I posted, and have absolutely no problem with you living :tiphat:

I wouldnt buy the spacers you are interested in.

I think it will sit flush once mounted and sitting on the floor. I have a decent amount of experience with the Z and wheels.:cool:

Your attitude wont get much help here. Just my two cents.

http://www.the370z.com/brakes-suspension/69927-anyone-use-these-spacers.html

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Yea, I don't plan on buying those spacers anymore, I had posted that just out of curiousity before I received my wheels as I did not expect the wheels to be as aggressive as they are, thanks.

just throwing this out there but when i jack my car up my rims and tires poke out from the fenders quite alot. im using 15mm spacers on OEM nismo rims. but lowered i actually have some room for a larger spacer. (im at -2 degrees of rear camber)

you really need to mount tires and test fit to get an idea.

fuct, thanks for the info! Hopefully that will be the case, I need to talk to my vendor before doing that as if it is wrong they won't take any returns once tires have been mounted.

I have run very aggressive wheels on my 350z and before the car is dropped off the jack it stuck out an inch and a half to 2 inches like yours. The tire is sitting at a positive camber when you are looking at it so when it is lowered and cambers in -1 to -2 then it will sit fairly flush maybe with a slight poke but will be fine.
My guess by looking at that width of 9 inches is the offset is +15 or so.