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W.O.W. 370Z 10-23-2012 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports (Post 1977335)
I am stating that their wheels are cut on their own tooling and machinery. This is directly from the owners of Strasse Forged.

You are evading my question.

You should run for Congress.

Vichtz 10-23-2012 09:30 PM

Who cares who makes what? dude broke his wheels and had shitty customer service. Don't buy COR wheels. Dont by Strasse if it makes you feel better. Buy HRE or reputable brand. Lets get over this till further info is released... Personally, I just want to get hold of some sport RAYS :tup: or maybe some axxis angle. Then again I'm not tracking...

W.O.W. 370Z 10-23-2012 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ubetit (Post 1977337)
As someone that has been looking for wheels for my roadster, threads like this just make it even more confusing. What i take away from all the negative forged wheel failure threads is that one company makes wheels for every forged US Wheel "manufacturer" except for HRE and Kinesis. :shakes head:

I need a flowchart of brands.

CCW cuts their own wheels. One of the best wheel companies out there.

W.O.W. 370Z 10-23-2012 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vichtz (Post 1977340)
Who cares who makes what? dude broke his wheels and had shitty customer service. Don't buy COR wheels. Dont by Strasse if it makes you feel better. Buy HRE or reputable brand. Lets get over this till further info is released... Personally, I just want to get hold of some sport RAYS :tup: or maybe some axxis angle. Then again I'm not tracking...

:roflpuke2:

Vichtz 10-23-2012 09:33 PM

What can I say, I like the look of black on PG :tup:

http://www.axiswheels.com/content/wh...z1%20angle.jpg

b1adesofcha0s 10-23-2012 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Vichtz (Post 1977353)
What can I say, I like the look of black on PG :tup:

http://www.axiswheels.com/content/wh...z1%20angle.jpg

:tup:

W.O.W. 370Z 10-23-2012 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ubetit (Post 1977337)
As someone that has been looking for wheels for my roadster, threads like this just make it even more confusing. What i take away from all the negative forged wheel failure threads is that one company makes wheels for every forged US Wheel "manufacturer" except for HRE and Kinesis. :D

I need a flowchart of brands.

So now the don't buy list is:

360 forged
ADV.1
COR - And any private label they make
MHT - and any private label they make

MHT manufactures ADV1

Vichtz 10-23-2012 09:41 PM

Axxis arent gonna break on me are they? :ugh2::ugh2::ugh2:

Ubetit 10-23-2012 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by W.O.W. 370Z (Post 1977363)
MHT manufactures ADV1

Apparently the forged wheel business is easier to start than opening a hot dog cart.

W.O.W. 370Z 10-23-2012 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ubetit (Post 1977389)
Apparently the forged wheel business is easier to start than opening a hot dog cart.

And almost all are in South Florida.

phelan 10-23-2012 09:56 PM

http://www.amsterdamtrader.com/wp-co.../05/awjeez.jpg

Rusty 10-23-2012 09:57 PM

Hey W.O.W 370Z. What about Forgeline rims? What you you know about them? Because I have a set.

GetYourWheels 10-23-2012 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 1977408)
Hey W.O.W 370Z. What about Forgeline rims? What you you know about them? Because I have a set.

Forgeline is made by Foreline based out of Ohio. Forgeline prides their self in track wheels and actually build wheels for many race teams including DP cars and many sport car teams.

http://www.forgeline.com/product_ima..._image-630.jpg

Rusty rest assured your wheels are top notch!

Rusty 10-23-2012 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GetYourWheels (Post 1977442)
Forgeline is made by Foreline based out of Ohio. Forgeline prides their self in track wheels and actually build wheels for many race teams including DP cars and many sport car teams.

http://www.forgeline.com/product_ima..._image-630.jpg

Rusty rest assured your wheels are top notch!

Thanks Eric. :tiphat: Alot of stuff is getting thrown around. If you know what I mean. :rolleyes:

Kingbaby 10-23-2012 10:43 PM

A sound flow chart would be cool in a tree format branching out for track/DD/autox/cruising/more likely to bend/more likely to crack

Things of that nature

W.O.W. 370Z 10-23-2012 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 1977408)
Hey W.O.W 370Z. What about Forgeline rims? What you you know about them? Because I have a set.

What Eric said but I am worried that your worried about your purchase after the fact.

Forgeline has been around for a while.

Fly by nights should be cause for concern.

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TheGreatOne 10-23-2012 11:09 PM

Wow, thats some scary ****. Lucky it was only as bad as it was

I definitely did my research before going with a 3 piece forged company (with all the horror stories) and having a few members here with the same brand (ISS) made me more comfortable...especially because they could literally walk over and see the process (something W.O.W even offered to do :tup:)

Rusty 10-24-2012 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by W.O.W. 370Z (Post 1977471)
What Eric said but I am worried that your worried about your purchase after the fact.

Forgeline has been around for a while.

Fly by nights should be cause for concern.

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No, I just wanted your input on it. That's all. ;)

fuct 10-24-2012 09:51 AM

threads like this keep me happy with my factory wheels. :)

98intrigue 10-24-2012 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by W.O.W. 370Z (Post 1977342)
CCW cuts their own wheels. One of the best wheel companies out there.

:iagree: I've been to their warehouse to pickup a set of Classics.

According to Modulare Forged's website, they make their wheels in house as well (my new wheels).

6MT 10-24-2012 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by zero (Post 1977213)
Should have stayed with OEM rims...:shakes head:

:iagree: Holy sh1t!

daisuke149 10-24-2012 12:06 PM

as an FYI.. cus everyone seems to be taking this out of proportion...

think about how many of these aftermarket wheels have failed.. compared to how many havnt.

Put that into perspective of how often your new car breaks down.. or anything else you own or have.

The failure rate is extremely low.. granted a wheel breaking is more serious than your windshield wiper motor.

Point is.. not everything is gonna be 100% and no company is going to always produce a perfect product. What people should be concentrating on is how they handled it.. which is absurd.

(P.S we have seen oem wheel on the Z fail too..)

98intrigue 10-24-2012 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149 (Post 1978246)
as an FYI.. cus everyone seems to be taking this out of proportion...

think about how many of these aftermarket wheels have failed.. compared to how many havnt.

Put that into perspective of how often your new car breaks down.. or anything else you own or have.

The failure rate is extremely low.. granted a wheel breaking is more serious than your windshield wiper motor.

Point is.. not everything is gonna be 100% and no company is going to always produce a perfect product. What people should be concentrating on is how they handled it.. which is absurd.

(P.S we have seen oem wheel on the Z fail too..)

I agree. I've heard nothing but great things about COR up until now. What I don't like is how they promoted their wheels for "the track or the street", but all of a sudden backpedal and even change verbiage on their website because of this incident. All this bad publicity is not worth a $1200 replacement wheel.

gotzkill 10-24-2012 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports (Post 1976881)
W.O.W. You have out done yourself again. Too bad Strasse cuts their own wheels with their own tooling. Ohhh and they also design their own wheels and have them tested before they bring them to market. That is why they only have a few designs... not because of lack of creativity but because their designs are proven and have not failed... And as the original article says the COR wheels warranties are void when in competition... That is COR not Strasse Forged... Also, Strasse Forged Hosts Track days for its customers both drag and HPDE's. The wheels are proven to be reliable on and off the track. My original set of strasse wheels are on their 3rd or even 4th vehicle and still look brand new! I am on my second set of wheels from them. I have sold over a dozen sets of wheels and have had ZERO problems with both customer service and the product itself.

You are making an attempt at a strawman argument. Everyone appreciates you linking the thread about the wheels and bringing to light the situation. HOWEVER, I and Others do NOT appreciate you lumping in other companies because YOU THINK YOU KNOW how their business is run.

:rolleyes:


This really sucks for the owner of that car, just a good thing no one got hurt!!

With respect to the quoted message however, theres a couple of things that should be noted...

1.) As a dealer on this forum, and someone deeply bedded in the Nissan aftermarket parts scene, the way that you approach a regular forum member is absolutely out of line. As someone who consistently deals with people, diplomacy and eloquence with the way you speak should be second to none. That is not at all what you've exhibited within this thread. Extremely unprofessional.

2.) I'm not sure if you've ever been to the COR manufacturing facility, but I have. I can tell you without so much as a hint of doubt that Strasse Forged is made and finished by COR. The COR facility is littered with Strasse Forged wheels and there is constantly people from Strasse there picking wheels in boxes ready to ship. Strasse is made by COR, with COR's components, COR's forgings, COR's hardware, etc... As for designs, with the exception of a couple of them, they are just slightly altered designs from companies that had already been producing those designs, but then again, what wheels now-a-days arent similar to one wheel or another.


To each their own though, if you like COR, Strasse, or Saca-Moco down the street, its your own responsibility to do your research and choose the right product for you.

This seems to be an isolated incident so lets hope it stays that way! If I were COR I would have immediately handed the whole situation over to their insurance company and had them handle it. Thats what the insurance they pay for every month is there for.

:ugh2:

Waiz 10-26-2012 05:51 PM

Another reason why I stick to RAYS, SSR or Enkei

So much misinformation everywhere about all of these other brands :ugh2:

binary0x01 10-26-2012 08:15 PM

BBS LMs plz :)

daisuke149 10-26-2012 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Waizzz (Post 1983782)
Another reason why I stick to RAYS, SSR or Enkei

So much misinformation everywhere about all of these other brands :ugh2:

FYI. ive seen ENkei fail and rays too.

as stated. its gonna happen to every company out there. No product line or person or anything is ever perfect. What you should be looking at is how they handle the situation after it happens.

bullitt5897 10-27-2012 12:27 AM

Turns out there is more to the story... Details are parsed out over several forums...

dastaco 10-27-2012 02:35 AM

Thanks for getting the word out on this, I think its safe to say I'll be avoiding these companies like the plague.

Unique_Z 10-27-2012 07:57 AM

I'm with Dai, this is true as manufacturers doesn't always make a perfect wheels and such, even my friend's brand new Z broken down. it's running too rich from the factory. Same goes to wheels, i've seen the oem wheels fail too.

Ubetit 10-27-2012 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports (Post 1984341)
Turns out there is more to the story... Details are parsed out over several forums...

I'm not finding these details... link?

The more I read about all these wheels brands, the more it all points back to just a few companies making them or supplying the key parts.

A few years ago I had a new furnace and humidifier installed in my house. A friend was doing the install as he worked for a company that allowed him 2 "friends and family" installs a year at cost plus 5%. My friend gets ready to install the humidifier and hands me a little bag that was inside. He said to pick which manufacturers name plate I wanted. I recall there were at least 6 name pates by some well known brands. :)

bullitt5897 10-27-2012 09:28 AM

Just google search the title of the original thread.

From what I gathered online the company was working to make things right from the failure up until the customer brought their lawyer involved. Once that happened all the game changed and now COR was doing what was best for them. Having said that the customer would have most likely had everything paid for by now if the lawyer wasn't brought in from the beginning. If the company completely refused to do anything about it then yeah the lawyer would have been the right move.

Ubetit 10-27-2012 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports (Post 1984528)
Just google search the title of the original thread.

From what I gathered online the company was working to make things right from the failure up until the customer brought their lawyer involved. Once that happened all the game changed and now COR was doing what was best for them. Having said that the customer would have most likely had everything paid for by now if the lawyer wasn't brought in from the beginning. If the company completely refused to do anything about it then yeah the lawyer would have been the right move.

I guess I gather differently than you do. The customer would not have had everything paid for by now. I read, "Prior to the involvement of legal counsel, the client was offered a full refund, regardless of any specific warranty considerations." How does that fix the damage to his car?

dastaco 10-27-2012 12:23 PM

Bringing in a lawyer is the right thing to do, as you said COR is doing what's best for themselves in the short term which is almost always the worst course of action. I view this now as COR admitting to making inferior products and being more than willing to throw customers under the bus. Pretty much cements my opinion that if you do business with COR or any company COR produces for you are rolling the dice.

W.O.W. 370Z 10-27-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports (Post 1984528)
Just google search the title of the original thread.

From what I gathered online the company was working to make things right from the failure up until the customer brought their lawyer involved. Once that happened all the game changed and now COR was doing what was best for them. Having said that the customer would have most likely had everything paid for by now if the lawyer wasn't brought in from the beginning. If the company completely refused to do anything about it then yeah the lawyer would have been the right move.

The lawyer was brought in to protect the interests of the customer.

How could any reasonable person think that is wrong thing to do at that point and time?

Also there were damages besides the wheel. A lawyer was only choice for customer to be compensated and put back to the place he was before wheels fell apart.

Again I commend your loyalty to COR but don't let that stand in the way of logic or reason.



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W.O.W. 370Z 10-27-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dastaco (Post 1984673)
Bringing in a lawyer is the right thing to do, as you said COR is doing what's best for themselves in the short term which is almost always the worst course of action. I view this now as COR admitting to making inferior products and being more than willing to throw customers under the bus. Pretty much cements my opinion that if you do business with COR or any company COR produces for you are rolling the dice.

I agree 100%



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cheshirecat 10-27-2012 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dastaco (Post 1984673)
Bringing in a lawyer is the right thing to do, as you said COR is doing what's best for themselves in the short term which is almost always the worst course of action.

Absolutely. Regardless of who is responsible for what, this is a lot of money and the entire deal is best handled by lawyers on both sides.

IMO, once the website started getting edited, it became a completely different matter from "replace the wheel/fix the damage".

bullitt5897 10-27-2012 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by W.O.W. 370Z (Post 1984750)
The lawyer was brought in to protect the interests of the customer.

How could any reasonable person think that is wrong thing to do at that point and time?

Also there were damages besides the wheel. A lawyer was only choice for customer to be compensated and put back to the place he was before wheels fell apart.

Again I commend your loyalty to COR but don't let that stand in the way of logic or reason.



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Ok let me put it this way so it doesn't get misunderstood.

My opinion:

I think there is more to the story and that there is three sides to every story. In this case you have the customer's version of what happened (this is what is being spread across the Internet). COR has chosen to keep quiet from what has appeared to be on the advice of their legal council. Then we have what really happened without bias. I have not chosen any sides despite what a few members may believe...

I am a bit skeptical of the customers story to a degree. I believe some information has been left out. This information could be important in painting the real story... Since COR has not told their story none of us can make any real judgement on what really happened!

The customer does bring some pretty damning evidence with the warranty issues. This needs to be addressed by COR.

Now some members want to group other manufacturers in with this incident and honestly it's sad that these members would stoop to such a low blow with those manufacturers not here to defend themselves. Grouping another manufacturer into this is shady! The simple fact that another company purchases the same material from the same suppliers as COR does not make them a COR private label. The fact that a company may share work space/warehouse space does not make them a private label. The fact that a company has its own machinery and tooling to build its wheels definitely proves that they are not private label...

There are only so many sources for forged center blanks in the US as well as barrel manufacturers... Other brands have not had this issue and the fact that this is the first I have ever heard of a failure from COR and only a single wheelpoints to a rare incident. Unless COR is willing to release their testing of the suspect rim we will not know why that rim failed under load on the track.

All in all, there is no reason to tarnish the names of good companies like Strasse forged who have provided great products, customer service and have proven their wheels on and off the track. I don't know many wheel manufacturers who actually host their own track days both strip and road course like Strasse forged does... If anything my loyalties stand with Strasse forged.

Red__Zed 10-27-2012 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ubetit (Post 1984576)
I guess I gather differently than you do. The customer would not have had everything paid for by now. I read, "Prior to the involvement of legal counsel, the client was offered a full refund, regardless of any specific warranty considerations." How does that fix the damage to his car?

Do you expect a component manufacturer to sign up for what would essentially amount to unlimited liability?

Ubetit 10-27-2012 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1985075)
Do you expect a component manufacturer to sign up for what would essentially amount to unlimited liability?

It would be nice but of course it's not going to happen. That's when the lawyers come in.


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