Vredestein Tires?

370Z Purist · 10-01-2012, 04:52 PM

I want to get the word out (and get some word back) on these tires, which are Dutch (i.e. made in Holland) and they're apparently phenomenal tires.

I post this here because I want to people to see these tires... I was blown away by some test results that place these tires in a higher price segment. I guess it could be moved to the Tire and Wheel section if it really isn't supposed to be here at all.

A friend of mine races a 240Z in Vintage class, and he mounts Ultrac Sessanta's on his G35 coupe (apparently, occasionally on his team's race cars). They are beautifully designed and apparently extremely grippy (performing on par or better than PS2's) and are a very inexpensive option (< $300 per tire!) as an ultra high performance summer tire. Soft tread but stiff sidewalls are what I noted, not to mention a hypnotizing tread design.

It seems that BMW forums (and euro-car forums) have begun to discover this tire as of the past couple years. I will be mounting these on my Z next spring after the winter breaks.

Has anyone had any experience with these tires themselves? I trust my friend because he races, but I'd prefer more opinions than just one. I was initially looking at RE11's but I don't need an extreme performance tire for daily, spirited driving. I'll be breaking out into some AutoX or some mild tracking next year, but it's rather hard to justify spending 400 or more per tire on extreme performance tires which would spend the vast majority of their tread on public roads.

Some more background after significant research:

Popular in Europe, especially among BMW and Aston owners. Seems to be used on Ferraris whenever they're not using Pirelli's.

Many of their tires are redesigned for specific sizes to ensure uniform performance regardless of tire size.

They are non-directional, meaning you don't have to mount them in a specific way. You could actually rotate these tires, although it would mean taking a wheel, removing the tire, flipping it, then remounting.

Treadwear comes to 280, so they last quite a bit longer than the stock RE050A's. They also appear to ride quieter and more comfortably, but not particularly harsher. Their sidewalls are also rather highly rated, indicating a stiffer tire.

Remarkable wet traction and hydro/aqua planing resistance.

The tires are designed with ItalDesign Giugiaro S.p.A, which holds the status of having designed the first M1 in '71, the Quattroporte, and the W12, among others. See here: Italdesign Giugiaro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lastly, a video.

Do I sound like a salesman? Probably. Am I wondering why no one has heard of these, seeing as how cost effective they are? Definitely.

Please don't ban me!

EndyKwon · 10-01-2012, 05:02 PM

Question is, do they have them on sale in the US?
Edit: They do! I was too lazy to google.

Now the question comes into this: How well do the Sessanta perform compared to Hankook Ventus V12s?

Based on my 5 minute research into it, I've come to answer my own questions. If your road conditions aren't optimal (i.e., Los Angeles roads), you're better off getting the Ventus V12s. They're more for a comfortable, quiet experience, compared the the Sessantas. If you really don't care about comfort and its all about the grip/handling/responsiveness, you can opt to go for the Sessantas. Its still a quiet, comfy tire, just not as much as the Hankooks.

370Z Purist · 10-01-2012, 05:06 PM

They do indeed! There's quite a few dealers, more towards the populated areas.

EDIT:

BMW forums had the same question.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=495397

EndyKwon · 10-01-2012, 05:11 PM

Reps to you! Discovered a new brand!

carboy281 · 10-01-2012, 05:19 PM

I had them on a my 370Z.. Good bang for the buck tire's..

370Z Purist · 10-01-2012, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carboy281

I had them on a my 370Z.. Good bang for the buck tire's..

Whoa. Someone used them! I knew it. Someone had to know.

nmjaxx9 · 10-01-2012, 08:40 PM

I knew the name sounded familiar, found these on craigs a while ago, too bad you are far, they are going for cheap too, take a look. 20" Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta tires 255-30-20 + 285-30-20 like NEW

370Z Purist · 10-01-2012, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nmjaxx9

I knew the name sounded familiar, found these on craigs a while ago, too bad you are far, they are going for cheap too, take a look. 20" Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta tires 255-30-20 + 285-30-20 like NEW

575 is a steal. I still have the 19 inch rays, though...

nmjaxx9 · 10-01-2012, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370Z Purist

575 is a steal. I still have the 19 inch rays, though...

plus you live far away!! @ that price I would find me some 20s asap.

370Z Purist · 10-01-2012, 10:09 PM

I will definitely buy a 4000+ dollar set of 20" wheels just for those tires!

Twin turbo is taking a backseat to this!

lol.

Japanjay · 10-02-2012, 01:39 AM

I am actually going to be buying tires in the next couple of weeks. I think I am going to buy these. Price is really fair vs competitors.

370Z Purist · 10-02-2012, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Japanjay

I am actually going to be buying tires in the next couple of weeks. I think I am going to buy these. Price is really fair vs competitors.

Be sure to write a review or at least tell us how you like them. I have heard close to no bad things about these tires.

oro · 10-02-2012, 05:06 AM

I had them on my 350Z with 19" Volks. During the wet they were far grippier than my bfg kdw2's, in the dry they were equivalent on traction but not as loud as the KDW's. They are great tires for the price. I recently put some BFG Sport Comp 2's and although I haven't run them in the wet they have surpassed both my previous tire combos by far, although I'm no track junky they have more grip than I can break on the street at least without doing anything entirely stupid.

fuct · 10-02-2012, 01:58 PM

how is the wear on these tires?

370Z Purist · 10-02-2012, 03:07 PM

It seems they last at least twice what the RE050A stockers will. This is both by the treadwear rating and by other owners on different vehicles. My friend tends to like to drift a little and says they still last him about 25-30 thousand.

10-01-2012, 04:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 19	Vredestein Tires? I want to get the word out (and get some word back) on these tires, which are Dutch (i.e. made in Holland) and they're apparently phenomenal tires. I post this here because I want to people to see these tires... I was blown away by some test results that place these tires in a higher price segment. I guess it could be moved to the Tire and Wheel section if it really isn't supposed to be here at all. A friend of mine races a 240Z in Vintage class, and he mounts Ultrac Sessanta's on his G35 coupe (apparently, occasionally on his team's race cars). They are beautifully designed and apparently extremely grippy (performing on par or better than PS2's) and are a very inexpensive option (< $300 per tire!) as an ultra high performance summer tire. Soft tread but stiff sidewalls are what I noted, not to mention a hypnotizing tread design. It seems that BMW forums (and euro-car forums) have begun to discover this tire as of the past couple years. I will be mounting these on my Z next spring after the winter breaks. Has anyone had any experience with these tires themselves? I trust my friend because he races, but I'd prefer more opinions than just one. I was initially looking at RE11's but I don't need an extreme performance tire for daily, spirited driving. I'll be breaking out into some AutoX or some mild tracking next year, but it's rather hard to justify spending 400 or more per tire on extreme performance tires which would spend the vast majority of their tread on public roads. Some more background after significant research: Popular in Europe, especially among BMW and Aston owners. Seems to be used on Ferraris whenever they're not using Pirelli's. Many of their tires are redesigned for specific sizes to ensure uniform performance regardless of tire size. They are non-directional, meaning you don't have to mount them in a specific way. You could actually rotate these tires, although it would mean taking a wheel, removing the tire, flipping it, then remounting. Treadwear comes to 280, so they last quite a bit longer than the stock RE050A's. They also appear to ride quieter and more comfortably, but not particularly harsher. Their sidewalls are also rather highly rated, indicating a stiffer tire. Remarkable wet traction and hydro/aqua planing resistance. The tires are designed with ItalDesign Giugiaro S.p.A, which holds the status of having designed the first M1 in '71, the Quattroporte, and the W12, among others. See here: Italdesign Giugiaro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Lastly, a video. Do I sound like a salesman? Probably. Am I wondering why no one has heard of these, seeing as how cost effective they are? Definitely. Please don't ban me! gbrettin likes this. __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow."

10-01-2012, 05:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
EndyKwon Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 427 Drives: '11 BSilver Base 7AT Rep Power: 13	Question is, do they have them on sale in the US? Edit: They do! I was too lazy to google. Now the question comes into this: How well do the Sessanta perform compared to Hankook Ventus V12s? Based on my 5 minute research into it, I've come to answer my own questions. If your road conditions aren't optimal (i.e., Los Angeles roads), you're better off getting the Ventus V12s. They're more for a comfortable, quiet experience, compared the the Sessantas. If you really don't care about comfort and its all about the grip/handling/responsiveness, you can opt to go for the Sessantas. Its still a quiet, comfy tire, just not as much as the Hankooks. Last edited by EndyKwon; 10-01-2012 at 05:09 PM.

10-01-2012, 05:06 PM	#3 (permalink)
370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 19	They do indeed! There's quite a few dealers, more towards the populated areas. EDIT: BMW forums had the same question. http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=495397 EndyKwon likes this. __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow." Last edited by 370Z Purist; 10-01-2012 at 05:10 PM.

10-01-2012, 10:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 19	I will definitely buy a 4000+ dollar set of 20" wheels just for those tires! Twin turbo is taking a backseat to this! lol. __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow."

10-02-2012, 05:06 AM	#13 (permalink)
oro Base Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 192 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 15	I had them on my 350Z with 19" Volks. During the wet they were far grippier than my bfg kdw2's, in the dry they were equivalent on traction but not as loud as the KDW's. They are great tires for the price. I recently put some BFG Sport Comp 2's and although I haven't run them in the wet they have surpassed both my previous tire combos by far, although I'm no track junky they have more grip than I can break on the street at least without doing anything entirely stupid. 370Z Purist likes this.

10-01-2012, 05:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
EndyKwon Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 427 Drives: '11 BSilver Base 7AT Rep Power: 13	Reps to you! Discovered a new brand!

10-01-2012, 05:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
carboy281 Base Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 66 Drives: 370z 40th Rep Power: 14	I had them on a my 370Z.. Good bang for the buck tire's..

10-01-2012, 08:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
nmjaxx9 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Middletown, Ct Posts: 5,853 Drives: 2011 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 26	I knew the name sounded familiar, found these on craigs a while ago, too bad you are far, they are going for cheap too, take a look. 20" Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta tires 255-30-20 + 285-30-20 like NEW

10-02-2012, 01:39 AM	#11 (permalink)
Japanjay Track Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Puyallup Posts: 856 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z MB M6 Rep Power: 14	I am actually going to be buying tires in the next couple of weeks. I think I am going to buy these. Price is really fair vs competitors.

10-02-2012, 01:58 PM	#14 (permalink)
fuct A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sugar Land Posts: 3,692 Drives: 97' Ranger :) Rep Power: 24	how is the wear on these tires?

10-02-2012, 03:07 PM	#15 (permalink)
370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 19	It seems they last at least twice what the RE050A stockers will. This is both by the treadwear rating and by other owners on different vehicles. My friend tends to like to drift a little and says they still last him about 25-30 thousand. __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow."

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