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brucelidat 01-09-2012 05:02 PM

Pros/cons of most popular tires
 
So this is what I have gathered from reading up on tires here, RE-11s and Advan 08s seems to be 2 of the best/most popular for grip and performance. Hankook Ventus v12 and the Continental DW seem to be very popular street tires. I would like to gather thoughts, pros/cons on all of these and any other highly regarded tires forums members are using. I think this will be a great centralized source of tire info for members.

I think relevant details are
1) grip (dry and wet)
2) noise vs stock
3) tramline/tracking
4) how do they hold up at the track
5) tread life from member experiences
6) other thoughts/comments (ex. sidewall, flex, ride feel, how larger than stock tires fit, etc.)

brucelidat 01-09-2012 05:08 PM

From what i have gathered reading up on some reviews, The Ventus v12s are great for daily driving, but not so good at the track. They also ride quieter than stock and seem like they might have a pretty long tread life.

A friend of mine mentioned the Ventus R-S3s. Has anyone had nay experience with these?

The Continental DW are also pretty popular with people saying they are great street tires with great dry and cold (for a summer tire) grip. They also are quieter than stock. I haven't read much about how they hold up at the track or how long they last, though.

Advan 08 and RE-11 seem to be considered the grippiest and best tires for the track. I am not sure about noise level and ride comfort or tread life though.

These are just some observations of mine form reading tire reviews her eon the forums. People who have these tires are definitely encouraged to chime in with their thoughts/experiences.

Alchemy 01-09-2012 05:15 PM

Im currently on the V12's. Road noise far less pronounced than the stock tires. Grip in the wet is better than the stock Bridgestones but dry performance suffers in comparison. I drive pretty hard and the v12s pretty much handle what I can throw at them on the street. On the track they would be terrible Im sure. Tread life seems decent which is why I bought them, I wanted something that would last longer than the stockers. For the price they cant be beat.

brucelidat 01-09-2012 05:17 PM

Wonder if this could be bumped into the general discussions for a day or 2 just for some better exposure and member input. I didn't want to obviously and intentionally post in the wrong section, though. What do you Mods think?

FL 4Motion 01-09-2012 05:51 PM

Currently running michelin PS2s. They are better in every way over the stock tires both on the track and on the street.

Next set of tires will either be PSS's or RE-11s.

Alchemy 01-09-2012 06:17 PM

Yeah, now that I just paid off my house I have much more Z money. My next tires will prob be RE-11's. While some wheelspin can be fun I wanna know what my car feels like when it really hooks up. If you have the $ to blow I believe this is THE tire.

Juruki 01-09-2012 06:43 PM

I had Hankook V12 and currently have RE-11's
-Absolutely NO comparison in dry traction and performance. Re-11 ftw
-Wet traction felt good with both
-Hankooks are quieter and have a longer life
-Hankooks have soft sidewalls and make the steering wheel feel a little more disconnected to the road. Stiff sidewalls on the RE-11's

Mike 01-09-2012 06:55 PM

AD-08s behave well on the street, comfy and quiet and perform like about 90% of a Hoosier on the track.

kenchan 01-09-2012 07:44 PM

ContDW in stock size;

1) grip (dry and wet)
Dry is very good, wet is also good, but not as good as BridgestoneS04 polepositions.

2) noise vs stock

Very quiet.


3) tramline/tracking

None at ET33 front 19x9.


4) how do they hold up at the track

Don't know.

5) tread life from member experiences

Very good.

6) other thoughts/comments

Soft sidewall, blooms easily (turns brown after driving in very wet conditions)
treads look good but sidewall appearance is not the prettiest.

Would I buy again? No, just wanted to try these out. I am happy with them but will replace with either the supersports or RE11's next.

Alchemy 01-09-2012 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juruki (Post 1483062)
I had Hankook V12 and currently have RE-11's
-Absolutely NO comparison in dry traction and performance. Re-11 ftw
-Wet traction felt good with both
-Hankooks are quieter and have a longer
-Hankooks have soft sidewalls and make the steering wheel feel a little more disconnected to the road. Stiff sidewalls on the RE-11's

I meant to mention the soft sidewalls in my previous post as well.

brucelidat 01-09-2012 08:44 PM

How is tread life on the re-11s? those seem like THE tires to get. The Hankooks are quieter than the re-11a, but are the re-11s quieter than stock?

brucelidat 01-09-2012 10:34 PM

Also wondering what you all think about the Road Hazard insurance when ordering your tires from an internet retailer like tirerack.com. I used to just get my tires at Sears when i had my Altima so it was easy to just bring the car there for Road Hazard repair jobs and that's not too often. Is it a hassle to get reimbursed and stuff when you have it through an internet dealer? Just wondering if it's more hassle than it's worth. Patch jobs aren't expensive either. It's really in case some thing really bad happens and the tire is unrepairable. What do you guys think, more hassle than it's worth or a must?

FL 4Motion 01-10-2012 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 1483359)
Also wondering what you all think about the Road Hazard insurance when ordering your tires from an internet retailer like tirerack.com. I used to just get my tires at Sears when i had my Altima so it was easy to just bring the car there for Road Hazard repair jobs and that's not too often. Is it a hassle to get reimbursed and stuff when you have it through an internet dealer? Just wondering if it's more hassle than it's worth. Patch jobs aren't expensive either. It's really in case some thing really bad happens and the tire is unrepairable. What do you guys think, more hassle than it's worth or a must?

I've never had to use the road hazard ins. from tire rack, BUT I have purchased many many sets of tires (and wheels) from them over the years and they have great customer service. In fact, that's the only place I really buy tires from anymore, they've earned my loyalty.

As far as if the road hazard ins is necessary, imo, for run flats it is worth it since they cannot be repaired. (no reputable shop will touch them but you could do it yourself). For normal tires, patch/plug jobs are so cheap, the road hazard seems not worth it to me.

christian370z 01-10-2012 03:23 PM

I run RE-11s 265/35-19 front and 285/35-19s in the rear.

1) grip (dry and wet): No comparison over the stock RE050s. I have yet to try them in the rain but they have at least 30% more traction in every situation. They are extremely progressive and neutral at the limits, I haven't had the chance to take the Z into the canyons yet but I need to adjust to the much higher grip level.

2) noise vs stock: quieter than stock

3) tramline/tracking: tracks like the stock tires, maybe a bit better due to the stiffer sidewalls.

4) how do they hold up at the track: N/A

5) tread life from member experiences: Spohn expects 10-12,000 miles out of them including multiple track days. Pretty darn good in my opinion.

6) other thoughts/comments (ex. sidewall, flex, ride feel, how larger than stock tires fit, etc.): I think the larger tire widths fit the sport package rays very well, no significant sidewall bulge whatsoever. Being lowered and having spacers, it makes the wheel tire setup a bit more flush and in my opinion, perfect.

XwChriswX 01-10-2012 03:39 PM

I currently have Michelin Pilot Super Sports with about 7k miles on them.

(255/25/19, 295/30/19)

1. Wet/Dry Traction:

Dry - EXCELLENT. These will not break under any conditions I've been able to put them under so far. Let's just say on a highway onramp curve at 3 digit speed, you will not move, even when it's bumpy. No track experience yet.

Wet - :ugh: On damp, or light wetness they are fine. However, under Heavy rain condition, I would advise no driving at speed. Even though claimed to have a high hydroplaning resistance, I found this to not be true and in fact, hydroplaned. :rofl2:

2. Cornering

Superb. Never felt any buckle in the sidewalls through aggressive driving, or cornering.

3. Treadlife

So far only have 7k on them, but they seem to be holding up very well, again with no track days yet.

4. Noise

Quieter than stock, (as if there were any that weren't... :icon17: )

5. Final comments

Due to moving from a desert to a place where it can rain heavily whenever it wants, I will be moving from the PSS' to the Michelin 970AS (all seasons) and possibly keeping the PSS's for just track days. Unless I were to find a buyer who wanted them now.

VQStryker 01-10-2012 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 1484179)
I currently have Michelin Pilot Super Sports with about 7k miles on them.

(255/25/19, 395/30/19)

1. Wet/Dry Traction:

Dry - EXCELLENT. These will not break under any conditions I've been able to put them under so far. Let's just say on a highway onramp curve at 3 digit speed, you will not move, even when it's bumpy. No track experience yet.

Wet - :ugh: On damp, or light wetness they are fine. However, under Heavy rain condition, I would advise no driving at speed. Even though claimed to have a high hydroplaning resistance, I found this to not be true and in fact, hydroplaned. :rofl2:

2. Cornering

Superb. Never felt any buckle in the sidewalls through aggressive driving, or cornering.

3. Treadlife

So far only have 7k on them, but they seem to be holding up very well, again with no track days yet.

4. Noise

Quieter than stock, (as if there were any that weren't... :icon17: )

5. Final comments

Due to moving from a desert to a place where it can rain heavily whenever it wants, I will be moving from the PSS' to the Michelin 970AS (all seasons) and possibly keeping the PSS's for just track days. Unless I were to find a buyer who wanted them now.


:eek: I hope that's supposed to be a 2

FL 4Motion 01-10-2012 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 1484179)
I currently have Michelin Pilot Super Sports with about 7k miles on them.

(255/25/19, 395/30/19)

1. Wet/Dry Traction:

Dry - EXCELLENT. These will not break under any conditions I've been able to put them under so far. Let's just say on a highway onramp curve at 3 digit speed, you will not move, even when it's bumpy. No track experience yet.

Wet - :ugh: On damp, or light wetness they are fine. However, under Heavy rain condition, I would advise no driving at speed. Even though claimed to have a high hydroplaning resistance, I found this to not be true and in fact, hydroplaned. :rofl2:

2. Cornering

Superb. Never felt any buckle in the sidewalls through aggressive driving, or cornering.

3. Treadlife

So far only have 7k on them, but they seem to be holding up very well, again with no track days yet.

4. Noise

Quieter than stock, (as if there were any that weren't... :icon17: )

5. Final comments

Due to moving from a desert to a place where it can rain heavily whenever it wants, I will be moving from the PSS' to the Michelin 970AS (all seasons) and possibly keeping the PSS's for just track days. Unless I were to find a buyer who wanted them now.

most impressive. (darth vader voice)

Quote:

Originally Posted by VQStryker (Post 1484227)
:eek: I hope that's supposed to be a 2

doubt it, that's just how Chris rolls, like a Boss.

XwChriswX 01-10-2012 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VQStryker (Post 1484227)
:eek: I hope that's supposed to be a 2

Thats the size I plan on running some new goodies I ordered and were delivered recently. :rolleyes: ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 1484233)
most impressive. (darth vader voice)



doubt it, that's just how Chris rolls, like a Boss.

:iagree: :inoutroflpuke:

TerribleONE 01-10-2012 04:26 PM

DAMN 395s.. do you rub??

VQStryker 01-10-2012 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerribleONE (Post 1484241)
DAMN 395s.. do you rub??

nope, he just bought the ce28n genesis and a lift kit. He's going for the first off road z

kenchan 01-10-2012 04:39 PM

very wide... it is.

VQStryker 01-10-2012 04:40 PM

im lookin at getting the NITTO 555R 2 extremes for the rear and 555's for the front, what do you guys think?

FL 4Motion 01-10-2012 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1484261)
very wide... it is.

rub, it will not. Correct offsets he has.

XwChriswX 01-10-2012 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerribleONE (Post 1484241)
DAMN 395s.. do you rub??

Apparently I rub the keys the wrong way... damn fat fingers... :icon17:

Quote:

Originally Posted by VQStryker (Post 1484257)
nope, he just bought the ce28n genesis and a lift kit. He's going for the first off road z

:bowrofl: :inoutroflpuke:


Quote:

Originally Posted by VQStryker (Post 1484263)
im lookin at getting the NITTO 555R 2 extremes for the rear and 555's for the front, what do you guys think?

Don't mix-match tires. You'll want 4 of the same brand/model. Otherwise your cornering will be very odd, and mixed traction on mixed surfaces - unsafe. :ugh2:

Quote:

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 1484265)
rub, it will not. Correct offsets he has.

:tup:

VQStryker 01-10-2012 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 1484280)
Don't mix-match tires. You'll want 4 of the same brand/model. Otherwise your cornering will be very odd, and mixed traction on mixed surfaces - unsafe. :ugh2:


:tup: thank you! ill get all 4 nitto 555r 2 extreme, think ill place that order now. I went with ssr type-f 18x9.5 +22 and 18x10.5 +15 flat black. Better for racing and cheaper, plus they are not rare so no worries if they get dinged :)

XwChriswX 01-10-2012 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VQStryker (Post 1484303)
:tup: thank you! ill get all 4 nitto 555r 2 extreme, think ill place that order now. I went with ssr type-f 18x9.5 +22 and 18x10.5 +15 flat black. Better for racing and cheaper, plus they are not rare so no worries if they get dinged :)

I was curious what you had ended up going with since you were letting the Gen's go... The boxes gave me an idea, but wasn't 100% sure.

I demandz pics! :yum:

I'm looking at getting the Michelin 970AS' if you're looking for an All Season tire, might wanna give those a peek.

VQStryker 01-10-2012 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 1484310)
I was curious what you had ended up going with since you were letting the Gen's go... The boxes gave me an idea, but wasn't 100% sure.

I demandz pics! :yum:

I'm looking at getting the Michelin 970AS' if you're looking for an All Season tire, might wanna give those a peek.

no, just want a hardcore semi-sticky tire. This car isnt my DD no more and im PROBABLY going to get a trailer for it, expensive tires and nails don't do good in you pockets. My car just got shipped and no camera, as you can see in my album I have A LOT of work ahead of me :tup:

I'm looking forward to seeing them on your car.

Now im looking for coilovers(hks) camber kit and oil cooler. I'll be set after that

TerribleONE 01-10-2012 05:07 PM

I had to have some fun while still at work.. haha I cant wait to pick up my tires for my volks.. maybe by then I'll be able to pick up some RE-11s...

post a review on those HKS coils.. I was thinking of trying them as I had the KW3'S on my G..

XwChriswX 01-10-2012 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VQStryker (Post 1484320)
no, just want a hardcore semi-sticky tire. This car isnt my DD no more and im PROBABLY going to get a trailer for it, expensive tires and nails don't do good in you pockets. My car just got shipped and no camera, as you can see in my album I have A LOT of work ahead of me :tup:

I'm looking forward to seeing them on your car.

Now im looking for coilovers(hks) camber kit and oil cooler. I'll be set after that

There's a slightly used set of KWv3's for sale right now. Unless you want a new set, they're the best I've seen. I use them myself. :tup:

Right now we've got SPC and SPL camber arms, SPC is what I have and they took the 'offroading' I did and no bends. I've heard some people having problems with the SPL's coming loose on track events.. :ugh2:

And for Oil Coolers, the Z1 kit is the best bang for your buck with the option to just upgrade your cooler size later on.

VQStryker 01-10-2012 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 1484322)
There's a slightly used set of KWv3's for sale right now. Unless you want a new set, they're the best I've seen. I use them myself. :tup:

Right now we've got SPC and SPL camber arms, SPC is what I have and they took the 'offroading' I did and no bends. I've heard some people having problems with the SPL's coming loose on track events.. :ugh2:

And for Oil Coolers, the Z1 kit is the best bang for your buck with the option to just upgrade your cooler size later on.

I glad to hear your offroading adventures are going well :eekdance: lol

Ill do some looking when I get back from the gym but I did notice the KW for sale but wanted to compare the spring rates to the HKS and durability.

The Z1 kit I have looked into. I like the options they provide along with the quality.

XwChriswX 01-10-2012 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VQStryker (Post 1484329)
I glad to hear your offroading adventures are going well :eekdance: lol

Ill do some looking when I get back from the gym but I did notice the KW for sale but wanted to compare the spring rates to the HKS and durability.

The Z1 kit I have looked into. I like the options they provide along with the quality.

LoL Yeah, it was fun, but I wouldn't recommend it to the masses. :icon17:

I've heard reviews from people who had the HKS and switched to the KW's that LOVE the KW's, but again each review is based on that persons likes/dislikes... But when I got mine, I really couldn't pass up the deal I got. So that swayed me a bit, but I've been happy with them ever since.

FL 4Motion 01-10-2012 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VQStryker (Post 1484303)
:tup: thank you! ill get all 4 nitto 555r 2 extreme, think ill place that order now. I went with ssr type-f 18x9.5 +22 and 18x10.5 +15 flat black. Better for racing and cheaper, plus they are not rare so no worries if they get dinged :)

/\ nice. I really like those ssr type f's alot. flat black is goiing to look mean. :tup:

FL 4Motion 01-10-2012 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 1484332)
LoL Yeah, it was fun, but I wouldn't recommend it to the masses. :icon17:

I've heard reviews from people who had the HKS and switched to the KW's that LOVE the KW's, but again each review is based on that persons likes/dislikes... But when I got mine, I really couldn't pass up the deal I got. So that swayed me a bit, but I've been happy with them ever since.

Chris,
I saw you mentioned goingwith some all seasons next. I would highly recommend keeping UHP summers on and simply picking up a set of cheap wheels and putting some true winter tires on for the few months you'll need them. I'm afraid that after being used ot PSS's, you're going to be very frustrated at the "crappiness" of any of the all seasons.

XwChriswX 01-10-2012 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 1484442)
Chris,
I saw you mentioned goingwith some all seasons next. I would highly recommend keeping UHP summers on and simply picking up a set of cheap wheels and putting some true winter tires on for the few months you'll need them. I'm afraid that after being used ot PSS's, you're going to be very frustrated at the "crappiness" of any of the all seasons.

Which is why I'm looking at staying with Michelin, their AS' have almost the same performance characteristics of the PSS' so it's almost like you don't really loose a lot. Plus I can't afford to be hindered by hard rain if I have to be somewhere...

I'm planning on getting a set of wheels for Tracking (18's) and those will have sticky tires, and the All seasons would go on my 19's. I dunno what to do really... :rofl2: I'm just tired of hassle haha.

FL 4Motion 01-10-2012 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 1484494)
Which is why I'm looking at staying with Michelin, their AS' have almost the same performance characteristics of the PSS' so it's almost like you don't really loose a lot. Plus I can't afford to be hindered by hard rain if I have to be somewhere...

I'm planning on getting a set of wheels for Tracking (18's) and those will have sticky tires, and the All seasons would go on my 19's. I dunno what to do really... :rofl2: I'm just tired of hassle haha.

ahh, well if you are going with a dedicated set of track wheel/tires, then disregard what I said. :tup:

XwChriswX 01-10-2012 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 1484501)
ahh, well if you are going with a dedicated set of track wheel/tires, then disregard what I said. :tup:

I prolly could use them for dedicated winter wheels too, being as most snowy tires are common in 18's rather than 19's. But we don't get that much Snow here. I just have to worry about heavy rains.

brucelidat 01-10-2012 07:19 PM

5) tread life from member experiences: Spohn expects 10-12,000 miles out of them including multiple track days. Pretty darn good in my opinion.

Ouch, that would be a new set of tires every year for me then since the Z's my DD. Might even be less than a year....

kenchan 01-10-2012 07:44 PM

I think you will like the DW's.

brucelidat 01-10-2012 07:52 PM

I'll probably track maybe 4-5 times a year though. Re-11s seem to be the best for grip and handling.

brucelidat 01-10-2012 08:54 PM

I don't need new tires yet. I just wanted to create a consolidated thread for tires.


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