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rreign 05-18-2009 11:01 AM

What tires are you running?
 
After a long and drawn out process of elimination, I have decided on Work Gnosis GS2
19x9.5 +20 275/35/19 front
19x10.5 +27 305/30/19 rear

I have to pick tires now because I haven't found anyone that sells a staggered Work setup with tires, that I want. So I am trying to figure out a good all season tire that I can get in the specs mentioned above. I need any input you guys can offer. Thanks

wstar 05-18-2009 11:36 AM

By all-season do you mean friendly in light snowy conditions, or just handling rain ok? I'm planning to use Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 down here, but there's zero chance of snow. I used them for years on my previous car, excellent dry and pretty damn good wet traction for street use.

Edit: the other nice aspect of the PS2's is they come in tons of sizes. It's hard to find wheels they don't make a size for.

rreign 05-18-2009 11:40 AM

Well, I should have been a little more specific. I want high performance all season tires. I live in South Carolina and I'm pretty damn sure that it won't snow any time soon. Also how much should I be looking at spending for all 4 tires?

wstar 05-18-2009 11:48 AM

For street use with no snow, that's what I recommend, the PS2s. Tire opinions vary though, I'm sure others have their favorites as well. Going by tirerack.com prices, you can expect to pay around $350-400 per corner for the PS2s.

Also on tirerack.com, here's a comparison chart they maintain on max performance summer tires (which the PS2 falls into). These are based on owner's ratings and reports. The PS2 tops the list on everything but wet performance, where it ranks #3 just under to different models of Goodyear Eagle F1's: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...ll&sortValue=0

ChrisSlicks 05-18-2009 12:57 PM

You don't need all season unless the temperature is below 40 in the winter. Based on where you are I would probably go with a summer tire that has a good wet performance rating.

FuszNissan 05-18-2009 01:10 PM

I have always ran Potenz Pole Positions.

Chupacabra 05-18-2009 01:14 PM

I will stick to the stocks.

I love the PS2's but they seem to run out to quick. great traction, but not worth the life they carry.

wstar 05-18-2009 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chupacabra (Post 74546)
I will stick to the stocks.

I love the PS2's but they seem to run out to quick. great traction, but not worth the life they carry.

It's true, PS2's are an expensive habit. Traction and treadwear are always a tradeoff though. If you see a tire claiming to be great at both, they're lying about something. The PS2's last about as well as can be expected from something of this grip level on the street.

JoeyD 05-18-2009 02:45 PM

Since you asked for All-Season tires I will comment. First of all, the benefits of an all season tire are far more than traction in below 40F. All season tires have harder tread compounds that are applied in deeper treads; all amounting to a high performance tire that last MUCH longer than any summer tire. A/S tires also post great wet traction in comparison to there summer counterparts, again because of the deeper tread depth. My recommendation is for Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus. I've run them on my 370Z for about 4k miles and have been pleased so far. They aren't cheap, but they are comparable the standard PS2s. They will offer greatly extended tire life. Another great alternative is the Pirelli PZero M&S. Again, this tire posts great traction and tread life. I've driven on the Pirelli for 50k miles easily (but not on my Z) and I was always happy with it's performance. That being said the Michelin is a better tire.

wstar 05-18-2009 02:57 PM

Yeah maybe it's just driver preference or something, but I've never seen the point to true 'All-season' tires on a sportscar. I use 'summer' tires like the PS2 year round since the wet performance is decent, and I always slow down a bit in the rain anyways. I might have a different opinion if we actually saw freezing weather more than 1-2 nights a year though, much less snow.

rreign 05-18-2009 04:24 PM

I appreciate all of your input. The reason I am looking into all weather is because it does get below 40 here in the winter, it just doesn't snow. It rains a lot in the spring and summer and gets hot as hell. I want good tread life too. I dunno, I know you get what you pay for, but I can't see spending 300-400 a corner. That's rediculous! I don't track and I don't race, well on the street anyway. I need something in the $150 - $250 range per.

sensi09 05-18-2009 04:33 PM

If you run a 275/30 up front, you can get Bridgestone RE-11s. Definitely not an all-season tire, but will offer superior performance to the PS2s while also being less expensive.

I also like the Bridgestone RE050A pole positions. They are superior to the stock RE050As and offer similar dry performance to the PS2s.

If "all-season" meaning mostly wet weather performance, the Goodyear GS-D3s or Goodyear assymetrics would be a top choice.

If you're stuck on those sizes though, most of these recommended tires will be out the door. In those sizes, the Advan sports, which are a good tire, would be one of the few tires available.

sensi09 05-18-2009 04:37 PM

Hmm, at roughly $200 per tire, you can get something along the lines of a Kuhmo SPT or yokohoma s-drive. Decent tires that are fine for daily driving, but will sacrifice performance compared to stock.

The Vredestein ultrac sessanta are well-priced and popular on other many forums. Don't think I'd run them myself though.

Personally, I'd rather run smaller sizes with a better tire than go wider with a lesser performing tire.

rreign 05-18-2009 05:11 PM

Does anyone know about the Nitto Invo tires? I have done a little more research and they are just about in my price range. A little more of a straight performance tire, but I think it would do well as a good all around all year tire, atleast in this area.

rreign 05-18-2009 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sensi09 (Post 74622)
If you run a 275/30 up front, you can get Bridgestone RE-11s. Definitely not an all-season tire, but will offer superior performance to the PS2s while also being less expensive.

I also like the Bridgestone RE050A pole positions. They are superior to the stock RE050As and offer similar dry performance to the PS2s.

If "all-season" meaning mostly wet weather performance, the Goodyear GS-D3s or Goodyear assymetrics would be a top choice.

If you're stuck on those sizes though, most of these recommended tires will be out the door. In those sizes, the Advan sports, which are a good tire, would be one of the few tires available.

I know what you mean about the sizes I want. I have found some awesome tires at a reletively good price but then they didn't have the sizes I wanted. The Nittos I just mentioned have the right sizes I want, free shipping, and are right near my price range. I'm hoping to hear some good things from you guys about them. Also I agree with you about not wanting to "downgrade" from the performance the Z already has. That's why I'm here doing the research and asking the questions lol

shabarivas 05-18-2009 05:30 PM

R888s for me :) cant wait for the stockers to melt :p

rreign 05-18-2009 05:34 PM

I'm looking for a little less expensive

+1 on those tires though

shabarivas 05-18-2009 05:37 PM

I ran some Toyo T1Rs on my G and they were close to the same stock spec on the Z - you can find em for 1000 for all corners shipped :)

rreign 05-18-2009 05:40 PM

That's more in my price range! I'll have to check em out. We'll see if they have my size

ChrisSlicks 05-18-2009 05:45 PM

Someone here bought some Nitto Invo's a month or so ago. Do a search see if you can find him.

rreign 05-18-2009 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 74646)
Someone here bought some Nitto Invo's a month or so ago. Do a search see if you can find him.


I did the search and the only person I found with pics and input on the Invo's was you. So are those yours? If so how do you like them? What'd you pay etc.

bluzman 05-18-2009 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeyD (Post 74582)
My recommendation is for Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus. I've run them on my 370Z for about 4k miles and have been pleased so far. They aren't cheap, but they are comparable the standard PS2s.

IIRC, when I checked on these, it didn't seem like they were available in 225/50R18 (stock size for fronts on Touring without Sport package) although the rears were listed (245/45R18). Did I just miss them somehow?

ChrisSlicks 05-18-2009 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rreign (Post 74660)
I did the search and the only person I found with pics and input on the Invo's was you. So are those yours? If so how do you like them? What'd you pay etc.

No, I have Bridgestone RE-11's and Nitto NT01's. The Bridgestone's wouldn't be my first choice as a street tire, they are designed for street class auto-cross. The NT01's are grooved race tires.

Mike at DDM bought the Invo's for his street tires, also Lou at Amplified has them as well.

rreign 05-18-2009 09:21 PM

Thanks man. I couldn't find anything that they posted, but I'll have to get up with them.

rreign 05-21-2009 11:59 AM

So I have decided that I needed to revamp my idea of the Work wheels. The expense of the custom make plus the wheel itself and shipping came to $3100 and that's without buying tires. I have decided to go with Forgestar F05s Two-Tone. 19x9 (F) and 19x10 (R) I will also be going with Nitto Invo 265/35s (F) and 285/30s (R) Total price will be around $2500. I save $600 and get everything I want/need for a great set-up!

shabarivas 05-21-2009 04:06 PM

Hmm dont like the F14's? And you should really get a 10 up front and a 11 in the rear... its a waste of space!!!!!

rreign 05-21-2009 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabarivas (Post 76160)
Hmm dont like the F14's? And you should really get a 10 up front and a 11 in the rear... its a waste of space!!!!!

I really like the lip on the rear wheels. To me, they look way more agressive. Any particular reason you think I should go with 10/11 in comparison to 9/10 ?? I was going for more practicality and performance than looks.

sensi09 05-26-2009 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 74703)
No, I have Bridgestone RE-11's and Nitto NT01's. The Bridgestone's wouldn't be my first choice as a street tire, they are designed for street class auto-cross. The NT01's are grooved race tires.

Mike at DDM bought the Invo's for his street tires, also Lou at Amplified has them as well.

I don't think the RE-11s are objectionable for the street. Noise and ride comfort are on par with the RE050A IMO. Tread wear is a concern, but if they are inline with the RE01Rs, then it should be decent.

The RE-11s have a treadwear rating of 180 which is actually higher than the RE050As. The RE050A are listed at 140 for some sizes.

ChrisSlicks 05-26-2009 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sensi09 (Post 78644)
I don't think the RE-11s are objectionable for the street. Noise and ride comfort are on par with the RE050A IMO. Tread wear is a concern, but if they are inline with the RE01Rs, then it should be decent.

The RE-11s have a treadwear rating of 180 which is actually higher than the RE050As. The RE050A are listed at 140 for some sizes.

I was willing to make a compromise as a street tire, these are primarily being used for street class auto-cross. My tires will last 1 year if I'm lucky. They aren't the quietest tire as they are wide, but they aren't any worse than the stock RE050A's.

Musashi 05-28-2009 06:40 AM

for the street im running stock sizes on the sport wheel. Nittos Nt-05's they really put the power down. Track tested also, much better then the bridgestones...

wstar 05-28-2009 08:17 AM

I'm actually having a pretty hard time finding any street-compatible tires to fit 18x10 front and 18x11 rear. Obviously I found some options with the Michelin PS2, but I was hoping to find other alternatives to compare, and most of the street-compatible performance tires out there simple don't come in wide enough sizes. At best you can find 295's, which is right at the bottom of edge of a good size for the 11s. Ideally I'd like to be using 285+305 I think, but that size combo is hard to find.

Musashi 05-28-2009 08:30 AM

Those are some nice wheel sizes! what wheels are you using?

wstar 05-28-2009 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musashi (Post 79935)
Those are some nice wheel sizes! what wheels are you using?

This is for the Forgestar F-14's Mike@DDM is ordering in 18" sizes. I think I may just end up running 285/30 front and 315/30 rear in the PS2, and setting the (aftermarket) rear sway to its stiffest setting, and just see how the understeer goes. My main concern with that setup is the revs-per-mile matching, as the front tire will be shorter than the rear by a non-negligible amount (817 revs per mile in the rear, 840 in the front). Of course, I have no idea how much difference is 'non-negligible' for our VDC/ABS system. I wish Nissan published specs on what % difference it can adapt to.

ChrisSlicks 05-28-2009 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wstar (Post 79938)
This is for the Forgestar F-14's Mike@DDM is ordering in 18" sizes. I think I may just end up running 285/30 front and 315/30 rear in the PS2, and setting the (aftermarket) rear sway to its stiffest setting, and just see how the understeer goes. My main concern with that setup is the revs-per-mile matching, as the front tire will be shorter than the rear by a non-negligible amount (817 revs per mile in the rear, 840 in the front). Of course, I have no idea how much difference is 'non-negligible' for our VDC/ABS system. I wish Nissan published specs on what % difference it can adapt to.

This is about 1%, about the same as what I have now. Should be fine, my VDC is still active and fully functional.

Just do a couple of burn-outs to shrink the rear tires (j/k)

Musashi 05-28-2009 10:24 AM

What's the release date on those wheels? I like what I'm reading...

sensi09 05-28-2009 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musashi (Post 79891)
for the street im running stock sizes on the sport wheel. Nittos Nt-05's they really put the power down. Track tested also, much better then the bridgestones...


I'm considering the NT-05s as my next tire, but I wouldn't say they're better than the bridgestones or other tires in this class.

ChrisSlicks 05-28-2009 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musashi (Post 79990)
What's the release date on those wheels? I like what I'm reading...

No definite dates, towards the end of June is what we're hearing.

pluckyduck 05-28-2009 01:12 PM

I had Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 on my 350Z and they were awesome tires. So much more grip than the stock Potenzas. Wet pavement performance was also far superior to the Potenzas.

wstar 05-29-2009 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pluckyduck (Post 80109)
I had Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 on my 350Z and they were awesome tires. So much more grip than the stock Potenzas. Wet pavement performance was also far superior to the Potenzas.

I've heard good things about those too, although I've never personally used them. They're out of the picture for me though as they don't come in wide enough sizes afaics.

Shift 06-02-2009 08:06 PM

Waiting for the Nitto's to come in 275F/305R. However I found out that when they list supply numbers low really means One in stock.
Figured I'd try them for my weekend ride.


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