My Personal take on the Forged Specialties Dilemma...

W.O.W. 370Z · 11-18-2011, 01:39 PM

Another vendor to the rescue lol

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NeverBoneStck · 11-18-2011, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phelan

at this point i would do a lot of thread merging / cleanup on the original thread. it's all a bit convoluted right now, but at least it was resolved. just...not positively.

Um what has been resolved ???

phelan · 11-18-2011, 01:55 PM

you got new wheels

don't get me wrong, this whole FS thing is ridiculous; i hope you like the strasse wheels

bullitt5897 · 11-18-2011, 02:41 PM

To the readers of this thread. If your interested in wheels from a company please ask if their wheels have been tested...

whoLEEoh · 11-18-2011, 03:55 PM

so now that you got a customer by your crooked sales tactics which people complain about yet do themselves, can u close the thread?

bullitt5897 · 11-18-2011, 06:05 PM

Lol... Whatever Julio.

You seem to be really close to Chris and crew. I started this thread to air out the facts. Blaine came to me because I was trying to help him out and he had already talked to me about wheels before forged specialties showed up! He turned down my offers before because Chris sold cheaper wheels to the point no 3 piece wheel company could compete... Well below my costs! Blaine is a stand up guy and a good customer... A customer I have been talking to for a long time. You can go back to Chris and tell him more info to what's going on here as I already know you do...

whoLEEoh · 11-18-2011, 06:31 PM

Bullet. You know what u did which is why u edited some posts. That's all. I'm neutral.

NeverBoneStck · 11-18-2011, 06:48 PM

I cannot believe that wholeeoh would Evan think about slamming Mike.. I was talking to Mike about wheels before I bought from Chris . Chris said that his wheels are far more superior and that he can get his wheels for a cheaper price .. I fell for it .. So if anyone has shady sales tactics it is Chris .. We know the rest of the story ..

ZgavewaytoG · 11-19-2011, 02:12 PM

Blaine, I've been following your thread on MYG37. The whole situation sucks, but I didn't know how widespread the problem was until I saw the thread here, the pics of those stress cracks, a posting on FB, the Gencoupe thread, Mustang thread, and BMW thread. Holy $hit!! The power of the internet can make or break a company overnight!

On a sidenote: it's good to see a few of my fellow G members congregating here!

fairladyZ34 · 11-19-2011, 03:14 PM

theres mad Gs in here!

NeverBoneStck · 11-19-2011, 03:54 PM

There is a lot of G on here .. A lot of great info on this forum..

smokejr · 11-19-2011, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bullitt@UAMotorsports

To the readers of this thread. If your interested in wheels from a company please ask if their wheels have been tested...

As in the actual wheels they would be shipping to you???

bullitt5897 · 11-19-2011, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokejr

As in the actual wheels they would be shipping to you???

As in the design...

I am using Strasse as an example since I know for a fact they test their wheel designs...

When you design a wheel in a CAD program you can apply the physical properties of the material you are using... (For Example: U.S. Aluminum 6061) Once you do this you can look for design flaws in the CAD program (This is a new feature on newer CAD programs and is AWESOME!) This can be done at the initial design level. After you have a design finished you can send a manufactured wheel to an independent company to test several aspects of the wheels strength and rigidity... Some tests they may perform are:

-SAE Radial Fatigue Test
-SAE Cornering Fatigue Test
-Tri and Bi Axial Test
-13 Degree Lateral Impact
-Inner Rim Radial Impact
-90 Degree impact
etc...

This is expensive to the wheel maker but it ensures that what the customer receives as a product will be safe to drive on! Being an informed buyer is the best way to insure that you are getting a good product for your money. So remember to ask if the wheels have been properly tested.

Mike

issforged · 11-22-2011, 11:55 AM

OK so we are not defending anyone or taking any sides!

Just want to put some facts out there for everyone's safety.

Just to state a few reasons why these wheels could have failed. These wheels were refinished multiple times in powder. Not sure if anyone has stripped powder coating but it's not fun. It takes a highly toxic airplane grade acid that burns the sh*t out of you if it comes in contact with the skin. Normally places that powder for profit go the easy route and put a blow torch to the powder making it crack and peal off. In the process of doing this you are heating and reheating a part that is tempered for strength. So the part is no longer 6061-T6 aluminum. Changing the temper on a part usually causes these types of structural failures. (Not saying this is what happen just putting information out there). The point I am trying to get across is; if your tracking your car and want to powder coat your wheels use a low energy powder and a powder coater that is knowledgeable in material handling (Usually the race shops go through this elimination process and know who to use and who not to use). If your just getting your wheels refinished make sure the wheels are going to a place that has the proper facilities to do a chemical strip and that your wheels are not spending an extended period of time in the oven. Stay away from places that use pizza ovens to bake their parts and places that powder steel fences and railings as they don't have the mindset of preserving structural integrity.

What we are posting is based on experience. We are not talking about a specific wheel brand. This is not isolated to 1 wheel manufacture or car. Even tested wheels will fail if not handled properly. We spend a lot of time on the track and this is knowledge we have accumulated through testing and experience.

Hope this helps!

Red__Zed · 11-22-2011, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370Fitment

OK so we are not defending anyone or taking any sides!

Just want to put some facts out there for everyone's safety.

Just to state a few reasons why these wheels could have failed. These wheels were refinished multiple times in powder. Not sure if anyone has stripped powder coating but it's not fun. It takes a highly toxic airplane grade acid that burns the sh*t out of you if it comes in contact with the skin. Normally places that powder for profit go the easy route and put a blow torch to the powder making it crack and peal off. In the process of doing this you are heating and reheating a part that is tempered for strength. So the part is no longer 6061-T6 aluminum. Changing the temper on a part usually causes these types of structural failures. (Not saying this is what happen just putting information out there). The point I am trying to get across is; if your tracking your car and want to powder coat your wheels use a low energy powder and a powder coater that is knowledgeable in material handling (Usually the race shops go through this elimination process and know who to use and who not to use). If your just getting your wheels refinished make sure the wheels are going to a place that has the proper facilities to do a chemical strip and that your wheels are not spending an extended period of time in the oven. Stay away from places that use pizza ovens to bake their parts and places that powder steel fences and railings as they don't have the mindset of preserving structural integrity.

What we are posting is based on experience. We are not talking about a specific wheel brand. This is not isolated to 1 wheel manufacture or car. Even tested wheels will fail if not handled properly. We spend a lot of time on the track and this is knowledge we have accumulated through testing and experience.

Hope this helps!

very true. wheels get ruined by bad processes all the time

11-18-2011, 01:55 PM	#78 (permalink)
phelan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Age: 38 Posts: 9,513 Drives: Scoobaroo Rep Power: 3406	you got new wheels don't get me wrong, this whole FS thing is ridiculous; i hope you like the strasse wheels __________________ 凛 ('Rin') - 2009 Nissan 370Z With silence comes peace. With peace comes freedom. With freedom comes silence.

11-18-2011, 02:41 PM	#79 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3682	To the readers of this thread. If your interested in wheels from a company please ask if their wheels have been tested... __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

11-18-2011, 03:55 PM	#80 (permalink)
whoLEEoh Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Miami,FL Posts: 647 Drives: 2010 370z NISMO Rep Power: 16	so now that you got a customer by your crooked sales tactics which people complain about yet do themselves, can u close the thread? __________________ 2013 Boss 302

11-18-2011, 06:05 PM	#81 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3682	Lol... Whatever Julio. You seem to be really close to Chris and crew. I started this thread to air out the facts. Blaine came to me because I was trying to help him out and he had already talked to me about wheels before forged specialties showed up! He turned down my offers before because Chris sold cheaper wheels to the point no 3 piece wheel company could compete... Well below my costs! Blaine is a stand up guy and a good customer... A customer I have been talking to for a long time. You can go back to Chris and tell him more info to what's going on here as I already know you do... __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

11-18-2011, 06:31 PM	#82 (permalink)
whoLEEoh Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Miami,FL Posts: 647 Drives: 2010 370z NISMO Rep Power: 16	Bullet. You know what u did which is why u edited some posts. That's all. I'm neutral. __________________ 2013 Boss 302

11-18-2011, 01:39 PM	#76 (permalink)
W.O.W. 370Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Miami Posts: 1,757 Drives: 2010 Touring Sport Z Rep Power: 19	Another vendor to the rescue lol Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk

11-18-2011, 06:48 PM	#83 (permalink)
NeverBoneStck A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Beaverton, Or Posts: 1,110 Drives: 2008 G37 S Rep Power: 18	I cannot believe that wholeeoh would Evan think about slamming Mike.. I was talking to Mike about wheels before I bought from Chris . Chris said that his wheels are far more superior and that he can get his wheels for a cheaper price .. I fell for it .. So if anyone has shady sales tactics it is Chris .. We know the rest of the story .. __________________ Juiced! That is all you need to know !!

11-19-2011, 02:12 PM	#84 (permalink)
ZgavewaytoG Base Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 5 Drives: 08 Infiniti G37 cpe. Rep Power: 14	Blaine, I've been following your thread on MYG37. The whole situation sucks, but I didn't know how widespread the problem was until I saw the thread here, the pics of those stress cracks, a posting on FB, the Gencoupe thread, Mustang thread, and BMW thread. Holy $hit!! The power of the internet can make or break a company overnight! On a sidenote: it's good to see a few of my fellow G members congregating here!

11-19-2011, 03:14 PM	#85 (permalink)
fairladyZ34 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Central NJ Posts: 1,577 Drives: 08 G37S Black M6 Rep Power: 19	theres mad Gs in here! __________________ From Z to G to BMW and back to a G! Nismo for life

11-19-2011, 03:54 PM	#86 (permalink)
NeverBoneStck A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Beaverton, Or Posts: 1,110 Drives: 2008 G37 S Rep Power: 18	There is a lot of G on here .. A lot of great info on this forum.. __________________ Juiced! That is all you need to know !!

11-22-2011, 11:55 AM	#89 (permalink)
issforged Track Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 668 Drives: '10 Nismo Rep Power: 15	OK so we are not defending anyone or taking any sides! Just want to put some facts out there for everyone's safety. Just to state a few reasons why these wheels could have failed. These wheels were refinished multiple times in powder. Not sure if anyone has stripped powder coating but it's not fun. It takes a highly toxic airplane grade acid that burns the sh*t out of you if it comes in contact with the skin. Normally places that powder for profit go the easy route and put a blow torch to the powder making it crack and peal off. In the process of doing this you are heating and reheating a part that is tempered for strength. So the part is no longer 6061-T6 aluminum. Changing the temper on a part usually causes these types of structural failures. (Not saying this is what happen just putting information out there). The point I am trying to get across is; if your tracking your car and want to powder coat your wheels use a low energy powder and a powder coater that is knowledgeable in material handling (Usually the race shops go through this elimination process and know who to use and who not to use). If your just getting your wheels refinished make sure the wheels are going to a place that has the proper facilities to do a chemical strip and that your wheels are not spending an extended period of time in the oven. Stay away from places that use pizza ovens to bake their parts and places that powder steel fences and railings as they don't have the mindset of preserving structural integrity. What we are posting is based on experience. We are not talking about a specific wheel brand. This is not isolated to 1 wheel manufacture or car. Even tested wheels will fail if not handled properly. We spend a lot of time on the track and this is knowledge we have accumulated through testing and experience. Hope this helps!

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