Traction problems?

ImportConvert

Northern Arkansas...

1. Economy is slightly depressed, the towns are not expanding rapidly, I want to live near town without being enveloped soon. I like living on 40-60 acres and miss it from my childhood. Services will be cheaper due to repressed economy, me working in healthcare won't get hit too hard by it.

2. I LOVE the scenery.

3. Last time I was there, the people were very friendly. Don't believe all the inbreeding jokes you hear about that state, they only apply to the southern half I think.

4. Some of my best friends moved there. Every time I make friends here in LA, they get sick of the area and leave.


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Back on topic, the Camaro SS in 3rd gear at 4500rpm is putting down around 1800# of torque to the rear tires once gearing from trans and diff and 370wtq at 4500rpm (taken from a dyno sheet) are figured in.

The 370Z is only putting down @ 1379.

The tires on the 370Z are superior to what GM puts on the Camaro.

The longer wheel-base should serve to hurt weight transfer in the Camaro.

The front-weight bias of the Camaro should FURTHER hamper it.

Yet it's planted, according to one poster, when his NISMO spins (3rd gear).

The ONLY!* logical thing to fall back on is Work being a factor of Time AND! Energy There is no other assumption to be made than that when the go-pedal in the 370Z is depressed, the maximum available power hits the rear wheels over a shorter time-span than when the same occurs in the Camaro, shortening the time-frame available for the car to load the rear suspension and transfer weight/gain traction.

*I could not find spring-rates for a stock Camaro SS and 370Z, so I am unable to hypothesize about this variable which WOULD factor.

m4a1mustang

A hard 2-3 shift should light the tires up easily in the Z.

If the SS is an auto that 2-3 shift is going to be slow and smooth.

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ChrisSlicks

The PZero's are much better in low temps than the Bridgestone's despite both being Summer compounds.

If you have traction control turned on that would be the main reason. The GM traction control in the Camaro is actually pretty good. Turn it off though and the Camaro lays rubber for 100 ft.

As for the OP - Bridgestone's in Maine in November? Should be fun today as that low pressure front moves through and drops and inch of snow. You either won't move, won't stop or won't turn, time for some winter wheels if you are going to keep driving it.

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m4a1mustang

True, the PZeros are a hell of a tire.

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ImportConvert

I just don't understand why. I have NEVER owned a car in the 370Z's power-range that a good 2-3 shift would light them up on. My WS6, my Z06, the ZR1's I drove at Spring Mountain. NOTHING. I do not comprehend

m4a1mustang

Shift harder!

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ImportConvert

Already blew the rear end out of the WS6 (oddly it let go while backing out of the drive-way, lol)

kenchan

Red__Zed

2-3 will go even in an s2000.


Which leads me to believe....you are granny shifting...



...not double clutching like ya should!

m4a1mustang

It takes IC 3 years to figure out what car he wants. It only makes sense that he shifts are slowowowow. I bet he's a Rebecca Black fan:

Shifting into fourth gear, shifting into third gear, which gear should I take?

It's redline, redline, shifting gears at redline....

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Red__Zed

Z is 6k f / 8k r

280z/300zx

The Camaro is a 6-speed. The traction control on it is much better compared to the Z but I very rarely see the light on the dash come on. Even with traction control off the car is very easy to launch compared to the Z.

As for the roads here that some one mentioned, they do tend to be a bit bumpy and I would also say dusty (It is Vegas afterall). Doing a quick 2nd-3rd shift will definetly cause traction control to go on but it will continue to flash going up to redline. I've even done a 3rd gear rolling start where it kicks in as well. Perhaps it's the roads here and partially due to the stock tires on the Z. Either way it's one of the worse traction oriented cars I've had. Previously had a C6 Vette and that car was even easier to handle with regards to traction. With the Vette you really had to abuse it to get squirly while traction control was on.

Then again I got spoiled by my previous WRX. That car was an absolute dream when it came to traction; wet or dry.

kenchan

not really. thing understeers pretty badly.

ChrisSlicks

On the GM system the traction light doesn't illuminate at the first level of intervention. A bit weird but that's the way they designed it. Given that it is less aggressive at that first level of correction it is also barely detectable. On the other side of the coin the Z's traction control system was designed by Nazi's, "Nein! Sie spinnen nicht! No power for you!". A tiny chirp and you have to wait a painful 3 seconds while the flashing light tells you off and you sit there looking like a fool.

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m4a1mustang

So true

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