Broken wheel stud and lug nut.

tru_Asiatik · 04-28-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

That McGard part shouldn't really be used as it doesn't have the washer nor a tapered end.

it did come with washers same one semtex has on his pic
does it matter if the ends are tapered????

ChrisSlicks · 04-28-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tru_Asiatik

it did come with washers same one semtex has on his pic
does it matter if the ends are tapered????

The taper helps to center the stud (not wheel). Probably not a huge deal when you have 4 other lugs already doing this, but it would have been better to get the ones from courtesy nissan.

tru_Asiatik · 04-28-2009, 11:33 PM

^^well im heading out to their dealership(im local) next week so ill go check it out
i just didnt want to spend another $40-$50 dollars for another set if the mcgards would work ok i ordered them befor the nissan ones came out
but thanks for the heads up

semtex · 04-29-2009, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

The taper helps to center the wheel. Probably not a huge deal when you have 4 other lugs already doing this, but it would have been better to get the ones from courtesy nissan.

I disagree. The taper makes zero contact with the wheel -- you can see this if you just take off one of your stock lugs and look closely at where the marks/scratches are. The taper is completely irrelevant. What centers the wheel is the hub, not the lug nuts. Hence the term 'hub-centric', as in hub-centric wheel spacers, for example. Think about it. Mount your wheel, but before putting any lug nuts on, if you move the wheel side to side, do the walls of the holes bang into the studs? No, they don't, because they're already centered.

I do agree that it's better to get the ones from Courtesy, now that they're finally available (I got my McGards before the 'real' ones were available). If you've already got the McGards, however, I see no reason to waste your money on ordering another set from Courtesy. I've had mine on for 4 months now without any problem whatsoever.

ChrisSlicks · 04-29-2009, 09:38 AM

There are two sized holes in the wheel for each stud and the taper can touch the smaller of these holes, although with the washer style nuts it will probably never touch as the washer will make contact with the flat area first. Even with hub-centric wheels there can be a small amount of rotational play on the studs, on ours it is extremely minimal if non-existent. Hub-centric means that the wheel self centers over the hub (i.e. tight fitting hub) rather than being centered by the lugs. I wasn't suggesting that this was a lug-centered setup but rather that the taper could help to center the hole opening on the stud to stop it from crushing the threads with rotational movement. The McGards at least are the correct length and have the washer area so they are 10x better than what most of us received on our car.

semtex · 04-29-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

There are two sized holes in the wheel for each stud and the taper can touch the smaller of these holes, although with the washer style nuts it will probably never touch as the washer will make contact with the flat area first. Even with hub-centric wheels there can be a small amount of rotational play on the studs, on ours it is extremely minimal if non-existent. Hub-centric means that the wheel self centers over the hub (i.e. tight fitting hub) rather than being centered by the lugs. I wasn't suggesting that this was a lug-centered setup but rather that the taper could help to center the hole opening on the stud to stop it from crushing the threads with rotational movement. The McGards at least are the correct length and have the washer area so they are 10x better than what most of us received on our car.

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

ChrisSlicks · 04-29-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Ah, gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

I re-read my original post and I did definitely mis-speak, (mis-type?). It was late and I was tired

Sorry for getting you wound up and thanks for the edit

tru_Asiatik · 04-29-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex

I disagree. The taper makes zero contact with the wheel -- you can see this if you just take off one of your stock lugs and look closely at where the marks/scratches are. The taper is completely irrelevant. What centers the wheel is the hub, not the lug nuts. Hence the term 'hub-centric', as in hub-centric wheel spacers, for example. Think about it. Mount your wheel, but before putting any lug nuts on, if you move the wheel side to side, do the walls of the holes bang into the studs? No, they don't, because they're already centered.

I do agree that it's better to get the ones from Courtesy, now that they're finally available (I got my McGards before the 'real' ones were available). If you've already got the McGards, however, I see no reason to waste your money on ordering another set from Courtesy. I've had mine on for 4 months now without any problem whatsoever.

and thank you for the reassurance

domukin · 05-21-2009, 03:09 PM

Hello all and add me to the count of people experiencing problems with the wrong wheel lock. Got my car in LA 2 weeks ago -- and drove up to Sac to finish work. Car has about 1000 miles and I started hearing a clicking noise from the front left tire while turning right. Dealer up here says the car has the wrong wheel locks.... had them call the LA dealer to pay up for the new part... I really wish I would have found this post earlier.

Question thou --- is it safe to drive on these for 2 days until they get the correct part?? They don't even have the right lug nut to replace the locks here....

wstar · 05-21-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by domukin

Hello all and add me to the count of people experiencing problems with the wrong wheel lock. Got my car in LA 2 weeks ago -- and drove up to Sac to finish work. Car has about 1000 miles and I started hearing a clicking noise from the front left tire while turning right. Dealer up here says the car has the wrong wheel locks.... had them call the LA dealer to pay up for the new part... I really wish I would have found this post earlier.

Question thou --- is it safe to drive on these for 2 days until they get the correct part?? They don't even have the right lug nut to replace the locks here....

I would avoid driving on them. You're basically driving on 4 lugs per wheel until you get the right lugs/locks on there. You could end up breaking a wheel stud, or worse. I wouldn't trust it. If you have to drive it that way, keep the speeds and cornering forces low.

SoCal 370Z · 05-21-2009, 03:12 PM

^^^ +1 Don't be driving it.

ChrisSlicks · 05-21-2009, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by domukin

Hello all and add me to the count of people experiencing problems with the wrong wheel lock. Got my car in LA 2 weeks ago -- and drove up to Sac to finish work. Car has about 1000 miles and I started hearing a clicking noise from the front left tire while turning right. Dealer up here says the car has the wrong wheel locks.... had them call the LA dealer to pay up for the new part... I really wish I would have found this post earlier.

Question thou --- is it safe to drive on these for 2 days until they get the correct part?? They don't even have the right lug nut to replace the locks here....

See if you can get a set of regular nuts to replace the lock nuts temporarily (and don't park anywhere sketchy). You'll be more likely to find them at an Infiniti dealer, but the local Nissan dealer can locate the nearest one with stock and provide you with the correct part number. The nuts are the same as the 09 G37S which has been out for longer.

domukin · 05-21-2009, 06:43 PM

Well, I'll be waiting a couple of days till they get the new wheel locks. They couldn't find replacement lugnuts, even from infiniti. I figured I shouldn't be driving it like this. Interestingly the dealer did t think it was a big deal, gulp...

domukin · 05-23-2009, 02:19 PM

Dealer finally got the JT000's (package said it was for an infiniti G35 i believe- just like the previous pictures posted) and installed them. Clicking sound is gone

I am happy none of them broke.

WShade · 05-23-2009, 10:29 PM

I took delivery this morning and the same deal, wrong locks. So the salesman and I went back to the service department with the proper part number and ordered the correct ones.

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SoCal 370Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: US of A Posts: 2,842 Drives: Answers Rep Power: 33	^^^ +1 Don't be driving it. __________________ ( Click to show/hide ) Why I NEVER say NO to the Panda Lou Fusz!!!

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WShade Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 765 Drives: 09 370Z T/S/N Rep Power: 187	I took delivery this morning and the same deal, wrong locks. So the salesman and I went back to the service department with the proper part number and ordered the correct ones. __________________ Q50S Q60 RS400

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04-29-2009, 09:38 AM	#95 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	There are two sized holes in the wheel for each stud and the taper can touch the smaller of these holes, although with the washer style nuts it will probably never touch as the washer will make contact with the flat area first. Even with hub-centric wheels there can be a small amount of rotational play on the studs, on ours it is extremely minimal if non-existent. Hub-centric means that the wheel self centers over the hub (i.e. tight fitting hub) rather than being centered by the lugs. I wasn't suggesting that this was a lug-centered setup but rather that the taper could help to center the hole opening on the stud to stop it from crushing the threads with rotational movement. The McGards at least are the correct length and have the washer area so they are 10x better than what most of us received on our car.

05-21-2009, 03:09 PM	#99 (permalink)
domukin Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 6 Drives: 2009 370Z Silver AT Rep Power: 16	Hello all and add me to the count of people experiencing problems with the wrong wheel lock. Got my car in LA 2 weeks ago -- and drove up to Sac to finish work. Car has about 1000 miles and I started hearing a clicking noise from the front left tire while turning right. Dealer up here says the car has the wrong wheel locks.... had them call the LA dealer to pay up for the new part... I really wish I would have found this post earlier. Question thou --- is it safe to drive on these for 2 days until they get the correct part?? They don't even have the right lug nut to replace the locks here....

05-21-2009, 06:43 PM	#103 (permalink)
domukin Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 6 Drives: 2009 370Z Silver AT Rep Power: 16	Well, I'll be waiting a couple of days till they get the new wheel locks. They couldn't find replacement lugnuts, even from infiniti. I figured I shouldn't be driving it like this. Interestingly the dealer did t think it was a big deal, gulp...

05-23-2009, 02:19 PM	#104 (permalink)
domukin Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 6 Drives: 2009 370Z Silver AT Rep Power: 16	Dealer finally got the JT000's (package said it was for an infiniti G35 i believe- just like the previous pictures posted) and installed them. Clicking sound is gone I am happy none of them broke.