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Is anyone considering not going staggered? If so what size wheels and tires would you run?

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Old 03-21-2009, 08:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Is anyone considering not going staggered? If so what size wheels and tires would you run?
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Old 03-21-2009, 10:59 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I am planning on going a lot less staggered than stock. I am gonna put 265/35/19 tires up front and keep using 275/35/19 in the rear. Both going to be extreme performance summer tires, Bridgestone RE-11's up front and Nitto NT-05's in the rear.

I wont be doing this until the stock tires go bald so by the time that happens there could be more options in the sizes I want, but this is my plan so far.

That being said, if I was to run a non staggered setup on this car, I would run 19x10 wheels at all 4 corners with 275/35/19 tires at all 4 corners.
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It looks like you could run factory 19x10's with 275.35.19's on all four corners by using a 15mm spacer with longer studs on the fronts.
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Just a little bit more traction, running non-staggered, I like that idea.
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If you track the car with a non stagger you get the added benefit of rotating tires front to rear.
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what does non staggered mean?
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same size rims and tires all around? so that can be rotating?
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I remember reading an article about a 350Z in '03 or '04 that was attempting to build the best handling Z using a ground up approach. I think they managed to cram 295s on all four corners. They claimed it gave the car unrivaled balance (and as someone said already, rotatable tires).
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Its definitely an option, but there are things to take into account......and the Acura didnt do that great either hahaha
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I remember reading an article about a 350Z in '03 or '04 that was attempting to build the best handling Z using a ground up approach. I think they managed to cram 295s on all four corners. They claimed it gave the car unrivaled balance (and as someone said already, rotatable tires).
I think they do the staggered setup mostly to keep the inexperienced drivers out of trouble, i.e. build in understeer. My preference would be for a square setup of 275/35 all around, it will make the car feel a little looser and a little more balanced especially given the extra weight over the front wheels. I'm going to be mounting up some Bridgestone RE-11's later this week so we'll see how that goes. 275's should fit on the the stock 9" fronts just fine (hopefully).
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I think they do the staggered setup mostly to keep the inexperienced drivers out of trouble, i.e. build in understeer. My preference would be for a square setup of 275/35 all around, it will make the car feel a little looser and a little more balanced especially given the extra weight over the front wheels. I'm going to be mounting up some Bridgestone RE-11's later this week so we'll see how that goes. 275's should fit on the the stock 9" fronts just fine (hopefully).

That's not the reason why, although it does result in less grip up front and understeer in most cases.

Let me borrow from Kalmairn at 6MT.net:

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Generally, larger rear tires are used on RWD cars that have significant power output. It's used to balance the power to the dynamics of the suspension/frame.

To a limited extent it improves the braking performance in the rear of the car. As with all vehicles, the majority of braking is from the front but the added grip in the rear will help.

Speaking for the G35...
The larger rear tires allows better application of power and keeps the rear end behind the front end when accelerating in a corner. The G35 Coupe was designed to have a staggered tire layout, changing it to be the same all-around will have a profound impact on the handling characteristics of the car.

If you upsize the front to match the rears you'll find the car to be less responsive up to the limit; at the limit the car will likely let go much quicker than it would in stock form.

If you downsize the rear to match the front you'll find acceleration traction reduced, the car will rotate easier and at lower suspension loads.

As with any performance RWD car, it's best to maintain the stagger.

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That's not the reason why, although it does result in less grip up front and oversteer in most cases.

Let me borrow from Kalmairn at 6MT.net:
True, I agree 100%. But in every day driving(speed limit), would those rules still apply?
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I meant understeer, not oversteer.

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True, I agree 100%. But in every day driving(speed limit), would those rules still apply?
Nothing that involves losing grip relates to everyday normal driving. Unless its snowing, dont worry about losing traction if you are going the speed limit.
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