HERE IS WHAT I WANT A Z FOR.......(QUOTED FROM ABOVE MENTIONED TESTS)

Still, the PS2s pulled an above-average 0.92 g on the skidpad and exhibited a very sure-footed, predictable demeanor. Unlike most of the other tires, the PS2s were responsive to steering inputs at the limit and would tuck back in nicely after their grip was exceeded. Another positive is pleasant ride quality, noted in the street-driving portion.

In the wet, the benchmark PS2s showed their mettle, feeling the most connected to the road and reeling in the quickest lap time—beating the Ling Longs’ dry time—and generating a heady 0.88 g on the skidpad, which was as high as two of the competitors’ best efforts in the dry.

To me....and I guess only me....that is what a Z is all about !!!!!!

You haven't tried RE11, Direzza SS, AD08 and Kumho XS. They are way better than your Michelin

I don't know about the PS2's. I selected the PS A/S Plus because, while super expensive, they provide all weather (only light snow) performance. Winters here are in the 30's and 40's sometimes dipping into the 20's, and it is wet. Summer tires like the PS2 or the Potenza's that came on the car don't seem safe to keep on after October. I didn't find many all-season choices for the Z. But the PS A/S Plus tires get rave reviews. At over $300 bucks each they better!

(Based on opinion)
This test is geared to try and knock the PS2 off the thrown(as it is the benchmark for rating the other tires). Some come close in certain areas, but none have even beaten it out right. It is the benchmark, and im surprised they didn't put in the results it scored, well those could be looked up. My question was pretty much this and you answered it, even though it seems your a bit upset at the other guy.

I also am not a big fan of basing a tire choice off a magazine article, I do understand that people are looking for something better and cheaper, but you have to sacrifice something at some point. I understand not everyone has the money to spend $400 on a a rear tire, and I technically don't either, but im not one that is willing to sacrifice in certain areas to save a few bucks, those couple of areas may save your life. I have a friend who has offered me an amazing deal on Toyo's but im not sure if I will take them. I have never diven Toyo's before.

In my history with PS2's I wont complain for an all around tire that can hold its own with out having to worry about at much. AKA a new better version of the tire came out. Eventually the PS3's will come out, if they call them that.

I think after running them and going through some of the stuff i have gone through with them they have always made a place on any car i own, I might not be able to afford them over and over, but based on my passed history it would be well worth it. I am open to alternatives, for me it really needs to be done on a test that includes all tire standings, including the PS2 in that article those numbers are not there to compare, and or personal experience(driving someone else's car with different tires or swapping wheels).

Thanks for the replies guys(gals to if any chimed in)

I've had Kumhoes XS tire grease up on me/few friends in the mountains, not even at a track, I have not tried the RE11, from what i've heard it is loud, don't want anymore noise then i already have. AD08's and Direzza SS i also have not tried and have heard nothing about, this is my standing.

Yes, i put the ES on the Kumho for a reason, IMHO they are a waste, great value, great for the first couple weeks, once they get broken in or used it is over.

I hope these last two post provide to why i asked about it, in a none agressive manner. Thank you everyone for chiming in.

Mike runs the AD08 and I had the chance of riding with him during a session at Road America this weekend. The AD08s have pretty incredible grip and seemed to hold up nicely the entire 20min session. Whether it was tires, rear wing, driving ability or all of the above...he took the Carousel 10-15mph faster than I could in my Z.

That is a difference, with the rear wing providing more downforce to the rear would cause them to heat up more quickly depending on how he had it set, this is good to know, and based off your mod list are you still on stock rubber or what are you running around the track just for comparison. There are still a lot of variables, but something is better then nothing.

Thanks!

Funny my RE11s are quieter than my RE050a. (not just a little, lots)

Interesting, maybe it is about tire width also, only place i have seen/heard those tires is 225's all four corners on a friends GTI back in 2008 along side my GTI on PS2's. Maybe since the contact patch is wider it produces less noise?

Nope, the stock RE050a are just $hitty tires.

Continental DWS Contact Extreme

:iagree: ps2 will never match them

No im aware the stockers are shitty, i read it out of context, i thought for some reason you were comparing it to the Kumhoes or other tires listed, forgot the stockers were listed.

It is hard to find people that run the Pilot series that dont love them...that has been my experience......

So i think this basically boils down to what toilet paper you wipe your backside with...everyone like different brands, and everyone likes different tires for different reasons, i was trying to get the tread started to a pros and cons of each tire you have run, and if you ever regretted buying a tire.

I guess i started with the wrong statement/question of wondering why.

I appreciate everyones input.

In terms of speed, the XS will rape the Michelin Pilot Sport tires. I don't know about noise. If you like the PS2, that's great. They are great tire in their own rights, but there are better ones too.

This month's Consumer Reports has several tire tests, including high performance summer. I'm at work and don't have the article in front of me, but the lowly, cheap Hankooks placed above almost all of the tires in the test, IIRC the PS2 and one other were above them.

Tire wear
 

I have a 2009 370Z sport, with Potenza RE050. After only, 6000 miles, the right rear is worn down to almost nothing, and the left rear is wearing fast too. Now, I never had my car on the racetrack, and I had the wheels alignment checked and they were slightly off. The shop manager is telling me that because the tire softness rating is 140, that 6,000 miles is normal for this tire. Is he snowing me?

Somewhat. It could be your driving. Alignment usually wears out one groove on the tire.

The Z is a great car, but I will take a 911 for it anyday if money is no object. It's the same with the Michelins. There is nothing wrong with them, it's just there are better tires out there. Of course most of the high performance tires don't last long, you have to find out how many tires you are willing to buy.

:iagree: I have tried "other" tires...This is my second set of PS2 I ordered with my new wheels. They are $$$, But I don't mind spending the extra $$. I was considering the Bridgestones, but the weight of the PS2 and my previous experience with them made me go with another set......:yum: ...They come OEM on many great cars, and are not "inferior" in anyway!

They are very soft, but 6k is about the lowest I've ever seen posted here. I got 11k out of mine, some people have over 20k on their stockers, don't ask me how. :confused:

I had an 03 z with RE 11's on it and I flipping loved them! They completely changed the ride quality of my z. If anything they were quieter than my RE050A Pole Position tires. I was more comfterble taking off ramps and turns at higher speeds because of the stiffer side wall. Had them for about 4k miles before I sold the car and got a 370 and did not notice any tread wear on the tires.

I liked them more than the Invos that my dad has on his C6 which are also an awesome tire! Quiet and comfterable but stick when you need them to.

:iagree:

Pilots wear great.........and give me the handling characteristics that I think true sports cars are built for.....
I find it interesting that so many here are referring to a tire that is not even listed in the Poll here....The pilot
If you can by a $40,000.00 car, should you worry about spending $1,200.00 for tires that can and will last 50,000 miles or more with proper care ?

You keep pushing the idea of performance and handling of a sports car, yet you are buying max performance summer tires?

You do know that there is another category of tire called extreme performance summer tires right? Including Hankook RS-3's, Yoko AD08's, Notto NT05's, Bridgestone RE11's, Dunlop Z1 Star Specs, Kumho XS's, ect.

As has been said before, there are many better tires than PS2's, especially when it comes to performance.

if you want to change them every 10,000 miles.....and I wonder why so many High End sports cars come with the Pilots ???

And I think once someone DRIVES the Pilots.....they rarely go to anything else....

you are on crack. most high end sports cars come with r comps now, pilot cups are not the same as pilo sports. have you try other real high performance tires?

I did many track days on Falken RT615's, Bridgestone RE01R's, Z1 Star Specs, and Nitto NT05's and all of them lasted longer than 10k miles...and that was with lots of track miles. Unless you have a horrible alignment or you drift every corner you are not going through extreme performance summer tires every 10k miles.

:iagree:

I'll stick with my AD-08s for life! the best dual purpose tire ever.

You have to try the RE11, come over the bright side :)

Wait a minute! I am not referring to PS2's. I am referring to Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus. The PS2's are an older model.

:iagree:

Me too....

A/S=All season. Are you really trying to compare all season tires to great summer tires?

A/S = All Shitto (no dedication or commitment to anything)

maybe we can hit a common track event sometime and swap wheels for a session.

I don't have sport rims, but am patiently waiting to wear down the Advens so I can put on "Continental Extreme Contact DWS" in 1" wider rubber than stock.

Use tirerack.com and the ratings for UHPAS tires if you're looking for rain and/or cold performance. Summer treads are supposedly no good below about 40 degrees F., though I ran fine in dry weather last winter.

VIR in September?

Bought a set of Hankook V12s from Tire Rack and had them drop shipped to a local tire shop and got'em installed earlier this week.

A lot quieter than the OEMs and they seem to be ok.

A bonus is the $60 rebate I'll be getting.

im buying the 452s