Mi front tires wore down completely with 4,000 miles

rockhounds · 10-05-2010, 09:03 AM

I really need help guys. I got my car aligned few months ago and since then, my front tires have been wearing down too fast that it looks like slick now. The rear tires are like new since my 370Z Nismo is 2010 and has only 4,000 miles. I took the car to Nissan for re-alignment and they said the following:

Front Camber: -0.5 -0.9 before and -0.5 -0.6 after.

Front Caster: 4.8 -4.8 before and 4.6 -4.8 after.

Front Toe: 0.44 -0.72 before and 0.05 -0.05 after.

Rear Camber: -2.3 -1.2 before and -1.6 -1.5 after.

Rear Toe: 0.05 -0.48 before and -0.09 -0.09 after.

Would you think that these mismatching numbers are related to the issue I'm experiencing? I'm worried about replacing the front tires and the issue comes up again.

Thanks for your help.

ClemsonWill · 10-05-2010, 09:12 AM

Your front toe looks like it was way off. That would kill your tires pretty quickly.

Zerafian · 10-05-2010, 09:35 AM

Id like to know how the hell your toe got off that bad in the first place having just stock rims, toe rods, and camber arms. Bad toe is what will destroy a tire though so yeah thats whats causing your tire wear.

That front toe is nasty tho.

TreeSemdyZee · 10-05-2010, 11:26 AM

I'm surprised you could even steer the car with the toe that far off.
I'd sure make whoever did the alignment pay for new tires. They obviously didn't know what they were doing. They either mis-aligned or didn't tighten things down after they did the alignment. Either way, they screwed up.

kenchan · 10-05-2010, 12:19 PM

wow...did you run over a cow or hippo?

SoCal 370Z · 10-05-2010, 12:21 PM

Was it a Nissan dealership that aligned your Z or another shop?

kenchan · 10-05-2010, 12:23 PM

why are you showing negative numbers on the AFTER? negative toe = toe-out.

you need positive no's...

i think your thrust angle is screwed up still... wat was the value of that?

Red__Zed · 10-05-2010, 01:24 PM

Holy toe batman!

azn370z · 10-05-2010, 02:27 PM

I agree it would be the toe. You want negative toe because on a rwd the toe will change toward positive when the car moves forward. If you can't get the alignment to oem setting it may mean something is bent and need to be replaced.

kenchan · 10-05-2010, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azn370z

You want negative toe because on a rwd the toe will change toward positive when the car moves forward.

im pretty sure it's the other way around...

ClemsonWill · 10-05-2010, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan

im pretty sure it's the other way around...

azn370z · 10-05-2010, 04:59 PM

Negative toe means toe in, wheels point in
positive toe means toe out, wheels point out

kenchan · 10-05-2010, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azn370z

Negative toe means toe in, wheels point in
positive toe means toe out, wheels point out

azn370z · 10-05-2010, 05:23 PM

Hmm I guess for some people a picture helps.

toe in - Google Search

kenchan · 10-05-2010, 05:35 PM

yah, i know wat a toe-in condition is. thanks for the link.

basically our suspension requires toe-in for stability. the toe goes out wards (negative) when suspension is compressed. some folks use toe-out condition on purpose for quicker steering input response, etc. but for normal driving you'd probably want 0.02 to 0.05 degree toe in on the front per side, about 0.05 to 0.12 on the rear.

but that's just me.

10-05-2010, 09:03 AM	#1 (permalink)
rockhounds Base Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Miami/FL Posts: 67 Drives: 2009 GT-R Rep Power: 15	Mi front tires wore down completely with 4,000 miles I really need help guys. I got my car aligned few months ago and since then, my front tires have been wearing down too fast that it looks like slick now. The rear tires are like new since my 370Z Nismo is 2010 and has only 4,000 miles. I took the car to Nissan for re-alignment and they said the following: Front Camber: -0.5 -0.9 before and -0.5 -0.6 after. Front Caster: 4.8 -4.8 before and 4.6 -4.8 after. Front Toe: 0.44 -0.72 before and 0.05 -0.05 after. Rear Camber: -2.3 -1.2 before and -1.6 -1.5 after. Rear Toe: 0.05 -0.48 before and -0.09 -0.09 after. Would you think that these mismatching numbers are related to the issue I'm experiencing? I'm worried about replacing the front tires and the issue comes up again. Thanks for your help. __________________ “Three Rules of Work: Out of clutter find simplicity; From discord find harmony; In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.” - Einstein

10-05-2010, 09:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
ClemsonWill A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 12,045 Drives: a Civic VP! Rep Power: 445	Your front toe looks like it was way off. That would kill your tires pretty quickly. __________________ Slightly modded

10-05-2010, 09:35 AM	#3 (permalink)
Zerafian A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 1,344 Drives: 13' MB 370z Rep Power: 30949	Id like to know how the hell your toe got off that bad in the first place having just stock rims, toe rods, and camber arms. Bad toe is what will destroy a tire though so yeah thats whats causing your tire wear. That front toe is nasty tho. __________________ LC500 exhaust set uphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bI7DiA43ZYw&t

10-05-2010, 12:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
SoCal 370Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: US of A Posts: 2,842 Drives: Answers Rep Power: 33	Was it a Nissan dealership that aligned your Z or another shop? __________________ ( Click to show/hide ) Why I NEVER say NO to the Panda Lou Fusz!!!

10-05-2010, 02:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
azn370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,722 Drives: z34 - R1 Rep Power: 490	I agree it would be the toe. You want negative toe because on a rwd the toe will change toward positive when the car moves forward. If you can't get the alignment to oem setting it may mean something is bent and need to be replaced. __________________ 2010 k23 H&R sport springs / Spc rear camber arms / SSR SP1 / Berk cbe / Varis cf lip / Nismo S-Tune side skirts

10-05-2010, 11:26 AM	#4 (permalink)
TreeSemdyZee Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Kentuck-IANA Age: 60 Posts: 4,885 Drives: '09 370 & ‘14 Juke Rep Power: 27409	I'm surprised you could even steer the car with the toe that far off. I'd sure make whoever did the alignment pay for new tires. They obviously didn't know what they were doing. They either mis-aligned or didn't tighten things down after they did the alignment. Either way, they screwed up.

10-05-2010, 12:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	wow...did you run over a cow or hippo?

10-05-2010, 12:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	why are you showing negative numbers on the AFTER? negative toe = toe-out. you need positive no's... i think your thrust angle is screwed up still... wat was the value of that?

10-05-2010, 01:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	Holy toe batman!

10-05-2010, 04:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
azn370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,722 Drives: z34 - R1 Rep Power: 490	Negative toe means toe in, wheels point in positive toe means toe out, wheels point out __________________ 2010 k23 H&R sport springs / Spc rear camber arms / SSR SP1 / Berk cbe / Varis cf lip / Nismo S-Tune side skirts

10-05-2010, 05:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
azn370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,722 Drives: z34 - R1 Rep Power: 490	Hmm I guess for some people a picture helps. toe in - Google Search __________________ 2010 k23 H&R sport springs / Spc rear camber arms / SSR SP1 / Berk cbe / Varis cf lip / Nismo S-Tune side skirts

10-05-2010, 05:35 PM	#15 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	yah, i know wat a toe-in condition is. thanks for the link. basically our suspension requires toe-in for stability. the toe goes out wards (negative) when suspension is compressed. some folks use toe-out condition on purpose for quicker steering input response, etc. but for normal driving you'd probably want 0.02 to 0.05 degree toe in on the front per side, about 0.05 to 0.12 on the rear. but that's just me.

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