Is using Nitrogen a bunch of hot air

dad · 04-25-2010, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Zigen5

It has its good sides and bad sides... I've used it and you really can't tell the difference. Its suppose to make your tires wear evenly. IMO its not worth it. I believe I paid $50 for all for tires and unlimited refills. Bad thing is that if you have a leak, you can't fill it with air at your local gas station. I'll wait until it's available everywhere including gas stations..

Balance, alignment, the proper inflation of tires, and how you drive, are the determining factor on tire wear.

6spd · 04-25-2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ZKindaGuy

I guess many of these folks have forgotten how air has sufficed for inflating tires for over a 100 years now. And to anyone thinking that use of nitrogen will save folks from having to make weekly trips to the air pump for tire pressure checks....I challenge everyone here in all truthfulness how many folks actually make religiously regular weekly checks of their tires other than a quick glance at them when getting into the car to see if any "look" low or who just plain waits until the indicators trip???

Nitrogen is a sham...and at $40 for all four to be filled up its just another way the vendors look to mind-f*ck the patrons by taking advantage of their youthful naivity knowing these folks haven't been around the railroad tracks enough yet to know a scam when they see or hear one.

As I stated before on many posting occassions:

great pic

kevr6 · 04-25-2010, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 6spd

yes, buick, and cadillac, among others. this new audi thing imo is just another overblown euro designed gadget thats too expensive and fancy for its own good. quick question too, are you gonna fight me on everything I say like it holds no merit at all?

Just provide a source seperate from you is all. There is a lot of garbage on forums!!

Usually from folks who don't work in the industry.

MC · 04-25-2010, 11:31 PM

nitrogen hasnt really helped my tires wear evenly lol

ZKindaGuy · 04-25-2010, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dad

Balance, alignment, the proper inflation of tires, and how you drive, are the determining factor on tire wear.

FTW!!!

kevr6 · 04-25-2010, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MC

nitrogen hasnt really helped my tires wear evenly lol

Nitrogen does nothing for tire wear!!

MC · 04-26-2010, 01:24 AM

it was..... a joke

6spd · 04-26-2010, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kevr6

Just provide a source seperate from you is all. There is a lot of garbage on forums!!

Usually from folks who don't work in the industry.

I could go scourer the internet for a source, but youll just have to take my word, I am a mechanic after all and have no reason to deceive you. Ive fixed many a wheel speed sensor because of the low tire light. The system isnt nearly as technical as your audi system, but it has been around for a while.

Jimmy12 · 04-26-2010, 09:27 AM

For that matter of fact..!! Here are a few other benefits of using Nitrogen in tires:

[1] Nitrogen is denser than Oxygen: This means the larger molecules escape less easily from tires resulting in a more gradual loss of pressure over time. According to the Michelin Tire Manual, a tire that is inflated with Nitrogen loses its pressure 3 times slower than if it were inflated with air.

[2] Nitrogen is moisture free: Pure Nitrogen inflated tires experience less steel belt and rubber degradation. Nitrogen use also reduces valve and wheel corrosion.

[3] Nitrogen provides longer tire life: Nitrogen inflated tire run cooler and require less maintenance according to the Goodyear application bulletin.

[4] Nitrogen is non-flammable: Nitrogen technology has been used in aircraft, military and race car technology for over thirty years.

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6spd · 04-26-2010, 04:05 PM

I cant decide if that is spam or not^^ usually the users with links like those in the sig are spam.

btw, all been mentioned already.

Trips · 04-26-2010, 04:12 PM

Jimmy12 has been reported

ZKindaGuy · 04-27-2010, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy12

For that matter of fact..!! Here are a few other benefits of using Nitrogen in tires:

[1] Nitrogen is denser than Oxygen: This means the larger molecules escape less easily from tires resulting in a more gradual loss of pressure over time. According to the Michelin Tire Manual, a tire that is inflated with Nitrogen loses its pressure 3 times slower than if it were inflated with air.

[2] Nitrogen is moisture free: Pure Nitrogen inflated tires experience less steel belt and rubber degradation. Nitrogen use also reduces valve and wheel corrosion.

[3] Nitrogen provides longer tire life: Nitrogen inflated tire run cooler and require less maintenance according to the Goodyear application bulletin.

[4] Nitrogen is non-flammable: Nitrogen technology has been used in aircraft, military and race car technology for over thirty years.

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OK lets examine each one of these:

1] Nitrogen is denser than Oxygen: This means the larger molecules escape less easily from tires resulting in a more gradual loss of pressure over time. According to the Michelin Tire Manual, a tire that is inflated with Nitrogen loses its pressure 3 times slower than if it were inflated with air.

This one sounds reasonable, plausible and probable. So I will experience a decrease in the number of times I would need to inflate the tires.

Score a +1 for your bullet point.

[2] Nitrogen is moisture free: Pure Nitrogen inflated tires experience less steel belt and rubber degradation. Nitrogen use also reduces valve and wheel corrosion.

Considering there is water on the roads after raining or snowing and the atmosphere that surrounds the outer surface of the tire has moisture in it all the time I don't see where this "advantage" amounts to a hill of beans. The tire will be always exposed to moisture whether there is Nitrogen or AIR in the tires. The same argument holds for wheel and air-valve corrosion. Having Nitrogen in the tire doesn't do anything as the moisture in the atmosphere is what causes the corrosion.

Also regarding the "steel belts" portion of your point, the belts are encased in the rubber and are not exposed to the moisture of the air. So Nitrogen nor the AIR in the tire would even come close to touching the "steel belts" to cause them to corrode.

Score a -1 for your bullet point.

[3] Nitrogen provides longer tire life: Nitrogen inflated tire run cooler and require less maintenance according to the Goodyear application bulletin.

Tire life is a function of a tire being exposed to wear and tear of the physical road surface and also based on the driving habits of the car's driver. If the tires are kept inflated to spec then the wear and tear should be equal in amount and kind of wear and tear despite whether AIR of Nitrogen is being used.

The only way Nitrogen would make a difference is if in some manner the Nitrogen is somehow combining with the rubber of the tire to change its chemical composition to resist wear and tear. And that is totally impossible given the Nitrogen is being used to just inflate the tire and NOT to manufacture the tire.

Score a -1 for your bullet point.

[4] Nitrogen is non-flammable: Nitrogen technology has been used in aircraft, military and race car technology for over thirty years.

So what if Nitrogen is non-flammable. So is AIR. AIR is NOT the same as pure oxygen. Pure oxygen is NOT put into ties...AIR is put into tires. If AIR was a flammable substance then every time a match is struck to light a cigarette there would be a massive explosion.

Score a -1 for your bullet point.

TOTAL SCORE:

Valid arguments = +1
Invalid arguments = -3

So with the exception of point #1 where the use of Nitrogen would decrease the number of times I may have to inflate the tire where are the facts that support any advantage of using Nitrogen over Air????

At $40.00 a pop for Nitrogen I think that there is hardly any way that using Nitrogen over AIR to inflate the tires is cost-effective by any stretch of the imagination.

I just keep hearing that piper play people...

6spd · 04-27-2010, 05:30 PM

^^Dayum, good counter!! great pic again!

FuszNissan · 04-27-2010, 05:32 PM

I like nitro for flat spots when your car is stored for a longer period of time. For some sunday drivers it's a great benefit to have.

6spd · 04-27-2010, 05:58 PM

Yeah, I have heard of that being one of the benefits, but Ive yet to actually see it myself first hand. But from what I hear from others, especially some of my old timer, snow bird customers, it helps.

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Jimmy12 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: LONDON Posts: 1 Drives: Nisssan Rep Power: 15	For that matter of fact..!! Here are a few other benefits of using Nitrogen in tires: [1] Nitrogen is denser than Oxygen: This means the larger molecules escape less easily from tires resulting in a more gradual loss of pressure over time. According to the Michelin Tire Manual, a tire that is inflated with Nitrogen loses its pressure 3 times slower than if it were inflated with air. [2] Nitrogen is moisture free: Pure Nitrogen inflated tires experience less steel belt and rubber degradation. Nitrogen use also reduces valve and wheel corrosion. [3] Nitrogen provides longer tire life: Nitrogen inflated tire run cooler and require less maintenance according to the Goodyear application bulletin. [4] Nitrogen is non-flammable: Nitrogen technology has been used in aircraft, military and race car technology for over thirty years. . . __________________ lift hire \| access lift hire

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