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W.O.W. 370Z 12-30-2011 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Csquared (Post 1468589)
I got a set of the Advan grade Rims off a member here that are
20x10 +20. All the rims are the same size.

The tire shop I am at refuses to put tires on my rims because he claims that they are not going to work. As in I'll be rubbing badly when I am am full lock. Also saying that I will have the rims poking out a lot. In the front.

Planning on going 275/30/20 in the front at stock height. Will I be fine? He said that if I insisted he will do it but i won't get any money back if it doesn't work.

Thanks in advance.

275/30/20 will fit. I had that on for 2 weeks before I went with 285.

I can full lock with 285 and no rub.


I willing be selling my 275/30/20 soon.

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delusional 12-30-2011 05:51 PM

I was thinking of running a square setup. 18x10.5 +22 all around. would it fit? and what tires size should I be running? I'm currently not lowered but looking to throw on some eibachs or swifts in the near future. also what's our center bore size?

Volk Z 01-02-2012 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by delusional (Post 1469507)
I was thinking of running a square setup. 18x10.5 +22 all around. would it fit? and what tires size should I be running? I'm currently not lowered but looking to throw on some eibachs or swifts in the near future. also what's our center bore size?

You may be dissapointed with this look... The front will end up looking pretty nice and be very aggressive and the rear will be sunk in... To match that front i would say you would need a 10.5 +0...

THe distance from the rotor to out to be flush with the fender is different on the front and rear... You may want to get a 20 MM spacer for the rear.

You will see what i mean when you put these wheels on.

Tire sizes for a 10.5 depends on what you like
255- Super stretched
265- Stretched
275-285 Slightly stretched
295-305 Squared look

delusional 01-03-2012 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volk Z (Post 1472823)
You may be dissapointed with this look... The front will end up looking pretty nice and be very aggressive and the rear will be sunk in... To match that front i would say you would need a 10.5 +0...

THe distance from the rotor to out to be flush with the fender is different on the front and rear... You may want to get a 20 MM spacer for the rear.

You will see what i mean when you put these wheels on.

Tire sizes for a 10.5 depends on what you like
255- Super stretched
265- Stretched
275-285 Slightly stretched
295-305 Squared look

i see. i already have a set of 25mm spacers for my rear stock wheels. so i guess i can throw those on if they're too sunk. thanks for the help man :tup:

Volk Z 01-03-2012 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by delusional (Post 1474428)
i see. i already have a set of 25mm spacers for my rear stock wheels. so i guess i can throw those on if they're too sunk. thanks for the help man :tup:

Absolutely! The 25MM spacer would be perfect actually! And glad I could help... That's what the forums are for!

-Chad

Csquared 01-03-2012 07:36 PM

thanks guys for the help. Will be putting on my tires soon!

symple84 01-03-2012 08:00 PM

Just got wheels which are 19X9.5 +15 and 19X11 +11.... will these offsets sit flush and what tires sizes should I run for a semi stretched setup

Volk Z 01-05-2012 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by symple84 (Post 1474695)
Just got wheels which are 19X9.5 +15 and 19X11 +11.... will these offsets sit flush and what tires sizes should I run for a semi stretched setup

Way to pick widths and offsets!! I would almost say personally you couldn't have really gotten much better offsets... Maybe a 11 width +5 offset but very minimal difference.

Semi stretched I would go 255-35-19 on the 9.5 and a 285-35-19 on the 11... This is if you want stretched. If you google Volkdb350z and see my blue Z you will see my Gloss black TE37s (9.5 with a 255 and a 10.5 with a 275) the 275 should be a similar look to the 285-35-19 on an 11 inch width so looking at my 350z u should get a good visual of how the tire will look.

If you want more of a stretch. Go 245-40-19 and 275-35-19 rear.

Goodluck!

symple84 01-05-2012 05:37 PM

Thanks for the feedback I got good advice from a friend for the offsets. The rear is actually +10 it was a typo.

Volk Z 01-05-2012 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by symple84 (Post 1477767)
Thanks for the feedback I got good advice from a friend for the offsets. The rear is actually +10 it was a typo.

Nice, that 1MM will make a huge difference... Lol

Well goodluck with the tire choices hopefully I gave you enough info.

mdxj 01-10-2012 07:24 PM

I am still trying to wrap my head around offsets and what will prevent any rubbing so hopefully this combo will work. I am looking at a set of Enkei PF01 in 18x9 front and 18x10.5 rear. The front offset is 45mm with the rear at 15mm. Will the 45mm front offset prevent me from running a wider tire? I am looking at a 245 front and 275 rear. I am tracking this car but the suspension will stay mostly stock. I raced my 350Z in the stock class and loved it but with the oil cooler being added I am out and in a slightly new arena. the 370Z will be used for autoX and high speed touring. Enkei seem to be pretty good wheels and they are light which is must. I am keeping the stock 18" wheels for my winter tires. With a 10.5" rear, what kind of tire fitment am I looking at?

mikey1600 01-10-2012 07:41 PM

Tyre choices for those width's will be fine, the stock sport wheels are 19x9 with 245 and 19x10 with 275 tyres to give you an idea.

for your offset choices, depending on which wheels you have...

if you have stock 18's, fronts with your new wheels, 15mm less clearance between wheel/strut, stick out 11mm further then now.
if you have stock 18's, rears with your new wheels, 19mm less clearance between wheel/strut, stick out 19mm further then now.

if you have stock 19's, fronts with your new wheels, 2mm more clearance between wheel/strut, stick out 2mm further then now.
if you have stock 19's, rears with your new wheels, 9mm more clearance between wheel/strut, stick out 21mm further then now.

hope I've helped!

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdxj (Post 1484574)
I am still trying to wrap my head around offsets and what will prevent any rubbing so hopefully this combo will work. I am looking at a set of Enkei PF01 in 18x9 front and 18x10.5 rear. The front offset is 45mm with the rear at 15mm. Will the 45mm front offset prevent me from running a wider tire? I am looking at a 245 front and 275 rear. I am tracking this car but the suspension will stay mostly stock. I raced my 350Z in the stock class and loved it but with the oil cooler being added I am out and in a slightly new arena. the 370Z will be used for autoX and high speed touring. Enkei seem to be pretty good wheels and they are light which is must. I am keeping the stock 18" wheels for my winter tires. With a 10.5" rear, what kind of tire fitment am I looking at?


mdxj 01-10-2012 08:28 PM

I think so, most the info out there is related to the 19" and I have the base 18". I want to make sure that whatever i ended up with would clear the sport brakes (adding them this fall) and not rub. Since I don't plan on doing any suspension work for a little while I am also trying to stay away from having to adjust camber. The more I look at it, I will probably end up with 255 fronts.

If I understood everything I have been reading correctly, the greater the offset, the less tucked in the wheel is and the less clearance I will have between the wheel and strut.

Edit: The PF01 are offered with 35mm and 45mm for 18x9, 15mm, 35mm, 45mm for 18x9.5 and 15mm, 38mm for 18x10.5. I still need to see if they will fit the sport brakes.

Ni55anPat 01-10-2012 10:55 PM

mdxj -

offsets closer to zero will stick out more.....example: +5 offset will be more aggressive (sticking out wise) then a +20.

If you have sport brakes, you are limited to 19's and bigger....18's will not clear the sport brakes!

Hope i helped alittle bit

Your setup will depend on what tire size you want to run, how much camber (i see you dont want to run much), wheel offsets and suspension height.

Unique_Z 01-10-2012 11:26 PM

Hi, anyone can chime in on this?

I wanted a 'functional flush' look with max lip, with 20X9.5 +5 fronts and 20X11 0 offset rears, will this suffice?

Any suggestion on what size of tire i should run and how many camber needed?

Thanks!!

mdxj 01-11-2012 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ni55anPat (Post 1484896)
mdxj -

offsets closer to zero will stick out more.....example: +5 offset will be more aggressive (sticking out wise) then a +20.

If you have sport brakes, you are limited to 19's and bigger....18's will not clear the sport brakes!

Hope i helped alittle bit

Your setup will depend on what tire size you want to run, how much camber (i see you dont want to run much), wheel offsets and suspension height.

Its starting to make more sense and sense i am not wanting to go super agressive I need to use more offset. I have read that the base wheels do clear the sport brakes a d quite a few other 18" wheels work. I have till Oct to decide so there is no rush at this point and i can spend that time getting smart on this stuff. Thanks for the help.

Ni55anPat 01-11-2012 08:53 AM

You are right. Some 18's will work. ;)

Ni55anPat 01-11-2012 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iwan72 (Post 1484931)
Hi, anyone can chime in on this?

I wanted a 'functional flush' look with max lip, with 20X9.5 +5 fronts and 20X11 0 offset rears, will this suffice?

Any suggestion on what size of tire i should run and how many camber needed?

Thanks!!

I had 10.5 width. 0 offset and ran a 305-30 with -2.5 camber.

With that setup I would run a 295 or 305

Unique_Z 01-11-2012 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ni55anPat (Post 1485227)
I had 10.5 width. 0 offset and ran a 305-30 with -2.5 camber.

With that setup I would run a 295 or 305

Thanks bro! That certainly helps! Any pictures of your current setup?:tup:

Ni55anPat 01-11-2012 07:21 PM

that was my old setup...im running a -15 now in the rear with a 265

FreshFish 01-11-2012 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ni55anPat (Post 1486257)
that was my old setup...im running a -15 now in the rear with a 265

Ill really leaning towards 265/35/19 for my rears (19x11 +0). Do you daily your car? Hows the camber wear?

98intrigue 01-11-2012 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreshFish (Post 1486316)
Ill really leaning towards 265/35/19 for my rears (19x11 +0). Do you daily your car? Hows the camber wear?

I had a 305.30/19 on a 19x11+4 and was at 2.5 camber in the rear. You will be fine with a wider tire.

Ni55anPat 01-12-2012 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreshFish (Post 1486316)
Ill really leaning towards 265/35/19 for my rears (19x11 +0). Do you daily your car? Hows the camber wear?

Don't run a 265. There is no reason why you should not be running a 295 or 305

Volk Z 01-27-2012 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by symple84 (Post 1477767)
Thanks for the feedback I got good advice from a friend for the offsets. The rear is actually +10 it was a typo.

What wheels did you go with if you don't mind me asking? I assume a 3 piece wheel?

Volk Z 01-27-2012 07:43 PM

Anyone found a nice light one-piece wheel that's a 10.5+0 or 11+5 these can vary slightly but somewhere around these specs? NO knockoffs (I know Varstoen does but I'm all set with those)

anna-burns 01-28-2012 12:39 PM

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For many it begins the moment Mom or Dad first releases our hands, eyes shining as we step into the strange and often unfamiliar surroundings of pre-school. Walking reluctantly away, this trickle of self-doubt may swell into a flood of uncertainty. Will I get along with others? Will I be met with kindness and warmth? Will I be accepted?

Will I fit in?

Some of us may have paused, eyebrows raised in concern and hesitation, looking back over our shoulders toward an equally reluctant parent, seeking that final little push that says:

Go on. It’s going to be okay.

And for most of us, it is just that – okay. Between victories and failures, years pass and we may still hear that quiet voice whispering its questions from a place we try not to visit. On some conscious level we wish we didn’t care so much about acceptance, about fitting in. Our hope is that individuality is rewarded and others see us for who we really are, not some cookie cutter projection of a certain sex, shape or complexion. And to stand out in some unique or distinguishing way we rebel against the so-called norm because it feels good – hell, it feels great! – and it works, albeit for a little while. But the paradox is always present… we want to be treated the same yet we often yearn to be different.

Eventually we find ourselves at the doorstep of our careers, assessing and being assessed, attempting to apply what little information we can gleam to determine if this organization is the place we belong. If these are the people we want to surround ourselves with. If this is the best use of our education, our skills, our energy and our time. And if we want to earn the trust and confidence of those in power, we desperately want to fit in and meet all their spoken and unspoken expectations.

It’s only later that we might realize that fitting in may be more than we had bargained for. And then the tradeoffs and rationalizations begin.

So what choices do you have as you balance earning a living against your desire to be you – the real you – in a work environment that both rewards and expects unquestioning conformity? For many, a double life is a real and pragmatic approach, the “work you” showing up when you’re expected to show up, expressing the right emotions for each situation you face and participating in a process that you truly believe (hope?) was borne less of design and more of necessity. But outside of the office? You’re the genuine article, the one who has untapped talents, passions and possibilities, the one who wishes there was some way of earning a paycheck for what truly sustains you.

But a double life can be exhausting. Employers are creeping more and more into your personal life, tethering you to always-on devices whose Pavlovian beeps and buzzes immediately return us to the trancelike state of work. The work you. The fitting in you. The one that earns the paycheck that provides food, and childcare, and vacations and a million other ways of incentivizing conformity. And we do it because everyone does it, and to not do it is irresponsible, childish and self-destructive. So we are told.

So you suppress the real you, push it down somewhere deep and tell it to stop bothering you with its ridiculous hopes and dreams. And one day, you forget the difference between the two “you”s, that this other you even existed.

I’ve spent my entire career watching the bright light of ideation, creativity and individuality be largely snuffed out by the machinery of the organizations we tirelessly serve. Instead of handing out performance reviews rewarding you for doing exactly what you were hired to do, let’s pass out two matches – one to burn the handbook that tells us that what’s expected is to be applauded and a second to spark true and sustainable change.

Take my hand as we walk into strange and unfamiliar surroundings of rewarding and promoting individuality in the workplace. And when your organizations pause, eyebrows raised in concern and hesitation, looking back over their shoulders with reticence, seeking that final little push, we can say:

Go on. It’s going to be okay.

AlphaSnacks 01-28-2012 12:40 PM

......
:wtf2:

W.O.W. 370Z 01-28-2012 12:53 PM

The spammers on this site are ridiculous. Never seen so many on a forum before.

RandyD 01-28-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arnold K. (Post 1513779)
......
:wtf2:

:iagree:

RandyD 01-28-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anna-burns (Post 1513777)
http://www.webcam-steamate.com/cookies/35/b/happy.gif

For many it begins the moment Mom or Dad first releases our hands, eyes shining as we step into the strange and often unfamiliar surroundings of pre-school. Walking reluctantly away, this trickle of self-doubt may swell into a flood of uncertainty. Will I get along with others? Will I be met with kindness and warmth? Will I be accepted?

Will I fit in?

Some of us may have paused, eyebrows raised in concern and hesitation, looking back over our shoulders toward an equally reluctant parent, seeking that final little push that says:

Go on. It’s going to be okay.

And for most of us, it is just that – okay. Between victories and failures, years pass and we may still hear that quiet voice whispering its questions from a place we try not to visit. On some conscious level we wish we didn’t care so much about acceptance, about fitting in. Our hope is that individuality is rewarded and others see us for who we really are, not some cookie cutter projection of a certain sex, shape or complexion. And to stand out in some unique or distinguishing way we rebel against the so-called norm because it feels good – hell, it feels great! – and it works, albeit for a little while. But the paradox is always present… we want to be treated the same yet we often yearn to be different.

Eventually we find ourselves at the doorstep of our careers, assessing and being assessed, attempting to apply what little information we can gleam to determine if this organization is the place we belong. If these are the people we want to surround ourselves with. If this is the best use of our education, our skills, our energy and our time. And if we want to earn the trust and confidence of those in power, we desperately want to fit in and meet all their spoken and unspoken expectations.

It’s only later that we might realize that fitting in may be more than we had bargained for. And then the tradeoffs and rationalizations begin.

So what choices do you have as you balance earning a living against your desire to be you – the real you – in a work environment that both rewards and expects unquestioning conformity? For many, a double life is a real and pragmatic approach, the “work you” showing up when you’re expected to show up, expressing the right emotions for each situation you face and participating in a process that you truly believe (hope?) was borne less of design and more of necessity. But outside of the office? You’re the genuine article, the one who has untapped talents, passions and possibilities, the one who wishes there was some way of earning a paycheck for what truly sustains you.

But a double life can be exhausting. Employers are creeping more and more into your personal life, tethering you to always-on devices whose Pavlovian beeps and buzzes immediately return us to the trancelike state of work. The work you. The fitting in you. The one that earns the paycheck that provides food, and childcare, and vacations and a million other ways of incentivizing conformity. And we do it because everyone does it, and to not do it is irresponsible, childish and self-destructive. So we are told.

So you suppress the real you, push it down somewhere deep and tell it to stop bothering you with its ridiculous hopes and dreams. And one day, you forget the difference between the two “you”s, that this other you even existed.

I’ve spent my entire career watching the bright light of ideation, creativity and individuality be largely snuffed out by the machinery of the organizations we tirelessly serve. Instead of handing out performance reviews rewarding you for doing exactly what you were hired to do, let’s pass out two matches – one to burn the handbook that tells us that what’s expected is to be applauded and a second to spark true and sustainable change.

Take my hand as we walk into strange and unfamiliar surroundings of rewarding and promoting individuality in the workplace. And when your organizations pause, eyebrows raised in concern and hesitation, looking back over their shoulders with reticence, seeking that final little push, we can say:

Go on. It’s going to be okay.

:gtfo2:

Rusty 01-28-2012 03:47 PM

Somebody got some deep issues. :confused: :gtfo2:

Volk Z 01-28-2012 08:23 PM

I wonder if that spammer is somehow related to Dickie-Burns?
Reminds me of a kid I went to school with named Richard Allred Jr. Aka Little Dickie Allred! Ahaha

RoadZter 01-28-2012 09:24 PM

WTF? :icon14:

rebe945 02-01-2012 08:40 AM

Bullitt
 
Can you help me? I have a stock setup in 18s. 18x8 and 18 x9 with 225/50 frt and 245/45 rear. I like the Forgestars f-14s but the sizeis 18x8.5 and 18x9.5, also a 18x9 available. Would this go. How would the stretch look. Bad, good or ugly?. Offsets are26 frt and 26 rear with the 9.5 and 20 with the 18x9. Otherwise i may just go with 19s. Thanks

A 2 Z 02-01-2012 03:28 PM

Ok here is my question. Would 255/35-19 front and 305/30-19 rear fit the stock OEM rays? Im looking to get the tires first then switch them to the new wheels im buying around spring. Measurements for the new wheels are 19x9.5 +20 front and 19x11 +18 rear.

So... will it fit? :ugh2:

a355725 02-07-2012 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anna-burns (Post 1513777)
http://www.webcam-steamate.com/cookies/35/b/happy.gif

For many it begins the moment Mom or Dad first releases our hands, eyes shining as we step into the strange and often unfamiliar surroundings of pre-school. Walking reluctantly away, this trickle of self-doubt may swell into a flood of uncertainty. Will I get along with others? Will I be met with kindness and warmth? Will I be accepted?

Will I fit in?

Some of us may have paused, eyebrows raised in concern and hesitation, looking back over our shoulders toward an equally reluctant parent, seeking that final little push that says:

Go on. It’s going to be okay.

And for most of us, it is just that – okay. Between victories and failures, years pass and we may still hear that quiet voice whispering its questions from a place we try not to visit. On some conscious level we wish we didn’t care so much about acceptance, about fitting in. Our hope is that individuality is rewarded and others see us for who we really are, not some cookie cutter projection of a certain sex, shape or complexion. And to stand out in some unique or distinguishing way we rebel against the so-called norm because it feels good – hell, it feels great! – and it works, albeit for a little while. But the paradox is always present… we want to be treated the same yet we often yearn to be different.

Eventually we find ourselves at the doorstep of our careers, assessing and being assessed, attempting to apply what little information we can gleam to determine if this organization is the place we belong. If these are the people we want to surround ourselves with. If this is the best use of our education, our skills, our energy and our time. And if we want to earn the trust and confidence of those in power, we desperately want to fit in and meet all their spoken and unspoken expectations.

It’s only later that we might realize that fitting in may be more than we had bargained for. And then the tradeoffs and rationalizations begin.

So what choices do you have as you balance earning a living against your desire to be you – the real you – in a work environment that both rewards and expects unquestioning conformity? For many, a double life is a real and pragmatic approach, the “work you” showing up when you’re expected to show up, expressing the right emotions for each situation you face and participating in a process that you truly believe (hope?) was borne less of design and more of necessity. But outside of the office? You’re the genuine article, the one who has untapped talents, passions and possibilities, the one who wishes there was some way of earning a paycheck for what truly sustains you.

But a double life can be exhausting. Employers are creeping more and more into your personal life, tethering you to always-on devices whose Pavlovian beeps and buzzes immediately return us to the trancelike state of work. The work you. The fitting in you. The one that earns the paycheck that provides food, and childcare, and vacations and a million other ways of incentivizing conformity. And we do it because everyone does it, and to not do it is irresponsible, childish and self-destructive. So we are told.

So you suppress the real you, push it down somewhere deep and tell it to stop bothering you with its ridiculous hopes and dreams. And one day, you forget the difference between the two “you”s, that this other you even existed.

I’ve spent my entire career watching the bright light of ideation, creativity and individuality be largely snuffed out by the machinery of the organizations we tirelessly serve. Instead of handing out performance reviews rewarding you for doing exactly what you were hired to do, let’s pass out two matches – one to burn the handbook that tells us that what’s expected is to be applauded and a second to spark true and sustainable change.

Take my hand as we walk into strange and unfamiliar surroundings of rewarding and promoting individuality in the workplace. And when your organizations pause, eyebrows raised in concern and hesitation, looking back over their shoulders with reticence, seeking that final little push, we can say:

Go on. It’s going to be okay.


:nutswinger: hahahaha...........wtf was this all about??

Unique_Z 02-07-2012 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A 2 Z (Post 1520658)
Ok here is my question. Would 255/35-19 front and 305/30-19 rear fit the stock OEM rays? Im looking to get the tires first then switch them to the new wheels im buying around spring. Measurements for the new wheels are 19x9.5 +20 front and 19x11 +18 rear.

So... will it fit? :ugh2:

Those sizes you mentioned will fit, but beware that 305s feels a lil squishy for the oems. If i were you though i will do the front as you mentioned but keep the rears with 295/30/19. That will make it look a bit stretched but balances the fronts. And if you go lower, the better it looks. as of your offset that will look flush. Good luck:tup:

Unique_Z 02-07-2012 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rebe945 (Post 1519791)
Can you help me? I have a stock setup in 18s. 18x8 and 18 x9 with 225/50 frt and 245/45 rear. I like the Forgestars f-14s but the sizeis 18x8.5 and 18x9.5, also a 18x9 available. Would this go. How would the stretch look. Bad, good or ugly?. Offsets are26 frt and 26 rear with the 9.5 and 20 with the 18x9. Otherwise i may just go with 19s. Thanks

the brake clearance shrinks a little. i'll just do 19 if i were you

cjr1881 04-05-2012 08:18 PM

Enkei GTC01 20"x9.5 offset either 38/40mm front on 285/35/20 Toyo Proxes R888
rear 10.5x offset 18mm 315/30/20
I'd rather go with 40 so the front tires don't stick out more than the rear. I don't want to rub on the control arm either. Anyone know for sure?

cjr1881 04-06-2012 10:57 AM

umm...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anna-burns (Post 1513777)
http://www.webcam-steamate.com/cookies/35/b/happy.gif

For many it begins the moment Mom or Dad first releases our hands, eyes shining as we step into the strange and often unfamiliar surroundings of pre-school. Walking reluctantly away, this trickle of self-doubt may swell into a flood of uncertainty. Will I get along with others? Will I be met with kindness and warmth? Will I be accepted?

Will I fit in?

Some of us may have paused, eyebrows raised in concern and hesitation, looking back over our shoulders toward an equally reluctant parent, seeking that final little push that says:

Go on. It’s going to be okay.

And for most of us, it is just that – okay. Between victories and failures, years pass and we may still hear that quiet voice whispering its questions from a place we try not to visit. On some conscious level we wish we didn’t care so much about acceptance, about fitting in. Our hope is that individuality is rewarded and others see us for who we really are, not some cookie cutter projection of a certain sex, shape or complexion. And to stand out in some unique or distinguishing way we rebel against the so-called norm because it feels good – hell, it feels great! – and it works, albeit for a little while. But the paradox is always present… we want to be treated the same yet we often yearn to be different.

Eventually we find ourselves at the doorstep of our careers, assessing and being assessed, attempting to apply what little information we can gleam to determine if this organization is the place we belong. If these are the people we want to surround ourselves with. If this is the best use of our education, our skills, our energy and our time. And if we want to earn the trust and confidence of those in power, we desperately want to fit in and meet all their spoken and unspoken expectations.

It’s only later that we might realize that fitting in may be more than we had bargained for. And then the tradeoffs and rationalizations begin.

So what choices do you have as you balance earning a living against your desire to be you – the real you – in a work environment that both rewards and expects unquestioning conformity? For many, a double life is a real and pragmatic approach, the “work you” showing up when you’re expected to show up, expressing the right emotions for each situation you face and participating in a process that you truly believe (hope?) was borne less of design and more of necessity. But outside of the office? You’re the genuine article, the one who has untapped talents, passions and possibilities, the one who wishes there was some way of earning a paycheck for what truly sustains you.

But a double life can be exhausting. Employers are creeping more and more into your personal life, tethering you to always-on devices whose Pavlovian beeps and buzzes immediately return us to the trancelike state of work. The work you. The fitting in you. The one that earns the paycheck that provides food, and childcare, and vacations and a million other ways of incentivizing conformity. And we do it because everyone does it, and to not do it is irresponsible, childish and self-destructive. So we are told.

So you suppress the real you, push it down somewhere deep and tell it to stop bothering you with its ridiculous hopes and dreams. And one day, you forget the difference between the two “you”s, that this other you even existed.

I’ve spent my entire career watching the bright light of ideation, creativity and individuality be largely snuffed out by the machinery of the organizations we tirelessly serve. Instead of handing out performance reviews rewarding you for doing exactly what you were hired to do, let’s pass out two matches – one to burn the handbook that tells us that what’s expected is to be applauded and a second to spark true and sustainable change.

Take my hand as we walk into strange and unfamiliar surroundings of rewarding and promoting individuality in the workplace. And when your organizations pause, eyebrows raised in concern and hesitation, looking back over their shoulders with reticence, seeking that final little push, we can say:

Go on. It’s going to be okay.

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You don't need our permission to tell off your boss or quit and try to be an artist or whatever your intentions are. :rofl2:
Good read though, I'm perfectly fine with people having double lives including myself. Things would get out of hand if people acted like they do at home :roflpuke2:


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