Spacers on stock Z?

Minicobra1 · 04-12-2009, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex

The spacers are a no-go.

I installed one on the front driver's side. I was even taking pictures every step of the way so that I could provide step-by-step instructions. Then when I went to mount the wheel back on, lo and behold, it wouldn't go in all the way. If you look at the second and third picture below, you will see that the way these are designed, the stock wheel studs stick out a bit. Now, this normally isn't a problem, because the nubs just go into the spaces/slots in between the holes on the back of the wheel (see fourth pic). Well guess what? Those slots in between the holes aren't cut low enough. The nubs from the stock wheel studs can't clear them! Take a close look at the last picture. To figure out what was going on, I laid the wheel down flat on the ground, then placed a spacer on top. The spacer's wheel studs are in through the holes of the wheel. The holes you see in the picture are where the nubs of the stock wheel studs would go through. You can see through the holes that they're about halfway blocked by the bottoms of the slots. Way to go, Nissan!

Semtex, I discovered today while installing the longer studs, that the rear wheel has larger cut-outs in the back. Your pics show the front wheel, and for some reason the fronts don't have as large of an opening as the rears. It looks like the the spacer you had with the studs installed would work for the rears, just curious if you tried them on the rear ???

semtex · 04-12-2009, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minicobra1

Semtex, I discovered today while installing the longer studs, that the rear wheel has larger cut-outs in the back. Your pics show the front wheel, and for some reason the fronts don't have as large of an opening as the rears. It looks like the the spacer you had with the studs installed would work for the rears, just curious if you tried them on the rear ???

I was not aware of that. No, I didn't try the rears. The first wheel I tried was the front driver's side, and as soon as I ran into the issue with the cutouts, I packed everything back up. Thing is -- I wouldn't want to space out the rears without also spacing out the fronts. I'd want to keep the same proportions between front and back, if you know what I mean. I might actually re-order those spacers and just have my mechanic grind out the cutouts of the fronts as he had originally suggested. I mean, I've done so much other stuff to my car by now that it just doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore. Thx for letting me know about the rear cutouts!

Minicobra1 · 04-12-2009, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex

I was not aware of that. No, I didn't try the rears. The first wheel I tried was the front driver's side, and as soon as I ran into the issue with the cutouts, I packed everything back up. Thing is -- I wouldn't want to space out the rears without also spacing out the fronts. I'd want to keep the same proportions between front and back, if you know what I mean. I might actually re-order those spacers and just have my mechanic grind out the cutouts of the fronts as he had originally suggested. I mean, I've done so much other stuff to my car by now that it just doesn't seem like such a big deal anymore. Thx for letting me know about the rear cutouts!

Yeah, I thought maybe they forgot to cut-out yours, when I saw my rears. So I pulled the front off and sure enough, those were different. wonder why Nissan did that? I was waiting till I put the Eibach springs on, before I ordered the fronts wasn't sure if I was going with 15mm or 10mm. Now the the car is lowered it looks like it will clear the 15mm no problem. I'll probably order the 15mm's later today, I"m going with the press in stud route, just for the weight savings and security of less bolts.

Minicobra1 · 04-13-2009, 10:44 AM

Eibach springs installed, with 15mm spacers.
Review and pics as promised here: Eibach Springs & Spacers - Review+Pics

M.Bonanni · 02-05-2009, 07:26 PM

That sucks man. Thanks for trying though. At least now everyone knows that they will have to go with extended studs and conventional spacers to push the stockers out a bit.

dlmartin81 · 02-05-2009, 08:29 PM

Aaaaw man, sorry to hear you went through the trouble. Yeah I agree, return the spacers. At least we all know now not to get that kind.

Thanks for trying.

Minicobra1 · 02-06-2009, 04:04 AM

Sorry it didn't work out, I gave you some rep points though

Question, do you think if the spacers were 20mm that it would have worked?
Maybe less of the stock lug sticking out of the spacer.

Also, from your experience, do you think we could install a standard 5mm or 8mm spacer and not have to put longer studs in, would there be enough of the stock threads ??
Something like this: http://www.futrellautowerks.com/HR-D...r-Set-P49.aspx

Thanks ;-)

Braden

semtex · 02-06-2009, 08:57 AM

I don't think 20mm spacers would have worked, because the length of the nubs sticking out exceed 5mm. It was closer to a full cm, so at a minimum you'd need 25mm spacers to even have a shot at the nubs not protruding. But at 25mm, it'd probably look bizarre -- what I call the 'skateboard effect'. Regarding the 5-8mm spacers, I would think that there'd still be enough thread. The question is whether or not that's enough to make a satisfactory difference (I guess there's only one way to find out, right?). I think as long as you're able to properly torque the lug nuts down (the manual spec says 80 ft-lbs.), you'll be okay. But use your judgment. Put at least one lug nut back on by hand to get a sense of how much thread you're working with. And I'd also recommend re-checking the torque on them after driving around for, say, 50 miles to make sure they didn't start to back out on their own. In fact, if you decide to do this, I'd recommend that you torque the lug nuts to 90 ft-lbs., just for a little extra insurance.

SiXK · 02-06-2009, 09:27 AM

thanks for the info!

I may try the H&R DRS spacers. I will probably go with the 5mm on each side on the rear only because I only want the wheels to stick out a little more.

These spacers are hubcentric and you replace the existing wheel studs with longer ones, so the spacer is just in between instead of the spacer attached to hub and wheel attached to spacer.

http://store.allsprings.com/shared/S...llsprings&All=

If the link does not take you directly there go to nissan 350Z and then to wheel spacers and then to the DRS version.

dlmartin81 · 02-07-2009, 03:15 PM

^^ Cool...can't wait to see the outcome.

NA&CH · 02-10-2009, 01:56 PM

My buddy had that problem on his car(non 370Z) he order the ones without the studs and got extended studs.

I wanted to see it done with the sport wheels. I think those wheels fit the car great. Thanks for trying.

Chris

dlmartin81 · 02-24-2009, 09:22 AM

Any updates on this topic? Has anyone successfully done it yet?

!xoible · 02-24-2009, 11:57 AM

it's your bad for not going with H&R's btw. just plug those in, one problem you might run into is the stock bolts might be too short, so buy those as well from H&R. spacers arent really rocket science!

After all im not a fan of spacers over 15 mm's. just wont look as great. but definitely beat the stock tucked-in look

semtex · 02-24-2009, 04:04 PM

I deliberately didn't go with H&R because I don't want to put in extended studs and then have studs that are too long, should I decide to remove the spacers for some reason. That's not my bad, that's my choice.

alan93rsa · 03-07-2009, 10:05 AM

If you haven't had the pleasure of banging out and then inserting 20 studs you just don't know what you are missing.

04-13-2009, 10:44 AM	#4 (permalink)
Minicobra1 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Orange County, CA. Posts: 1,205 Drives: 370Z Tour, Spt, 6mt Rep Power: 645	Eibach springs installed, with 15mm spacers. Review and pics as promised here: Eibach Springs & Spacers - Review+Pics __________________ 370z Tour\| Spt Pack\|Navi\|BERK CBE\|Berk HFC's\| Eibach Springs\| Hotchkis Sway Bars\|SPC Camber Arms\|15mm Ichiba Wheel Spacers\| 19"Factory Nismo Wheels-Matt Black\|Stop Tech Rotors\|TWM Shifter\|3M Tint\|Black Fangs\|Black Rear Valance\|JDM Fog Light\| MY BAND-www.myspace.com/petroleum

02-05-2009, 07:26 PM	#5 (permalink)
M.Bonanni The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 2,575 Drives: Fast Rep Power: 1321	That sucks man. Thanks for trying though. At least now everyone knows that they will have to go with extended studs and conventional spacers to push the stockers out a bit. __________________ MikeBonanni.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/MikeBonanni Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/MBonanni36 Function > Form

02-06-2009, 04:04 AM	#7 (permalink)
Minicobra1 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Orange County, CA. Posts: 1,205 Drives: 370Z Tour, Spt, 6mt Rep Power: 645	Sorry it didn't work out, I gave you some rep points though Question, do you think if the spacers were 20mm that it would have worked? Maybe less of the stock lug sticking out of the spacer. Also, from your experience, do you think we could install a standard 5mm or 8mm spacer and not have to put longer studs in, would there be enough of the stock threads ?? Something like this: http://www.futrellautowerks.com/HR-D...r-Set-P49.aspx Thanks ;-) Braden __________________ 370z Tour\| Spt Pack\|Navi\|BERK CBE\|Berk HFC's\| Eibach Springs\| Hotchkis Sway Bars\|SPC Camber Arms\|15mm Ichiba Wheel Spacers\| 19"Factory Nismo Wheels-Matt Black\|Stop Tech Rotors\|TWM Shifter\|3M Tint\|Black Fangs\|Black Rear Valance\|JDM Fog Light\| MY BAND-www.myspace.com/petroleum Last edited by Minicobra1; 02-06-2009 at 04:20 AM.

02-06-2009, 08:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 33	I don't think 20mm spacers would have worked, because the length of the nubs sticking out exceed 5mm. It was closer to a full cm, so at a minimum you'd need 25mm spacers to even have a shot at the nubs not protruding. But at 25mm, it'd probably look bizarre -- what I call the 'skateboard effect'. Regarding the 5-8mm spacers, I would think that there'd still be enough thread. The question is whether or not that's enough to make a satisfactory difference (I guess there's only one way to find out, right?). I think as long as you're able to properly torque the lug nuts down (the manual spec says 80 ft-lbs.), you'll be okay. But use your judgment. Put at least one lug nut back on by hand to get a sense of how much thread you're working with. And I'd also recommend re-checking the torque on them after driving around for, say, 50 miles to make sure they didn't start to back out on their own. In fact, if you decide to do this, I'd recommend that you torque the lug nuts to 90 ft-lbs., just for a little extra insurance. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

02-06-2009, 09:27 AM	#9 (permalink)
SiXK Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Orlando Posts: 352 Drives: 09 370Z / 91 300ZXTT Rep Power: 186	thanks for the info! I may try the H&R DRS spacers. I will probably go with the 5mm on each side on the rear only because I only want the wheels to stick out a little more. These spacers are hubcentric and you replace the existing wheel studs with longer ones, so the spacer is just in between instead of the spacer attached to hub and wheel attached to spacer. http://store.allsprings.com/shared/S...llsprings&All= If the link does not take you directly there go to nissan 350Z and then to wheel spacers and then to the DRS version. __________________ Magnetic Black 2009 370Z / Pearl Yellow 1991 300ZXTT

02-05-2009, 08:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
dlmartin81 Track Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Chalfont, PA Age: 43 Posts: 923 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 608	Aaaaw man, sorry to hear you went through the trouble. Yeah I agree, return the spacers. At least we all know now not to get that kind. Thanks for trying.

02-07-2009, 03:15 PM	#10 (permalink)
dlmartin81 Track Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Chalfont, PA Age: 43 Posts: 923 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 608	^^ Cool...can't wait to see the outcome.

02-10-2009, 01:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
NA&CH Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Nipples Florida Posts: 298 Drives: Looking for PW 370 Rep Power: 291	My buddy had that problem on his car(non 370Z) he order the ones without the studs and got extended studs. I wanted to see it done with the sport wheels. I think those wheels fit the car great. Thanks for trying. Chris

02-24-2009, 09:22 AM	#12 (permalink)
dlmartin81 Track Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Chalfont, PA Age: 43 Posts: 923 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 608	Any updates on this topic? Has anyone successfully done it yet?

02-24-2009, 11:57 AM	#13 (permalink)
!xoible Base Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: west Posts: 245 Drives: some car Rep Power: 186	it's your bad for not going with H&R's btw. just plug those in, one problem you might run into is the stock bolts might be too short, so buy those as well from H&R. spacers arent really rocket science! After all im not a fan of spacers over 15 mm's. just wont look as great. but definitely beat the stock tucked-in look

02-24-2009, 04:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 33	I deliberately didn't go with H&R because I don't want to put in extended studs and then have studs that are too long, should I decide to remove the spacers for some reason. That's not my bad, that's my choice. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

03-07-2009, 10:05 AM	#15 (permalink)
alan93rsa Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 412 Drives: 16 Cayman GT4 Red Rep Power: 221	If you haven't had the pleasure of banging out and then inserting 20 studs you just don't know what you are missing. __________________ 16 Cayman GT4, Carmine Red, Buckets, PCCB etc.

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