NEW Titanium Lugs!!!

Mike@Blackline · 04-03-2010, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by battlewagon

thanks a bunch.
999w2-jt000 yields no parts results on courtesy nissan though

whats the reason for the washer on the lug? ive never seen a mag style with a built in washer like that

going to bump this over to the 3rd page for an answer so it doesnt get missed

1slow370 · 05-07-2010, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike@Blackline

going to bump this over to the 3rd page for an answer so it doesnt get missed

courtesy doesn't use standered part numbers they have there own system for the website i had to call for a cross refferance when looking for my axles. Also i have used aftermarket mag nuts before most just come with washers that slide on and off of the nut, they come in a bag when you get the nuts so they don't have to be attached the principle is the same as the oem alluminum wheels that have conical steel seats pressed in ( it's a gm thing). the steel washer is just there to keep the steel nut from scarring the crap out of the nut seat. the ones with the conical steel seats pressed into the wheels for the acorn style nuts also increase the clamping area from the nut to reduce the stress in the wheel that leads to cracking. think of it as a shoulder bolt with a washer, the shank of the bolt aligns the wheel and the washer is there to help in clamping and reduce the stress on the wheel.

On the alluminum alternative, personally i hate alluminum nuts it only takes one getting seized to a stud, cracking/exploding off the wheel in a corner, rounding the crap out of one with an impact removing them if you take it to a shop, to make you really reconsider ever having bought them. Titanium is great though, as well as a heat treated stainless if you are looking for a lower cost alternative to titanium.

Mike@Blackline · 05-12-2010, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

courtesy doesn't use standered part numbers they have there own system for the website i had to call for a cross refferance when looking for my axles. Also i have used aftermarket mag nuts before most just come with washers that slide on and off of the nut, they come in a bag when you get the nuts so they don't have to be attached the principle is the same as the oem alluminum wheels that have conical steel seats pressed in ( it's a gm thing). the steel washer is just there to keep the steel nut from scarring the crap out of the nut seat. the ones with the conical steel seats pressed into the wheels for the acorn style nuts also increase the clamping area from the nut to reduce the stress in the wheel that leads to cracking. think of it as a shoulder bolt with a washer, the shank of the bolt aligns the wheel and the washer is there to help in clamping and reduce the stress on the wheel.

On the alluminum alternative, personally i hate alluminum nuts it only takes one getting seized to a stud, cracking/exploding off the wheel in a corner, rounding the crap out of one with an impact removing them if you take it to a shop, to make you really reconsider ever having bought them. Titanium is great though, as well as a heat treated stainless if you are looking for a lower cost alternative to titanium.

thanks for all the input. its been determined that they'll most likely include the washers not built in, like you said. ill see what they say about the heat treated ss
edit: just for my knowledge so I can get straight to asking without having to ask questions about it, what material do you guys recommend the washers be made of? same as the lug nuts, or something different? maybe theres an industry standard material for the washers or something like that

TipsZ · 05-13-2010, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike@Blackline

thanks for all the input. its been determined that they'll most likely include the washers not built in, like you said. ill see what they say about the heat treated ss
edit: just for my knowledge so I can get straight to asking without having to ask questions about it, what material do you guys recommend the washers be made of? same as the lug nuts, or something different? maybe theres an industry standard material for the washers or something like that

Thanks for staying on top of this. I am not sure what the washer material should be .. I would assume the washer is just a buffer that prevents the torque from damaging the rims ... perhaps I am wrong though ...

kevr6 · 04-03-2010, 08:47 PM

Those lugs should have floating heads to be top notch!

mjch3n · 04-03-2010, 08:50 PM

If made to fit the OEM sport rays, definitely would purchase a set (in the burnt blue ti)

Rickey89 · 04-04-2010, 11:10 AM

bump for an answer to above post (i figure the faster mike gets the answer the faster we can get some lugs for our oem sprt rims)

OMGWTFBBQ · 04-05-2010, 12:30 AM

My guess would be that the washer helps to seat the lug nut in place and maybe it prevents the lug nut from messing up the actual face of the wheel? Who knows.

Mike@Blackline · 04-05-2010, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by OMGWTFBBQ

My guess would be that the washer helps to seat the lug nut in place and maybe it prevents the lug nut from messing up the actual face of the wheel? Who knows.

Yeah I was thinking that but the washer is metal all the same. my guess would be that when the lug is tightening down, the washer would press against the wheel, and the back of the lug would spin on the washer's face, so that it doesnt actually on the wheel and tear it up. I really need to see one of these lugs in action in person to get a good feel for this.

can someone tell me how the washer attaches to the lug nut? Does it have a ridge or tab that keeps the washer from sliding off the end? or can you just pull the washer on or off? Answers = product

nogoodname · 04-05-2010, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike@Blackline

Yeah I was thinking that but the washer is metal all the same. my guess would be that when the lug is tightening down, the washer would press against the wheel, and the back of the lug would spin on the washer's face, so that it doesnt actually on the wheel and tear it up. I really need to see one of these lugs in action in person to get a good feel for this.

can someone tell me how the washer attaches to the lug nut? Does it have a ridge or tab that keeps the washer from sliding off the end? or can you just pull the washer on or off? Answers = product

Here's a pic of it, it's built in and has a washer too...

Mike@Blackline · 04-05-2010, 01:21 AM

ok, but what retains the washer from just falling off the lug if you turn it upside down?

nogoodname · 04-05-2010, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike@Blackline

ok, but what retains the washer from just falling off the lug if you turn it upside down?

I dunno, I'm sure it can be removed..... damn... I never really checked this and had them for 2+ years....

I'll check tomorrow morning for you... I'll take some pics too.

Mike@Blackline · 04-05-2010, 01:32 AM

my man, thanks a lot. itd be great if they could be removed; that way when we duplicate the functional part of the lugs, whoever could just slip the washers off and slip them on the new lugs since the contact points would be the same.

that all being said, what kind of design do you guys want to see for the lugs? no point in copying it exactly, we can make them a little bit longer, open end, closed, spline, etc. We could even do something cool where the lug is say seven sides, so that it serves as a lock in itself. it would definitely keep costs down to not have to develop a new lug and then a new lock.

ideas and what you'd like to see

nogoodname · 04-05-2010, 01:36 AM

There are no aftermarket locking lugs that fit the OEM wheels for the Z and the entire Infiniti line up....(same lugs BTW) besides the OEM locking lugs that are easy to break off..

I think the seven sided lug (one side should be shorter) would be awesome... Just make all the lugs seven sided...LoL

Mike@Blackline · 04-05-2010, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by nogoodname

There are no aftermarket locking lugs that fit the OEM wheels for the Z and the entire Infiniti line up....(same lugs BTW) besides the OEM locking lugs that are easy to break off..

I think the seven sided lug (one side should be shorter) would be awesome... Just make all the lugs seven sided...LoL

yeah itd be a good investment for us from a business end and obviously anyone who owns one of the cars. my only concern with the simplicity of a seven sided lug as a lock is that a bigger standard spline key (with six sides) would be able to grip on to the seven, though the odds of having one the exact right size would be next to none.

i'll get on researching this and seeing the feasibility ASAP Monday!

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Mike@Blackline Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Posts: 390 Drives: Z Rep Power: 296	ok, but what retains the washer from just falling off the lug if you turn it upside down? __________________ Current Alliance BBK Sale, FREE PC Option, 370Z DiscountCLICK HERE for info!

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OMGWTFBBQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: the OC Posts: 1,886 Drives: 08 SGM IS350 Rep Power: 4550	My guess would be that the washer helps to seat the lug nut in place and maybe it prevents the lug nut from messing up the actual face of the wheel? Who knows.

04-05-2010, 01:32 AM	#13 (permalink)
Mike@Blackline Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Posts: 390 Drives: Z Rep Power: 296	my man, thanks a lot. itd be great if they could be removed; that way when we duplicate the functional part of the lugs, whoever could just slip the washers off and slip them on the new lugs since the contact points would be the same. that all being said, what kind of design do you guys want to see for the lugs? no point in copying it exactly, we can make them a little bit longer, open end, closed, spline, etc. We could even do something cool where the lug is say seven sides, so that it serves as a lock in itself. it would definitely keep costs down to not have to develop a new lug and then a new lock. ideas and what you'd like to see __________________ Current Alliance BBK Sale, FREE PC Option, 370Z DiscountCLICK HERE for info!

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nogoodname Lifetime Premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Montreal Posts: 22,357 Drives: E46 M3 Rep Power: 1765	There are no aftermarket locking lugs that fit the OEM wheels for the Z and the entire Infiniti line up....(same lugs BTW) besides the OEM locking lugs that are easy to break off.. I think the seven sided lug (one side should be shorter) would be awesome... Just make all the lugs seven sided...LoL Last edited by nogoodname; 04-05-2010 at 01:39 AM.

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