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Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 01:23 PM

Tires wearing super fast...Help!!
 
Hey everyone,

So i am writing this because i have had 2 sets of tires both from different brands. Both sets wearing way faster then they should. The Coopers i currently have i have about 700-800 miles on them and they are already at 5/32 left.
First set was gone after 2000 miles.

Car was aligned when done.
Tire pressure is spot on

Car is lowered on Swift Springs

Car ALSO seems to be ice skating across the road. Car seems to be all over the road

Any help would be greatly helpful!

Halfkiddio 12-22-2016 01:37 PM

Raise the car off the ground and start moving the wheels back and forth. Look for any serious deflection in the bushings or steering joints, as well as the wheel bearings. There isn't much that will cause excessive tire wear on the Z.

Side note: You can have a good alignment on a rack, but still have bad suspension/steering components.

Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfkiddio (Post 3593121)
Raise the car off the ground and start moving the wheels back and forth. Look for any serious deflection in the bushings or steering joints, as well as the wheel bearings. There isn't much that will cause excessive tire wear on the Z.

Side note: You can have a good alignment on a rack, but still have bad suspension/steering components.

So i am going to show my ignorence,the suspension/steering component is what could cause it to be ice skating off the road right?

Halfkiddio 12-22-2016 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacklisted9 (Post 3593122)
So i am going to show my ignorence,the suspension/steering component is what could cause it to be ice skating off the road right?

There are multiple things in the front or rear that can cause what you are experiencing. I just generalized everything under suspension/steering components. You have bushings, ball joints, and wheel bearings that can all cause these issues.

Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfkiddio (Post 3593127)
There are multiple things in the front or rear that can cause what you are experiencing. I just generalized everything under suspension/steering components. You have bushings, ball joints, and wheel bearings that can all cause these issues.

Okay, ill go check it out now. You think its possible it could be the springs?

Halfkiddio 12-22-2016 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacklisted9 (Post 3593128)
Okay, ill go check it out now. You think its possible it could be the springs?

I highly doubt it. You might also want to have a separate shop check your alignment to make sure it's not the machine it was aligned on the first two times.

Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfkiddio (Post 3593130)
I highly doubt it. You might also want to have a separate shop check your alignment to make sure it's not the machine it was aligned on the first two times.

Okay, alignment was done at different shops which is good.

I have to wait about an hour to really look at it. But what in particular should i be looking for i know that's broad just wondering.

Halfkiddio 12-22-2016 02:16 PM

Basically you're looking for any excessive movement in the whole assembly. You can do that by shaking the wheel left to right to check arms and bushings, and up and down (lifting the wheel straight up. Best done with a jack handle or pry bar.) to check ball joints and wheel bearings.

You really shouldn't have any movement in any direction front or rear, so anything more than 1/8" is excessive. If you get movement, start tracing it back, working your way from the outside in.

Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfkiddio (Post 3593138)
Basically you're looking for any excessive movement in the whole assembly. You can do that by shaking the wheel left to right to check arms and bushings, and up and down (lifting the wheel straight up. Best done with a jack handle or pry bar.) to check ball joints and wheel bearings.

You really shouldn't have any movement in any direction front or rear, so anything more than 1/8" is excessive. If you get movement, start tracing it back, working your way from the outside in.

Now i'm unsure of what our warranty cover. But since i do have a full warranty on the car is this something nissan should cover IF there is any issues?

BboyZ 12-22-2016 02:28 PM

Not good at tires, but can I ask what thread wear are your tires?

Halfkiddio 12-22-2016 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacklisted9 (Post 3593139)
Now i'm unsure of what our warranty cover. But since i do have a full warranty on the car is this something nissan should cover IF there is any issues?

That's up to the dealer to decide, and what mileage you have. If you have a good dealer around you, you should be able to get away with it. But I can see them throwing a fit at the lowering springs.

Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bboyz (Post 3593144)
not good at tires, but can i ask what thread wear are your tires?

cooper zeon rs3-s 325/30r19 90000020060 300 aaa y 105 n/a blk

Halfkiddio 12-22-2016 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BboyZ (Post 3593144)
Not good at tires, but can I ask what thread wear are your tires?

As a side note, tread wear doesn't really matter when you are having issues like this.

Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfkiddio (Post 3593146)
That's up to the dealer to decide, and what mileage you have. If you have a good dealer around you, you should be able to get away with it. But I can see them throwing a fit at the lowering springs.

I have a full aftermarket warranty that i purchased.

Halfkiddio 12-22-2016 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacklisted9 (Post 3593148)
cooper zeon rs3-s 325/30r19

These are on the stock sport rays??

Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfkiddio (Post 3593151)
These are on the stock sport rays??

No xD es2 9.5 front and ES2 10.5 rear

Halfkiddio 12-22-2016 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacklisted9 (Post 3593152)
No xD es2 9.5 front and ES2 10.5 rear

That's still a big tire on a 10.5. IIRC, the RS-3 S has a decently soft sidewall, so some of the wandering issues may be caused by them. What were the sizes of the other set that went bad early on?

Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 02:34 PM

275/35/19

OptionZero 12-22-2016 02:34 PM

post alignment specs

there are alignment shops and then there are alignment shops

BboyZ 12-22-2016 02:34 PM

ok sorry, I missed the part where the skating on the road. I just read thru the excessive tire wearing fast

Halfkiddio 12-22-2016 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacklisted9 (Post 3593157)
275/35/19

And it was still as bad as it is with the current tire setup?

I'm trying to rule out the tires over the internet for ya lol.

Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 02:35 PM

Ill have to find the specs to be honest. I dont have them on hand.

Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfkiddio (Post 3593161)
And it was still as bad as it is with the current tire setup?

I'm trying to rule out the tires over the internet for ya lol.

Yup still as bad.

If it is wet out...car WILL NOT MOVE.

I have a friend on drag radials on a 600 HP mustang who can go in the rain better then me.

Halfkiddio 12-22-2016 02:36 PM

Post them up when you get a chance. Hopefully they know what they are doing setup wise, as well as remembering to tighten all of the adjustment bolts.

Halfkiddio 12-22-2016 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacklisted9 (Post 3593163)
Yup still as bad.

If it is wet out...car WILL NOT MOVE.

I have a friend on drag radials on a 600 HP mustang who can go in the rain better then me.

Ok so part of that is the Coopers. A local friend of mine had them and hated them in any weather, but especially wet stuff. They also trashed themselves in 1800 miles, but that wasn't from a bad alignment.

Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfkiddio (Post 3593166)
Ok so part of that is the Coopers. A local friend of mine had them and hated them in any weather, but especially wet stuff. They also trashed themselves in 1800 miles, but that wasn't from a bad alignment.

Ive heard both good and bad with them :(

They are hopefully replacing my tires. My tire shop is chatting with them

Halfkiddio 12-22-2016 02:40 PM

Well keep us updated on what they say, and when you get your alignment print out!

Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 02:41 PM

The shop place where i got my tire says they wants do another alignment if they give me new tires. The Coopers have a 10k mile warrenty and they have 800 miles on them.

Halfkiddio 12-22-2016 02:43 PM

I would let them do that, as long as you don't have to pay for the alignment. They also need to drive the car for a short trip around the block to make sure everything is good to go before giving the car back to you.

OptionZero 12-22-2016 02:44 PM

um are they making you pay for new tires?

Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfkiddio (Post 3593170)
I would let them do that, as long as you don't have to pay for the alignment. They also need to drive the car for a short trip around the block to make sure everything is good to go before giving the car back to you.

Yeah i agree. At the end of the day i just want my car back with no issues. Swift is saying its the person who installed my springs fault...Kinda a great response from a big company..

Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero (Post 3593172)
um are they making you pay for new tires?

They are talking to cooper now. If anything i have to put a hold on my card until cooper refunds it.

Halfkiddio 12-22-2016 02:45 PM

The springs shouldn't have anything to do with it, unless they were installed wrong. When did you have them put on? Before all of these issues started, or after?

Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfkiddio (Post 3593175)
The springs shouldn't have anything to do with it, unless they were installed wrong. When did you have them put on? Before all of these issues started, or after?

They were put on quite a bit of time ago. But even if installed wrong treadwear cant be affected. + would that make the car ice skate around the road?

Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfkiddio (Post 3593175)
The springs shouldn't have anything to do with it, unless they were installed wrong. When did you have them put on? Before all of these issues started, or after?

Another question is how can you install them incorrectly..They kinda just place into there right? xD

Halfkiddio 12-22-2016 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacklisted9 (Post 3593177)
Another question is how can you install them incorrectly..They kinda just place into there right? xD

You would be surprised lol. People find weird ways to do it wrong.

Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfkiddio (Post 3593178)
You would be surprised lol. People find weird ways to do it wrong.

Like even a DIY shows it correctly. But i mean hundrads of people did it by themselves, idk. But would incorrect install of the springs cause it to be ice skating around the road?

Halfkiddio 12-22-2016 02:54 PM

It could, but it would be more related to a bad alignment from a bad install, or incorrect spring rates. Both of those would be pretty obvious immediately after doing the install.

Blacklisted9 12-22-2016 03:34 PM

Update:

Tire place i bought the tires from isnt able to do a warrenty since they arent a retailer for cooper. They just purchased the tires from a different wholesaler. The place in town wants me to pay prices way above what i payed for them and then they will work with warrenty.

P.S When your friends work at a shop make sure they still write up receipts cause it an bite you in the ***.

Halfkiddio 12-22-2016 03:39 PM

As I understand it from what I know from personal experience, the shop should be able to warranty them out regardless of their standing as a retailer or not. But I also haven't had to make a claim like that before.

And yes. Any work done in a shop should always have a paperwork trail. I've seen that go wrong a few times now.


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