First track day done but I think I need better tires

Jhill · 06-17-2016, 02:11 PM

So did my first track day at leguna and have to say I am way impressed by the capabilities of the z in Oem suspension with just the addition of stillen sway bars. So I never reached the limits of the car but the tires feel super greasy and I know they are the complete wrong tire for the car but it's what was on them, bought the car CPO and they had the wrong front size so I now have two brand new fronts and just waiting for the tears to wear through (about 4/32 now) before I change all 4. So currently I have the Michelin pilot sport a/s 3, so they are an all season even snow! Lol and a 500 tread wear. So this is my daily driver so I was looking at hankook v12, conti dw, or pole position so4 as replacements (something near the 300 wear rate so a decent compromise). Question is will I feel an improvement from 500 to 300 to make the jump now before next track event or just continue on these a/s 3 until the rears wear out (probably have another 1-2 track days left for them if I choose to use them again). I know at my level I still had more track I could use up etc and didn't hit limits but the tires just feel so greasy it doesn't feel confidence inspiring to push it to the edge, however if a 300 tire won't be that much different then I might as well continue to learn on them and get my monies worth. I know stock is a 140 but I can't do that as a daily driver.

RN SHARK · 06-17-2016, 02:28 PM

You bought a 370Z, are now taking it to the track, so put some real tires on it. RE-11 or RE-71R's are your best choices. Use the search button. As another option I would suggest getting another set of wheels, even if it is another set of stockers, and put better tires on those for your track days.

Breadz · 06-17-2016, 02:55 PM

Just got my re11s and they are badass in the canyons

Jhill · 06-17-2016, 03:09 PM

In the long run wheels and tires are an option but not for a while. Re11 will wear out way too fast as a daily driver and again I'm on stock suspension with stock angles. This car is my daily and will remain so (only plan to track 2-3 over the summers and really all I can afford), just looking for a good compromise I am not racing and don't need to be the fastest just want a more secure feeling than how greasy it felt but it is probably just me needing to learn what is really loose vs what feels loose. Just trying to plan my next set.

Slartibartfas · 06-17-2016, 03:27 PM

The Pole Position was a significant improvement of the OE Bridgestone Re050. However, the way I drive, I'm not going to get 20k miles out of the tires. Even with a camber kit and 2° negative on the otherwise stock suspension, I'm hard on the outside part of the tires.

Boss_302 · 06-17-2016, 03:30 PM

The SO4 are a good daily driver, and handle very well. I have 10k on my set and I push them and they wear great. Word of advice is I would bump them up to the next size front and back. The thread size on SO4's in comparison to the factory RE-50 is short.

gomer_110 · 06-17-2016, 03:54 PM

Treadwear numbers are meaningless. They will only get you into the ballpark. It is very possible to find a 300 and a 200 tire that will both wear at the same rate. This is largely because tire manufacturers are free to rate a tire at a lower number that the tire really is.

Also treadwear ratings do not necessarily reflect "gripiness".

Jhill · 06-17-2016, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slartibartfas

The Pole Position was a significant improvement of the OE Bridgestone Re050. However, the way I drive, I'm not going to get 20k miles out of the tires. Even with a camber kit and 2° negative on the otherwise stock suspension, I'm hard on the outside part of the tires.

See I don't even see outer wear on mine they whole tire just slipped more than rolled and gripped. Kinda melted look all the way accross and still throwing **** out of them 2 days later but what a blast.

Jsolo · 06-17-2016, 03:55 PM

Pilot Supersport? Should be in a similar class as the S04.

Jhill · 06-17-2016, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gomer_110

Treadwear numbers are meaningless. They will only get you into the ballpark. It is very possible to find a 300 and a 200 tire that will both wear at the same rate. This is largely because tire manufacturers are free to rate a tire at a lower number that the tire really is.

Also treadwear ratings do not necessarily reflect "gripiness".

Ok so has anyone tried the Michelin pilot sport a/s 3 because I don't ever see it compared vs these other tires. Doesn't seem like it's in the same league, seems more in line with the dws.

MagmaRed370z · 06-17-2016, 04:03 PM

S04s are an excellent choice. Very grippy and excellent in the rain. Nice traction. Far superior than crappy stock tires.

gomer_110 · 06-17-2016, 04:42 PM

You should NOT be using all season tires on a track. Save you pennies and buy a second set of wheels/tires for the track. RE11/RE71r/BFG RivalS are all good choices.

B&W_Evader · 06-17-2016, 04:47 PM

RE11s wear really well. They're the first max performance tires that have lasted this long for me. Starting to get close to the wear spots at the bottom of the treads on the rears but that's not an issue during the summer. Mine will last till the rains hit in November or December. I think I'll have over 40k miles on them. Amazing! Not recommended below 35F or somewhere around there. This is still the first set of tires I've been on since the stock re050s wore out and I'm at 58K.

Jhill · 06-17-2016, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B&W_Evader

RE11s wear really well. They're the first max performance tires that have lasted this long for me. Starting to get close to the wear spots at the bottom of the treads on the rears but that's not an issue during the summer. Mine will last till the rains hit in November or December. I think I'll have over 40k miles on them. Amazing! Not recommended below 35F or somewhere around there. This is still the first set of tires I've been on since the stock re050s wore out and I'm at 58K.

40k seriously? That's sounds unreal. If true then I could absolutely use re11 but that doesn't seem realistic. Again I plan to get a second set but that's a long road out and my rear will be wearing to warning bars sooner than later since they are at 4/32 or close now and 2 is wear limit. I don't have enough for 8 tires and 4 rims, so I'll get a daily driver tire that I could use in track until I have enough for another set and maybe some re11/direzza II etc.

Unless the re11 really do wear well, I plan multiple Tahoe trips from Bay Area and a so cal trip so not wanting to eat up expensive performance tire for highway cruising, waste of $.

B&W_Evader · 06-17-2016, 05:17 PM

Yep, unreal is right. Lots of highway miles but still, unreal!

BTW, I did not let the tire shop align my car. Figured I didn't hit anything and the RE050s had a good wear pattern on them. Also, I don't peal out. Spinnin aint winnin.

I think most people running the RE11s are amazed at how well the wear.

06-17-2016, 02:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jhill Track Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: San jose Posts: 854 Drives: 2013 370z sport Rep Power: 3384	First track day done but I think I need better tires So did my first track day at leguna and have to say I am way impressed by the capabilities of the z in Oem suspension with just the addition of stillen sway bars. So I never reached the limits of the car but the tires feel super greasy and I know they are the complete wrong tire for the car but it's what was on them, bought the car CPO and they had the wrong front size so I now have two brand new fronts and just waiting for the tears to wear through (about 4/32 now) before I change all 4. So currently I have the Michelin pilot sport a/s 3, so they are an all season even snow! Lol and a 500 tread wear. So this is my daily driver so I was looking at hankook v12, conti dw, or pole position so4 as replacements (something near the 300 wear rate so a decent compromise). Question is will I feel an improvement from 500 to 300 to make the jump now before next track event or just continue on these a/s 3 until the rears wear out (probably have another 1-2 track days left for them if I choose to use them again). I know at my level I still had more track I could use up etc and didn't hit limits but the tires just feel so greasy it doesn't feel confidence inspiring to push it to the edge, however if a 300 tire won't be that much different then I might as well continue to learn on them and get my monies worth. I know stock is a 140 but I can't do that as a daily driver.

06-17-2016, 02:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
RN SHARK Track Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Wake Forest, NC Age: 44 Posts: 618 Drives: 09 370Z, 14 SRT GC Rep Power: 35	You bought a 370Z, are now taking it to the track, so put some real tires on it. RE-11 or RE-71R's are your best choices. Use the search button. As another option I would suggest getting another set of wheels, even if it is another set of stockers, and put better tires on those for your track days. __________________ ___________ '09 6sp/Z1/PowerTrix/SPL/Swift/SRP/Whiteline/F.I.LTH&CBE/UpRev by Seb/CJM/Stillen/Ings+1/RJM/TrackSpec/Sparco/Motul/Wavetrac/Coolerworx/Verus/CraftSquare '14 SRT Grand Cherokee; '08 TL Type-S

06-17-2016, 02:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
Breadz Base Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Clovis Cali Posts: 240 Drives: 12 370z sport 6mt GM Rep Power: 10	Just got my re11s and they are badass in the canyons __________________ Fast Intentions Non res CF, CF Duckbill, Stillen G3, Fujimura Diffuser, Swift Springs, 180 Headlights, Forgestar F14Bronze

06-17-2016, 03:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
Slartibartfas Track Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Houston Posts: 551 Drives: 2011 G37S sedan Rep Power: 10	The Pole Position was a significant improvement of the OE Bridgestone Re050. However, the way I drive, I'm not going to get 20k miles out of the tires. Even with a camber kit and 2° negative on the otherwise stock suspension, I'm hard on the outside part of the tires. __________________ 2011 Journey Sport sedan 7AT \| SPL front, SPC rear camber arms \| ARK Grip cat-back \|

06-17-2016, 03:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
gomer_110 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Perrysburg, OH Posts: 17,992 Drives: '11 Nismo #528 GM Rep Power: 36941	Treadwear numbers are meaningless. They will only get you into the ballpark. It is very possible to find a 300 and a 200 tire that will both wear at the same rate. This is largely because tire manufacturers are free to rate a tire at a lower number that the tire really is. Also treadwear ratings do not necessarily reflect "gripiness". cv129, Hotrodz and charjohnnie like this. __________________ '11 370Z Nismo #528 Fast Intentions \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| Uprev \| CSF \| Zspeed \| Z1 Motorsports \| AST \| Swift \| SPC \| SPL \| Whiteline \| Hotchkis \| Bride \| Schroth \| Robispec \| Cusco \| Nismo \| Volk \| Forgestar \| Hoosier \| RJM '17 Titan Bone Stock

06-17-2016, 03:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jhill Track Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: San jose Posts: 854 Drives: 2013 370z sport Rep Power: 3384	In the long run wheels and tires are an option but not for a while. Re11 will wear out way too fast as a daily driver and again I'm on stock suspension with stock angles. This car is my daily and will remain so (only plan to track 2-3 over the summers and really all I can afford), just looking for a good compromise I am not racing and don't need to be the fastest just want a more secure feeling than how greasy it felt but it is probably just me needing to learn what is really loose vs what feels loose. Just trying to plan my next set.

06-17-2016, 03:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
Boss_302 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: NY NY Posts: 150 Drives: 11 Nissan 370z S Mt Rep Power: 12	The SO4 are a good daily driver, and handle very well. I have 10k on my set and I push them and they wear great. Word of advice is I would bump them up to the next size front and back. The thread size on SO4's in comparison to the factory RE-50 is short.

06-17-2016, 03:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
Jsolo Track Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: chicago Posts: 783 Drives: '12 G37 6MT Rep Power: 14	Pilot Supersport? Should be in a similar class as the S04. __________________ G37S Sedan 6MT, Eibach swaybars, Invidia Exhaust, Weaker Clutch Pedal Spring For sale links

06-17-2016, 04:03 PM	#11 (permalink)
MagmaRed370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: USA Posts: 1,468 Drives: 14' 370z Sport Magma Rep Power: 13	S04s are an excellent choice. Very grippy and excellent in the rain. Nice traction. Far superior than crappy stock tires. __________________ Sold: 2014 Magnetic Black Base. Current: 2014 Magma Red 370z Sport \| ARK Grip Exhaust \| 25mm HR Spacers \| GTR Button \| DRL Mod

06-17-2016, 04:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
gomer_110 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Perrysburg, OH Posts: 17,992 Drives: '11 Nismo #528 GM Rep Power: 36941	You should NOT be using all season tires on a track. Save you pennies and buy a second set of wheels/tires for the track. RE11/RE71r/BFG RivalS are all good choices. RN SHARK and Hotrodz like this. __________________ '11 370Z Nismo #528 Fast Intentions \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| Uprev \| CSF \| Zspeed \| Z1 Motorsports \| AST \| Swift \| SPC \| SPL \| Whiteline \| Hotchkis \| Bride \| Schroth \| Robispec \| Cusco \| Nismo \| Volk \| Forgestar \| Hoosier \| RJM '17 Titan Bone Stock

06-17-2016, 04:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
B&W_Evader Track Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: CA Posts: 972 Drives: slower than before Rep Power: 387	RE11s wear really well. They're the first max performance tires that have lasted this long for me. Starting to get close to the wear spots at the bottom of the treads on the rears but that's not an issue during the summer. Mine will last till the rains hit in November or December. I think I'll have over 40k miles on them. Amazing! Not recommended below 35F or somewhere around there. This is still the first set of tires I've been on since the stock re050s wore out and I'm at 58K. __________________ \|RIP\|6spd-sport\|OSG-LSD\|XP8\|RBF600\|Eibach Sways\|RE-71R\|FI-34Row\|Gen3-CAI\|Yaw P.S.\|

06-17-2016, 05:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
B&W_Evader Track Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: CA Posts: 972 Drives: slower than before Rep Power: 387	Yep, unreal is right. Lots of highway miles but still, unreal! BTW, I did not let the tire shop align my car. Figured I didn't hit anything and the RE050s had a good wear pattern on them. Also, I don't peal out. Spinnin aint winnin. I think most people running the RE11s are amazed at how well the wear. __________________ \|RIP\|6spd-sport\|OSG-LSD\|XP8\|RBF600\|Eibach Sways\|RE-71R\|FI-34Row\|Gen3-CAI\|Yaw P.S.\|

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