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370zfan24 12-25-2015 01:20 PM

stock tires, and fish tailing
 
So I've had my car since January and I've since hydroplaned/lost control of the car and I can't seem to figure out what the problem is. I'm pretty sure its the tires but wanted to ask around etc. Posted some questions below, any help is appreciated.

Best tires to run for maximum traction, and slippery conditions?

Could I change the back tires, but not the fronts and still ride comfortably?

Like I said before I've had to very close calls, and I'm just about to get rid of the car because it scares me so much when I hydroplane/lose control. Both times I've been lucky and never hit anyone else or done excessive damage to the car.

Chuck33079 12-25-2015 02:28 PM

Are the tires bald? Is VDC on? Are you driving appropriately for conditions? What's your alignment look like?

Also, are you running summer tires in cold temperatures?

JARblue 12-25-2015 02:31 PM

:iagree:

The stock tires are sort of decent performance tires in warm, dry conditions. They are less than ideal in just about anything else. Lots of other factors can affect their performance, especially tread wear, cold or wet weather, alignment issues, and driver skill :twocents:

SouthArk370Z 12-25-2015 02:36 PM

wide tires + light car = easy to hydroplane

As others have mentioned, there are many factors involved: tread geometry, tread depth, compound, temperature, speed, &c, &c, &c.

Alignment can be a large part of the problem - check your alignment, as per Chuck33079.

370zfan24 12-25-2015 03:02 PM

Its like 63 degrees, no rain just wet. I was going around 30-40MPH and cranked it to about 50-60 and I'm guessing it spun the back tires and then proceed to go out of control. The tires that are currently on it are Goodyear Eagles I purchased the car back in january as stated and thats what were on the car and since then I've put approx 10k miles on them. My grandfather also mentioned to me that it looked like the rear wheels were out of alignment so I'll have to get that all checked etc. Anyone have advice on which tires & wheels I should get, I think I'm just gonna do tires all the way around and two rims on the back wheels since when I hydroplaned/lost control it bent the right back rim. Thanks for all your responses so far its very much appreciated.

90 ST 12-25-2015 03:32 PM

Tires on the Z wear faster then most old cars due to the camber, which is why your GP may have thought they look out. Check that your tires have good tread on the inside, closest to the diff. If you have put on 10k plus what was on them they could be bald on the inside. As well if your not familiar with RWD cars with some power leave VDC on until you are, or only turn it off when it's warm and dry.

JC-Nismo 12-25-2015 04:00 PM

No offense, but it just sounds like your new or inexperienced with posi rear cars. Get a full alignment and have you camber and tow corrected if there off a bit. Tires should've been the first remedy before you move on to anything else other than slowing down a bit on wet pavement, Lol.

Jsolo 12-25-2015 04:42 PM

Goodyear Eagle RS-A tires? That's one crappy POS tire.

If it's wet out, you should be taking it easy, esp a high hp rwd car.

barncobob 12-25-2015 08:04 PM

lighter foot:eekdance:

Rusty 12-25-2015 08:22 PM

If you're changing tires. Change all 4. The Z doesn't like mismatched tires. The Mich PSS's is not a bad wet tire. When the road is wet. Drive with an egg under your right foot.

kenchan 12-25-2015 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zfan24 (Post 3375647)
So I've had my car since January and I've since hydroplaned/lost control of the car and I can't seem to figure out what the problem is.

slow down? .. :ugh:

Lukcas61 12-25-2015 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3375793)
If you're changing tires. Change all 4. The Z doesn't like mismatched tires. The Mich PSS's is not a bad wet tire. When the road is wet. Drive with an egg under your right foot.

I'm driving with two same front tires but two different back tires and my Z handles great. I have all season tires so I don't have OP's problem. It's been raining here in SoCal on and off and no issues going at 80 on the highway. On a stoplight I might spin the back tires a bit if I push a little bit too hard.

Just get some great all season tires and you are good to go. Unless of course it snows where you are.

Rusty 12-25-2015 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lukcas61 (Post 3375830)
I'm driving with two same front tires but two different back tires and my Z handles great. I have all season tires so I don't have OP's problem. It's been raining here in SoCal on and off and no issues going at 80 on the highway. On a stoplight I might spin the back tires a bit if I push a little bit too hard.

Just get some great all season tires and you are good to go. Unless of course it snows where you are.

If you read through some of the posts in different threads. A lot of the guys have reported problems with mixed tired. ;)

370zfan24 12-26-2015 10:35 AM

I've decided to get the BF Goodrich G-FORCE COMP-2 A/S, I'll have 30 days on these tires if I don't like them then I can take them back and they will put different ones on.

Chuck33079 12-26-2015 11:08 AM

No tires will save you if you're driving too fast for conditions or your alignment is out of whack. And I'm not sure how you're having the trouble you described with VDC on.

BGTV8 12-26-2015 03:27 PM

Leave tractions and stability control on ... your own words tell me that you cannot effectively control the car with your right foot.

confucius 12-26-2015 04:46 PM

May we ask two important questions to guide you best? - How many years have you been driving, how many/what cars have you owned or driven?

Jsolo 12-26-2015 05:26 PM

I agree with the above. If you're driving the car in the wet the same way you do in the dry, you're a crash waiting to happen.

Heed the advice of post #10.

Ghost116 12-26-2015 09:15 PM

unless you know what your doing your Vdc should be on any weather on public streets. And if it is this problem more then likely shouldn't be happening unless there is something wrong with Vdc? Does light come on?

EzDz 12-27-2015 02:07 PM

I guess learn to drive with those tires or get Pss, extreme dw, or potenzas if you want to feel confident in the rain.

Nixin 12-27-2015 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370zfan24 (Post 3376063)
I've decided to get the BF Goodrich G-FORCE COMP-2 A/S, I'll have 30 days on these tires if I don't like them then I can take them back and they will put different ones on.

The general consensus here, at least from my understanding, is that the best tires for everyday Z driving are the Michelin PSS. I believe you may be making a mistake going to the BFG's.

kenchan 12-27-2015 07:29 PM

No, S04.

EzDz 12-27-2015 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nixin (Post 3376694)
The general consensus here, at least from my understanding, is that the best tires for everyday Z driving are the Michelin PSS. I believe you may be making a mistake going to the BFG's.

Ive been running sport comp 2s, not all season though and they are fantastic

370zfan24 01-04-2016 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by confucius (Post 3376185)
May we ask two important questions to guide you best? - How many years have you been driving, how many/what cars have you owned or driven?

About 2-3 years now, and I've always driven rear posi cars. first car was a BRZ and second obviously the Z. I never had a problem in the rain with the BRZ. Getting the tires put on tuesday or wednesday and will report back about how I like them after the first 100-500 miles.

Zoren 370 01-04-2016 02:33 AM

As everyone stated good set of tires and proper alignment of your car.
Best of all excercise caution and good logic when driving on wet roads.
Make sure the VDC is on.
Ease up on the gas pedal and listen to GP.:tup:

Btw the BRZ is not like anything compared to the Z in terms of hp and torque.
The Z can bite you back like a Doberman the BRZ is a pussy cat. No offense.

Hemingway 01-06-2016 11:55 PM

In wet conditions, never step on the gas and turn the wheel at the same time. Coast through the turns.

dP3NGU1N 01-07-2016 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 370zfan24 (Post 3375689)
Its like 63 degrees, no rain just wet. I was going around 30-40MPH and cranked it to about 50-60 and I'm guessing it spun the back tires and then proceed to go out of control.

This isn't your brz. There is actual power under the Z. You gun it when it's dry and it'll spin tires, you try it in the wet and you get the *** whoopin you asked for. Smooth inputs are your friend. Sounds like you're just over eager on the throttle.

The other thing is that the donuts on the Prius, I mean brz, cut through water better. The z has wide, fat tires that will float over water.

2011 Nismo#91 01-07-2016 08:29 AM

A. Summer tires in winter = Bad performance
B. Close to 300 RWHP will easily spin the tires when you want even in the dry not to mention the wet. You could spin the tires on 130whp manual car in the wet if you want to.
C. Stock tires are not bad but they are not great.
D. Drive within the limits of you, your car, and the road conditions. This car is in a high enough insurance bracket as it is.

ban25 01-07-2016 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hemingway (Post 3383105)
In wet conditions, never step on the gas and turn the wheel at the same time. Coast through the turns.

This. VDC can only do so much and it doesn't do much in wet weather:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEj7XNXGh-M

This is turn 14 at Thunderhill in the wet, at about 45 MPH. VDC on.

RonRizz 01-07-2016 10:36 AM

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JARblue 01-07-2016 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RonRizz (Post 3383312)

"Most RPM gauges will have red areas starting at 6,000 or 7,000 RPM. When the dial in the gauge, travels into the red, learn to ease off the acceleration."

:icon18: Must! Redline! Every! Gear! :rofl2:

FPenvy 01-07-2016 11:04 AM

:wtf2:


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