Lower pricing, and 370Z support to Pro Tuners

Uprev · 10-07-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny McLain

One last one and I'm out of here......

First, have you actually tuned one and what kind of dyno do you have? Secondary, do you see the cars respond immediately? For reasons I can't figure out using the Cobb AccessPort to tune, see the air/fuel change on the dyno wideband. However, the dyno output does nothing. What's up wud dat? Makes zero sense to me. Plus the car pulls out timing on it's own and after Cobb tuning, it pulls out more mid-range timing. Can that be corrected?

I'm in Dallas so Austin is no big whoop. Being I own an AccessPort, can I make further changes (frankly no more mod plans except gears, so unlikely) using the AccessPort after you tune the car?

Well the timing isn't static, and the reason you're seeing the car pull timing so much is probably because the AP is putting too much timing in and the car is hitting detonation, which makes the ECU go into a high det map and pull a bunch of timing.

As far as adjusting it via the AP after you get a real tune on it, thats not going to work as our software works as the ROM on the vehicle. You'd have to pick between one of the two softwares to run.

Uprev · 10-07-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tranceformer

Great news! Does this mean there will be an updated version of cipher to download that will work with the 370z?

Cipher is tricky. We're actually revamping our software top to bottom right now. Cipher still isn't running on non-flashed HR motor cars either. We'll have Cipher as a stand alone system on the HR and VHR cars shortly though, it's on our short list of things that need to be done yesterday.

Cipher will only work as of 10-7-09 on HR and VHR cars that have an Osiris Flash on them. Before flashing, Cipher does not work.

Uprev · 10-07-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by B1nks

2 things..first is UpRev as far as houston tuners go the only reputable one I know of is EngineLogics, they have a good rep so far that I know of. Second is TT/supercharging the 370, The car already has overheating issues, fuel starvation, etc. So wouldn't that only increase those issues ? Especially when tracking the vehicle.

I'd love to work with Engine Logics. They built the motor that is in our semi-shop car owned by Chris Lamprecht. I've seen their work and it speaks for itself.

If they have a dyno then they should get on the bandwagon and get to tuning Houston cars. Right now all Houston customers that want a dyno tune have to drive to Austin.

I know that shortly Import Parts Pro will have the ability to flash cars, but I think they will be renting dyno time. They aren't a Pro Tuner, but they are a dealer.

When you make a car forced induction, or you're making lots more power, then you're also generating more heat. So if you're doing that and not doing anything to help compensate for that heat generated then thats an issue for you to deal with. No amount of tuning will help.

Denny McLain · 10-08-2009, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Uprev

Well the timing isn't static, and the reason you're seeing the car pull timing so much is probably because the AP is putting too much timing in and the car is hitting detonation, which makes the ECU go into a high det map and pull a bunch of timing.

As far as adjusting it via the AP after you get a real tune on it, thats not going to work as our software works as the ROM on the vehicle. You'd have to pick between one of the two softwares to run.

Right now the AccessPort is not able to modify timing and the timing maps are stock which makes it even more confusing to me as to why it's pulling out timing.

We seem to have a bit of a disconnect. I'm trying to spend money and live less than three hours away......... do you guys take money? Do you guys have a dyno? Do you guys tune cars?

Didn't make it too complicated did I?

Basically modded out and except for FI, there isn't much that can be done to the car so my last step is a real tune. Let me make it even simpler.....can you tune my car?

Didn't go over your head did I?

theDreamer · 10-08-2009, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Denny McLain

Right now the AccessPort is not able to modify timing and the timing maps are stock which makes it even more confusing to me as to why it's pulling out timing.

We seem to have a bit of a disconnect. I'm trying to spend money and live less than three hours away......... do you guys take money? Do you guys have a dyno? Do you guys tune cars?

Didn't make it too complicated did I?

Basically modded out and except for FI, there isn't much that can be done to the car so my last step is a real tune. Let me make it even simpler.....can you tune my car?

Didn't go over your head did I?

Wow, a little pissed off?

Denny McLain · 10-08-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Wow, a little pissed off?

No. Just trying to figure out if they tune cars or not. Never had anyone in my life do as good of a job of refusing money if they do.

Figured being IT minded, I needed to dumb it down a bit or maybe text it so he understands.

theDreamer · 10-08-2009, 11:50 AM

Considering he has said that for Houston owners we have to go to him to get our tune I think he does.

B1nks · 10-08-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Enginelogics, last I talked to them (when I did my last dyno), only does Cobb. They are not doing Uprev currently, but that might have changed.
I think those issues will not increase with a better tune if tracking because they are already there even with the stock tune and will be solved with proper track prep.

Yeah they USED to only do Cobb but quit because of something do to with the licensing and they paid a whole bunch of money and then they offered it to everyone for very little. I wasn't actually saying they should offer it to Enginelogics because I doubt they would take it (they are pretty fond of stand alone EMS) but if UpRev showed them what it is and then maybe they would. I was simply stating they are the best I know of in Houston.

B1nks · 10-08-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Uprev

I'd love to work with Engine Logics. They built the motor that is in our semi-shop car owned by Chris Lamprecht. I've seen their work and it speaks for itself.

If they have a dyno then they should get on the bandwagon and get to tuning Houston cars. Right now all Houston customers that want a dyno tune have to drive to Austin.

I know that shortly Import Parts Pro will have the ability to flash cars, but I think they will be renting dyno time. They aren't a Pro Tuner, but they are a dealer.

When you make a car forced induction, or you're making lots more power, then you're also generating more heat. So if you're doing that and not doing anything to help compensate for that heat generated then thats an issue for you to deal with. No amount of tuning will help.

Yeah they got a DD and they are very confident and proud of it haha. They said "It doesn't read low/high, it reads correct !" Made me feel confident in them, they also do everything in house and are really cool people to deal with. He lives in a house attached to the shop which is nice because it's kind of a safe feeling for me. I hope they get it because I am comfortable with their work and they are closer than Austin.

Denny McLain · 10-09-2009, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Considering he has said that for Houston owners we have to go to him to get our tune I think he does.

Looks like I need to do something drastic like.....give them a call.

Got gears on order and trying to get a real tune n I'm done. After that......Denny's going to the track to see what the little sucker really will do. Plaay timmme.

1slow370 · 10-10-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Uprev

Not yet, it's far simpler than it seems in that video, but there are going to be issues. First off this is a totally new thing for piston motors. The functionality of it is far more complicated than just lift, it changes the entire dynamics of the motor itself. It's not a simple as VTEC or cam adjustments. Also the way it is used by the ecu vs throttle. Nissan has millions of dollars spent on this technology and there isn't anything currently available to reference it against.

I'm sure some company will jump out there and add software controls for it, and customers will suffer with poorly running cars because of it. Or the customer will have to come out of pocket when parts of the VVEL system start failing. Thats just not how we want to do business.

So once we have a bit better understanding of what controls we can find, along with physical limits of the system (endurance testing) we'll start to create software to control it. You probably won't see anything like that for a while though. The engineers at Nissan really have gotten so much out of it so far, we're not sure of what gains may even be capable if any.

BMW, Toyota, and soon honda will all have continuously variable valve lift systems out in the next year. BMW had it first a year before NISSAN but the BMW system is limited by it's crappy and huge design to 6,500 RPM. The NISSAN version is good to over 8,000 and while it is still brand new the new toyota version looks to be equal to the nissan system. the new honda version I don't know to much about yet but it looks promising as well. All of these systems achieve the same basic end result with differences in max rpm, max lift, min lift, and complexity. Our system works great with good lift a large range and high rpm's but at the sacrifice of lubrication and friction. The toyota system uses a traditional camshaft but uses a special rocker shaft that his a lifter arm and pusher arm arranged like < that can change the angle between the 2 to transfer more or less of the cams motion to the valve. This only changes lift and not duration but it should be possible to replace the main cam for more power which you can't do with our VVEL. Food for thought it's out there and it's big shouldn't be more than a year or two before the american companies copy toyota again so there will be more demand for tuning these systems.

Denny McLain · 10-11-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

All of these systems achieve the same basic end result with differences in max rpm, max lift, min lift, and complexity.

Our system works great with good lift a large range and high rpm's but at the sacrifice of lubrication and friction.

The toyota system uses a traditional camshaft but uses a special rocker shaft that his a lifter arm and pusher arm arranged like < that can change the angle between the 2 to transfer more or less of the cams motion to the valve. This only changes lift and not duration but it should be possible to replace the main cam for more power which you can't do with our VVEL.
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Maybe you need to dumb it down for me.

In trying to break down and decipher what you wrote, my interpretation is the lift can be changed on the Nissan VVEL. Basically duration controls where peak power will happen in the rpm range but addition lift increases peak power at that particular point. If we can increase the lift and the heads flow efficiently at the higher lift level, then peak power will increase on a assumptive basis.

It's my opinion from material read prior on head flow numbers, the 370 has some pretty killer heads.

RCZ · 10-11-2009, 10:00 AM

Damn Denny that was a little rough wasn't it? I don't know that it was the best way to build a relationship with uprev. I like you, but I would've told you to f off if you wrote that to me.

Anyway, this thread has been pretty damn interesting and I wish I could contribute a little more. At least one of those ROM Dumps that HPLogic offered is from my car, so at least I can say I helped a bit.

Keep it up!

travisjb · 10-11-2009, 11:27 AM

+1 ... Denny, take a chill pill bro !

kdo2milger · 10-11-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Uprev

We just dropped pricing across the board as of today October 1st 2009.

We also are announcing support for the 370Z as of today. We need to get cars here or to our Pro Tuners so we can get the ROMs dumped and patched so they can dyno tune your cars. Contact the Pro Tuners today so they can get your ROM files.

Forced induction is on the way from GTM if you haven't already heard, and it's our software they're using to make it happen. Expect some big announcements right around SEMA from Sam and the guys at GTMotorsports.

I know I'm not on the boards too often because we're so busy around here. My contact info remains the same, and our website still has links to me. If you have any questions you can talk to our Pro Tuners or give me a holler and I'll try to respond as soon as I get a chance.

Rich-

can i get a pm from you, i would like to discuss further...

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10-11-2009, 10:00 AM	#58 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1119	Damn Denny that was a little rough wasn't it? I don't know that it was the best way to build a relationship with uprev. I like you, but I would've told you to f off if you wrote that to me. Anyway, this thread has been pretty damn interesting and I wish I could contribute a little more. At least one of those ROM Dumps that HPLogic offered is from my car, so at least I can say I helped a bit. Keep it up!