Dyno Runs- Maps from Motion Lab

ANMVQ · 09-02-2014, 01:50 PM

God why do I keep looking at the dyno sheet and finding errors The RPMS don't make sense either. I was trying to figure out why the peak TQ was at like 6200 but I can break the tires loos at anything under 3k :/ Then dawns on my the DAMN guy didn't hook up anything for RPM signal, Hood was close. I was in the car loading up Ciper to log the runs and never looked or realized it now. Man I got my $$ taken, SH4t

turbobrian · 10-15-2014, 12:14 AM

When you showed up at 9am for your 4 dyno pulls I was not aware you required a hug, I apologises for this. I should have showed you some love. You arrived, I arrived just after, I received a few calls that I had to take, and your car was strapped on the dyno right away.

I read your jumbled mess of a post and let me try to decipher this for the rest of the people here.

The Mustang Dyno reads low. Everyone knows this in the industry. Its not that its low because its not accurate, or broken. Its that its and eddy current loaded dyno. Its a very accurate reading for power to the wheels. You have other types of dynos, Inertia and Hub dynos for example. As I told you if you wanted to compare it to a Dynojet add 13%. Everyone and their brother doubts the numbers here, so the only thing I can do is compare it to the DynoJet 1/4 mile down the street from me. And I have done this a few times. Its always within 13%. So the number you get are what it is. You can disagree all you want. We use the dyno for tuning and not to boost eggos or make car magily more powerful with numbers

We mainly work on, fabricate and tune 4 cylinder turbocharged cars here. We do dyno runs for any car or truck at times. But its just difficult to know the ins and out of every single car that arrives. It might take a few runs to know that you need to disable traction control, or put a car in a certain mode, or even that the car will not operate correctly if all 4 tires are not spinning, even if its a RWD car. Your car had a light flash on the dash, I never went back to research this but it might have felt something to do with the wheel speed, or what mode the car was dynoed in.

I asked you if the car was a 3.5 or a 3.6 I honestly didn't know off the top of my head. Its not a car I work on every day. It was just a question so it goes into the database. I am always asking customers detailed info about their cars. I just do not know exact specifications on every car out there, I would be shocked if you did.

During your dyno pulls it felt like the car was off, almost like the car was getting too much timing. You even told me it was having problems a day earlier. I asked you who tuned the car. You told me you were e-tuned. And that is why I told you you would be better off finding a tuner local for you car with a load bearing dyno. I really have no idea who the people are that tuned your car, but its impossible to tune a car right through an etune. It can be close, but its still not the way to properly tune a car, I would say 9/10 cars I get here that are e-tuned have been giving too much timing advance. (If you do not know what this is you should read a little on combustion engines) Its just impossible to guess at timing advance. You can only properly do this on a load bearing dyno. I was giving you a little advice and some direction. Because you were excited about your car, and seemed to want to get all its potential out of it.

I received a call from someone looking for a tune, as I do each day I get 3-4 calls from people looking to tune dodge caravans, saab 95's Mazda b2000's, Chevy cobalts, Kia's and all sort's of other cars, As I usually do I turn it down and say I do not tune any of those cars, Its because I don't know if they have the support to tune. I do not have time to research, I have plenty of business in the platforms I specialize in here. This one I knew had support, and I have been getting more and more calls about it. But I have never tuned one. I do not lie and say "Yeah bring it down i'm the best at tuning your car" I tell them the truth! So I told the customer I would take a look at it if they brought it in.

As you might not know all motors work off the same principles, So I was telling the person on the phone tuning is universal and it shouldn't be an issue getting the car tuned properly. A motor is an air pump essentially. All the same things apply to your car as the next. Not really sure why you were so "nervous". Its like building a deck, you can use different types of wood, but the basic principles apply to building it. Tuning a car is similar if you're looking for an easy example to understand.

And we didn't use a tach signal, we used roller speed. Its just a different way to operate the dyno. There are 3-4 ways to get the tq output on a car here. So because I didnt pop your hood doesn't mean anything. The dyno also uses a linked roller system, designed for AWD systems and traction control. There would be no chance of "popping a tcase" btw

I would not be upset if you never came back actually. Good luck with your car!

ANMVQ · 10-15-2014, 04:05 PM

HEY!

Well at least you weren't swearing good for you man, BTW a linked roller will not work on a Infiniti X system as its 100 RWD till the rears slip( Why my Tcase light was blinking), as its not a "true" AWD as the car tcase isnt always engaged.

Like I said not the phone I'm not some young 18 year old kid that wants props when they show up. That statement is still childish BTW like it was earlier this week. But maybe you don't have enough people skills to say Hi how are you how'd you hear about us? But too much talking I guess, But you talked a lot when trying to sell me on your tuning with a group buy ??? HMM

OK You may also want to pay attention to peoples cars and warring lights when dynoing them. You blow someone's car up you may have issues? Just a thought.

Good luck to you also.

turbobrian · 10-16-2014, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ

HEY!

Well at least you weren't swearing good for you man, BTW a linked roller will not work on a Infiniti X system as its 100 RWD till the rears slip( Why my Tcase light was blinking), as its not a "true" AWD as the car tcase isnt always engaged.

Like I said not the phone I'm not some young 18 year old kid that wants props when they show up. That statement is still childish BTW like it was earlier this week. But maybe you don't have enough people skills to say Hi how are you how'd you hear about us? But too much talking I guess, But you talked a lot when trying to sell me on your tuning with a group buy ??? HMM

OK You may also want to pay attention to peoples cars and warring lights when dynoing them. You blow someone's car up you may have issues? Just a thought.

Good luck to you also.

Ok I guess your front wheels don't spin when you drive on pavement. That car is super advanced huh! More than a GTR I guess.

You must have wanted something, maybe a reach around because you're still talking about not getting enough attention. Most of my customers are guys who don't need me to tickle their ear while I dyno the car. The salon is 1.4 miles down the street on the right.

Yeah I'll make it simple don't come back. And any of the 370z people act like this also don't show up. This is a mans shop, with fast cars.

1slow370 · 10-16-2014, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by turbobrian

Ok I guess your front wheels don't spin when you drive on pavement. That car is super advanced huh! More than a GTR I guess.

You must have wanted something, maybe a reach around because you're still talking about not getting enough attention. Most of my customers are guys who don't need me to tickle their ear while I dyno the car. The salon is 1.4 miles down the street on the right.

Yeah I'll make it simple don't come back. And any of the 370z people act like this also don't show up. This is a mans shop, with fast cars.

WOW ok, so ANMVQ can't read the graph due to the format it is in(put the rpm on the x and the graph makes sense) but instead of pointing out to him that it has a different format than normal you rip into him. Sometimes customers are confused and need to be pointed in the right direction so they can see what actually happened like you could have pointed out that the mustang dyno has a quick rpm calibration so you just hold the rpms at 4000 and click a button and it calculates the gear ratio and derives rpm from wheel speed and doesn't need a tach pickup and that he was mistaken in thinking you cut corners, or that the g37x's drivetrain may be rwd 100% until slip but if the rears are turning and the fronts are not that is slip and therefor the car needs to be run with the front wheels turning, 2 minutes of teaching him would have saved you thirty minutes of starting a forum account so you could rip into him and now have to face all the negative backlash of making him look like an idiot. If the light was blinking slowly it means the trans temp was elevated possibly due to worn rear tires and no real damage was done, if it was blinking fast (twice per second) it detected a difference in wheel speed front to rear and could have been the tires slipping on the rollers.

turbobrian · 10-16-2014, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

WOW ok, so ANMVQ can't read the graph due to the format it is in(put the rpm on the x and the graph makes sense) but instead of pointing out to him that it has a different format than normal you rip into him. Sometimes customers are confused and need to be pointed in the right direction so they can see what actually happened like you could have pointed out that the mustang dyno has a quick rpm calibration so you just hold the rpms at 4000 and click a button and it calculates the gear ratio and derives rpm from wheel speed and doesn't need a tach pickup and that he was mistaken in thinking you cut corners, or that the g37x's drivetrain may be rwd 100% until slip but if the rears are turning and the fronts are not that is slip and therefor the car needs to be run with the front wheels turning, 2 minutes of teaching him would have saved you thirty minutes of starting a forum account so you could rip into him and now have to face all the negative backlash of making him look like an idiot. If the light was blinking slowly it means the trans temp was elevated possibly due to worn rear tires and no real damage was done, if it was blinking fast (twice per second) it detected a difference in wheel speed front to rear and could have been the tires slipping on the rollers.

No your wrong. He was smiles from ear to ear. Was all sorts of excited when he was here. Voiced zero about any issue even when his light was blinking for 4 seconds on one pull. I explained many things when he was here, and absolutely explained his graph. I own a Mustang Dyno you are blue in the face after you shed a customers tear. Not my first rodeo here so to speak.

It's the bash a shop approach he has, and made another separate thread saying don't go here. Like he was saving people from stepping off a curb in rush hour. The badge he wanted on his chest!

I don't have time for the BS honestly, But when you do a google search and this is what I find I react because it is false. And he was determined to sway business from me when all I do is break my back for customer support and loyalty.

There was zero need for a thread like this in all honesty.

I actually called him when I saw this. It was a week later I posted because of activation. He would not take my call, hung up on me when I said who it was. Ignored my Text until he agreed to answer. And when I talked to him for 20 seconds I knew I had to make a ridiculous post wasting everyones time.

Pace02rs · 10-16-2014, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

WOW ok, so ANMVQ can't read the graph due to the format it is in(put the rpm on the x and the graph makes sense) but instead of pointing out to him that it has a different format than normal you rip into him. Sometimes customers are confused and need to be pointed in the right direction so they can see what actually happened like you could have pointed out that the mustang dyno has a quick rpm calibration so you just hold the rpms at 4000 and click a button and it calculates the gear ratio and derives rpm from wheel speed and doesn't need a tach pickup and that he was mistaken in thinking you cut corners, or that the g37x's drivetrain may be rwd 100% until slip but if the rears are turning and the fronts are not that is slip and therefor the car needs to be run with the front wheels turning, 2 minutes of teaching him would have saved you thirty minutes of starting a forum account so you could rip into him and now have to face all the negative backlash of making him look like an idiot. If the light was blinking slowly it means the trans temp was elevated possibly due to worn rear tires and no real damage was done, if it was blinking fast (twice per second) it detected a difference in wheel speed front to rear and could have been the tires slipping on the rollers.

Couldn't the same be said about ANMVQ? Instead of bitching on the forums every 10 min and negatively updating about how much Brian was doing wrong (you know shame on an Evo/STI guy for not COMPLETELY understanding a nissan/infiniti setup) he could have educated Brian and said, "Hey, i noticed your doing it this way, well due to the way my AWD works it needs to be in this mode and done that way" etc.
ANMVQ called the shop and setup an appointment to Dyno his car. The shop fulfilled those requests. If there was an issue or problem it should have been brought up AT the shop. Running to the forums and bashing Brian's shop over minuscule details is simply asinine.
Put yourself in the shops shoes, he did a job to the best of his ability and as far as he knew the customer left happy. Then finds this thread calling him out on the most ridiculous details? Phone calls with other customers and how he operates HIS dyno that HE owns and pays for? I mean come on, is this not a little ridiculous to anyone else?

Dynotech is a professionally run shop. It consists of Brian and his employees, a VERY skilled team that can take vehicles they specialize in to levels you could only dream of. They run a tight ship and have a no BS attitude. They do not cut corners, or cheap out. And do not take kindly to uneducated reviews like this one. Can you blame them for being offended and defending themselves?

1slow370 · 10-16-2014, 09:14 PM

Oh its clear he was in the wrong alright but as a buisness you have to hold back and avoid the whole telling 2 of three 370z owners to f themselves because he kicked ur dog. Shop pride is great and necessary but dealing with bs is important because there is always that guy out there.

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turbobrian · 10-16-2014, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

Oh its clear he was in the wrong alright but as a buisness you have to hold back and avoid the whole telling 2 of three 370z owners to f themselves because he kicked ur dog. Shop pride is great and necessary but dealing with bs is important because there is always that guy out there.

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I'm here to help as a resource. Anyone that comes to my door. And I have a footprint in my core community. But I won't go begging for the 370 business. Just wanted to let that be known because I'm not trying to save the 370 cliental. It's never was part of my core business.

No need to go any further unless there is more of a problem. Or anyone with one, Just contact me

jwick · 10-16-2014, 11:04 PM

Butthurt is strong in this one

Chuck33079 · 10-17-2014, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jwick

Butthurt is strong in this one

Yep. Why do vendors think acting like this helps their business in any way? Basically no one posted in or read this thread until Butthurt Performance LLC decided to chime in and defend himself by making himself look like a petty ***. And it's always a smart, classy touch to imply how little you need a group of people who could conceivably become a source of revenue. And we wonder why shops go out of business so often. You don't need a Harvard MBA to see the problems with acting like this.

turbobrian · 10-17-2014, 09:17 AM

I guess you missed the point. And don't understand at all. Its about clearing the air about what happened. It would be like me going to your work and putting up pictures of you that says "molests children" would you just go on about your career and ignore it? You wouldn't make sure people knew it was false? This guy comes to me to make 4 pulls on my dyno and he feels its his job to make sure the world knows I ripped him off and took his money, and that I damaged his car. Which none of that took place. Im really not buthurt but have the balls to stick up for myself when I see a Lie. Tony Montana said it best. My balls and my word.

Chuck33079 · 10-17-2014, 09:21 AM

Quoting scar face and comparing it to being accused of child molestation. Wow. Definitely an Ivy League MBA here.

turbobrian · 10-17-2014, 09:49 AM

I think you would stick up for yourself. Compare it to what you want, but its all just a bunch of bs and waste of time.

FPenvy · 10-17-2014, 09:55 AM

here's the million dollar question.......

why the hell would someone from MA to NC?

i wonder if he realizes there probably 20 tuners in between him and motion lab.

seems like a far drive just for a NA tune.

09-02-2014, 01:50 PM	#16 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 19	God why do I keep looking at the dyno sheet and finding errors The RPMS don't make sense either. I was trying to figure out why the peak TQ was at like 6200 but I can break the tires loos at anything under 3k :/ Then dawns on my the DAMN guy didn't hook up anything for RPM signal, Hood was close. I was in the car loading up Ciper to log the runs and never looked or realized it now. Man I got my $$ taken, SH4t __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda,

10-15-2014, 04:05 PM	#18 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 19	HEY! Well at least you weren't swearing good for you man, BTW a linked roller will not work on a Infiniti X system as its 100 RWD till the rears slip( Why my Tcase light was blinking), as its not a "true" AWD as the car tcase isnt always engaged. Like I said not the phone I'm not some young 18 year old kid that wants props when they show up. That statement is still childish BTW like it was earlier this week. But maybe you don't have enough people skills to say Hi how are you how'd you hear about us? But too much talking I guess, But you talked a lot when trying to sell me on your tuning with a group buy ??? HMM OK You may also want to pay attention to peoples cars and warring lights when dynoing them. You blow someone's car up you may have issues? Just a thought. Good luck to you also. __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda, Last edited by ANMVQ; 10-15-2014 at 04:08 PM.

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1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	Oh its clear he was in the wrong alright but as a buisness you have to hold back and avoid the whole telling 2 of three 370z owners to f themselves because he kicked ur dog. Shop pride is great and necessary but dealing with bs is important because there is always that guy out there. Sent from my HTCONE using Tapatalk __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

10-16-2014, 11:04 PM	#25 (permalink)
jwick A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Posts: 14,532 Drives: '10 G37 6MT Rep Power: 2465056	Butthurt is strong in this one 6MT-Z34 likes this. __________________ '10 G37T 6MT Graphite/Graphite - BP - G37T Build

10-17-2014, 09:21 AM	#28 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Quoting scar face and comparing it to being accused of child molestation. Wow. Definitely an Ivy League MBA here. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

10-15-2014, 12:14 AM	#17 (permalink)
turbobrian Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: seekonk ma Posts: 20 Drives: nissan Rep Power: 0	When you showed up at 9am for your 4 dyno pulls I was not aware you required a hug, I apologises for this. I should have showed you some love. You arrived, I arrived just after, I received a few calls that I had to take, and your car was strapped on the dyno right away. I read your jumbled mess of a post and let me try to decipher this for the rest of the people here. The Mustang Dyno reads low. Everyone knows this in the industry. Its not that its low because its not accurate, or broken. Its that its and eddy current loaded dyno. Its a very accurate reading for power to the wheels. You have other types of dynos, Inertia and Hub dynos for example. As I told you if you wanted to compare it to a Dynojet add 13%. Everyone and their brother doubts the numbers here, so the only thing I can do is compare it to the DynoJet 1/4 mile down the street from me. And I have done this a few times. Its always within 13%. So the number you get are what it is. You can disagree all you want. We use the dyno for tuning and not to boost eggos or make car magily more powerful with numbers We mainly work on, fabricate and tune 4 cylinder turbocharged cars here. We do dyno runs for any car or truck at times. But its just difficult to know the ins and out of every single car that arrives. It might take a few runs to know that you need to disable traction control, or put a car in a certain mode, or even that the car will not operate correctly if all 4 tires are not spinning, even if its a RWD car. Your car had a light flash on the dash, I never went back to research this but it might have felt something to do with the wheel speed, or what mode the car was dynoed in. I asked you if the car was a 3.5 or a 3.6 I honestly didn't know off the top of my head. Its not a car I work on every day. It was just a question so it goes into the database. I am always asking customers detailed info about their cars. I just do not know exact specifications on every car out there, I would be shocked if you did. During your dyno pulls it felt like the car was off, almost like the car was getting too much timing. You even told me it was having problems a day earlier. I asked you who tuned the car. You told me you were e-tuned. And that is why I told you you would be better off finding a tuner local for you car with a load bearing dyno. I really have no idea who the people are that tuned your car, but its impossible to tune a car right through an etune. It can be close, but its still not the way to properly tune a car, I would say 9/10 cars I get here that are e-tuned have been giving too much timing advance. (If you do not know what this is you should read a little on combustion engines) Its just impossible to guess at timing advance. You can only properly do this on a load bearing dyno. I was giving you a little advice and some direction. Because you were excited about your car, and seemed to want to get all its potential out of it. I received a call from someone looking for a tune, as I do each day I get 3-4 calls from people looking to tune dodge caravans, saab 95's Mazda b2000's, Chevy cobalts, Kia's and all sort's of other cars, As I usually do I turn it down and say I do not tune any of those cars, Its because I don't know if they have the support to tune. I do not have time to research, I have plenty of business in the platforms I specialize in here. This one I knew had support, and I have been getting more and more calls about it. But I have never tuned one. I do not lie and say "Yeah bring it down i'm the best at tuning your car" I tell them the truth! So I told the customer I would take a look at it if they brought it in. As you might not know all motors work off the same principles, So I was telling the person on the phone tuning is universal and it shouldn't be an issue getting the car tuned properly. A motor is an air pump essentially. All the same things apply to your car as the next. Not really sure why you were so "nervous". Its like building a deck, you can use different types of wood, but the basic principles apply to building it. Tuning a car is similar if you're looking for an easy example to understand. And we didn't use a tach signal, we used roller speed. Its just a different way to operate the dyno. There are 3-4 ways to get the tq output on a car here. So because I didnt pop your hood doesn't mean anything. The dyno also uses a linked roller system, designed for AWD systems and traction control. There would be no chance of "popping a tcase" btw I would not be upset if you never came back actually. Good luck with your car!

10-17-2014, 09:17 AM	#27 (permalink)
turbobrian Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: seekonk ma Posts: 20 Drives: nissan Rep Power: 0	I guess you missed the point. And don't understand at all. Its about clearing the air about what happened. It would be like me going to your work and putting up pictures of you that says "molests children" would you just go on about your career and ignore it? You wouldn't make sure people knew it was false? This guy comes to me to make 4 pulls on my dyno and he feels its his job to make sure the world knows I ripped him off and took his money, and that I damaged his car. Which none of that took place. Im really not buthurt but have the balls to stick up for myself when I see a Lie. Tony Montana said it best. My balls and my word.

10-17-2014, 09:49 AM	#29 (permalink)
turbobrian Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: seekonk ma Posts: 20 Drives: nissan Rep Power: 0	I think you would stick up for yourself. Compare it to what you want, but its all just a bunch of bs and waste of time.

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