School me on turning FI car?

YzGyz · 03-12-2014, 09:08 AM

Can someone school me some basics on FI tuning. Not just the simple mapping but other hardware recommended/needed. Please pretend I don't know anything about FI and start from there. Like if I just bought a BP kit and installed it. What else should I get/need to get her running right? What rec guges, where is the best place to hook them up, (like connect to engine,electrical, not placement in cabbin), why they are rec., what brand of xxx is good (gauges, controllers, ecu).

Thanks for your time.

Chuck33079 · 03-12-2014, 09:15 AM

Do you mean all of the supporting mods, or just tuning and monitoring? Gauges will come down to personal preference as far as type as long as you don't get some Prosport garbage. As far as which gauges, boost and AFR are the bare minimum. As far as where you hook them up, boost will take a reference off a pressurized part of the intake tract like the manifold. AFR will either use your OEM O2 sensors or an additional one.

YzGyz · 03-12-2014, 09:39 AM

"Do you mean all of the supporting mods, or just tuning and monitoring? Gauges will come down to personal preference as far as type as long as you don't get some Prosport garbage. As far as which gauges, boost and AFR are the bare minimum."

both and everything. School me like if everything is Greek. It's understood that what gauges to use/get is personal but from a person that don't know jack, how and where do I find out what I "think" I want?

I'm just researching as My car id still under warranty but I think it end this year hence my research on boost. So Far I'm digging BP but I might go custom from either a buddy's buddy or Jtranz.

Thank Chuck, please enlighten me some more.

theDreamer · 03-12-2014, 09:40 AM

370z Forced Induction for Noobs...

Start here.
Besides the kit itself, whichever you choose, you will need cooling upgrades for items such as oil & radiator, gauges per what chuck said, along with possibly clutch/flywheel/csc, and after that you start to fall into the not 100% required category. Things such as, vented hood & fender liner, meth/water injection, e85 fuel (requires additional fuel components).

Chuck33079 · 03-12-2014, 09:53 AM

Dreamer's got it.

As a generality, you want a clutch/flywheel/csc, radiator, oil cooler, boost gauge and AFR gauge. You'll need a boost controller of some type for a turbo kit. Manual vs electronic is a whole thread on its own.

As for what type of gauges/monitoring, how deep is your wallet? I went with a Defi boost gauge and Innovate wideband on the A pillar, so it was fairly economical. You can go nuts here. Dreamer's setup is awesome, but I can't imagine it being cheap to replicate.

And not to crap on anybody's buddy or something like that, but go with a kit that has had its kinks worked out. Whether that's BP or a local shop, don't be a guinea pig.

theDreamer · 03-12-2014, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Dreamer's got it.

As a generality, you want a clutch/flywheel/csc, radiator, oil cooler, boost gauge and AFR gauge. You'll need a boost controller of some type for a turbo kit. Manual vs electronic is a whole thread on its own.

As for what type of gauges/monitoring, how deep is your wallet? I went with a Defi boost gauge and Innovate wideband on the A pillar, so it was fairly economical. You can go nuts here. Dreamer's setup is awesome, but I can't imagine it being cheap to replicate.

And not to crap on anybody's buddy or something like that, but go with a kit that has had its kinks worked out. Whether that's BP or a local shop, don't be a guinea pig.

While a "custom" setup might be nice, one that has shown its ability and quality is a better option than be a test subject. BP has a very high quality kit and fantastic customer service, I believe there is a kit coming to Houston soon also.

Chuck33079 · 03-12-2014, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer

While a "custom" setup might be nice, one that has shown its ability and quality is a better option than be a test subject. BP has a very high quality kit and fantastic customer service, I believe there is a kit coming to Houston soon also.

There is. I'll be assisting on the install in the next couple of weeks.

theDreamer · 03-12-2014, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

There is. I'll be assisting on the install in the next couple of weeks.

If I can stop by I might try that, curious to see the kit, in final wedding mode so not a lot of free time.
Going to be some good FI builds in Houston with the 370z platform.

Chuck33079 · 03-12-2014, 10:00 AM

Can't see why that would be an issue. You might get put to work.

theDreamer · 03-12-2014, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Can't see why that would be an issue. You might get put to work.

I will just stalk from my car with binoculars.

Chuck33079 · 03-12-2014, 10:06 AM

And OP, everything I said is really for a turbo application. The boost gauge isn't as critical on a SC since your boost level is determined by pulley size and not subject to as much of the variance a turbo is.

Chuck33079 · 03-12-2014, 10:07 AM

A safe assumption is you'll spend very nearly as much on supporting mods, install and tuning as the kit cost. Budget that much, and if you come in under so much the better. You don't want to get caught short and have to cut corners somewhere. It's such a slippery slope once you get into something like this. You'll spend a fortune on things that you might as well swap out "while you're in there".

jwick · 03-12-2014, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Whether that's BP or a local shop, don't be a guinea pig.

I kinda resent that statement since I'm the G BP install guinea pig

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer

If I can stop by I might try that, curious to see the kit, in final wedding mode so not a lot of free time.
Going to be some good FI builds in Houston with the 370z platform.

Dude come on by. We'll likely be at it for three straight weekends getting everything correct.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

A safe assumption is you'll spend very nearly as much on supporting mods, install and tuning as the kit cost. Budget that much, and if you come in under so much the better. You don't want to get caught short and have to cut corners somewhere. It's such a slippery slope once you get into something like this. You'll spend a fortune on things that you might as well swap out "while you're in there".

Truer words never spoken. Just think of the kit purchase as half your entry price. Now with the BP kit you get a little relief cause it comes with complete oil cooler setup. Not to mention Sasha gives you everything you need to install except your common tools.

theDreamer · 03-12-2014, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwick

I kinda resent that statement since I'm the G BP install guinea pig

Dude come on by. We'll likely be at it for three straight weekends getting everything correct.

Truer words never spoken. Just think of the kit purchase as half your entry price. Now with the BP kit you get a little relief cause it comes with complete oil cooler setup. Not to mention Sasha gives you everything you need to install except your common tools.

Well the kit is solid on the 370z and honestly the fitment should not be that much different for the G. Well wedding is not until April 4 but every weekend is mostly full of meetings and final planning items. We were both talking that we should have just ran off and got married in Vegas, party, gamble, have fun, and be done with it quickly. Plus save all the cash...

jwick · 03-12-2014, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer

Well the kit is solid on the 370z and honestly the fitment should not be that much different for the G. Well wedding is not until April 4 but every weekend is mostly full of meetings and final planning items. We were both talking that we should have just ran off and got married in Vegas, party, gamble, have fun, and be done with it quickly. Plus save all the cash...

I'm all for saving the money on the big blow out wedding and putting it toward something you will ues.

As for timing your good, we aren't starting the tear down until mid-April

03-12-2014, 09:08 AM	#1 (permalink)
YzGyz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Houston Posts: 1,449 Drives: 2010 Nismo Rep Power: 63	School me on turning FI car? Can someone school me some basics on FI tuning. Not just the simple mapping but other hardware recommended/needed. Please pretend I don't know anything about FI and start from there. Like if I just bought a BP kit and installed it. What else should I get/need to get her running right? What rec guges, where is the best place to hook them up, (like connect to engine,electrical, not placement in cabbin), why they are rec., what brand of xxx is good (gauges, controllers, ecu). Thanks for your time.

03-12-2014, 09:15 AM	#2 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Do you mean all of the supporting mods, or just tuning and monitoring? Gauges will come down to personal preference as far as type as long as you don't get some Prosport garbage. As far as which gauges, boost and AFR are the bare minimum. As far as where you hook them up, boost will take a reference off a pressurized part of the intake tract like the manifold. AFR will either use your OEM O2 sensors or an additional one. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

03-12-2014, 09:40 AM	#4 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	370z Forced Induction for Noobs... Start here. Besides the kit itself, whichever you choose, you will need cooling upgrades for items such as oil & radiator, gauges per what chuck said, along with possibly clutch/flywheel/csc, and after that you start to fall into the not 100% required category. Things such as, vented hood & fender liner, meth/water injection, e85 fuel (requires additional fuel components). Chuck33079 likes this. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

03-12-2014, 09:53 AM	#5 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Dreamer's got it. As a generality, you want a clutch/flywheel/csc, radiator, oil cooler, boost gauge and AFR gauge. You'll need a boost controller of some type for a turbo kit. Manual vs electronic is a whole thread on its own. As for what type of gauges/monitoring, how deep is your wallet? I went with a Defi boost gauge and Innovate wideband on the A pillar, so it was fairly economical. You can go nuts here. Dreamer's setup is awesome, but I can't imagine it being cheap to replicate. And not to crap on anybody's buddy or something like that, but go with a kit that has had its kinks worked out. Whether that's BP or a local shop, don't be a guinea pig. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

03-12-2014, 10:00 AM	#9 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Can't see why that would be an issue. You might get put to work. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

03-12-2014, 09:39 AM	#3 (permalink)
YzGyz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Houston Posts: 1,449 Drives: 2010 Nismo Rep Power: 63	"Do you mean all of the supporting mods, or just tuning and monitoring? Gauges will come down to personal preference as far as type as long as you don't get some Prosport garbage. As far as which gauges, boost and AFR are the bare minimum." both and everything. School me like if everything is Greek. It's understood that what gauges to use/get is personal but from a person that don't know jack, how and where do I find out what I "think" I want? I'm just researching as My car id still under warranty but I think it end this year hence my research on boost. So Far I'm digging BP but I might go custom from either a buddy's buddy or Jtranz. Thank Chuck, please enlighten me some more.

03-12-2014, 10:06 AM	#11 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	And OP, everything I said is really for a turbo application. The boost gauge isn't as critical on a SC since your boost level is determined by pulley size and not subject to as much of the variance a turbo is. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

03-12-2014, 10:07 AM	#12 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	A safe assumption is you'll spend very nearly as much on supporting mods, install and tuning as the kit cost. Budget that much, and if you come in under so much the better. You don't want to get caught short and have to cut corners somewhere. It's such a slippery slope once you get into something like this. You'll spend a fortune on things that you might as well swap out "while you're in there". __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

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