Uprev Locks own e-tune maps
 

ATTENTION! From this year Uprev protect the e-tune ROMs by a password.

In the site there is no information about, I found this surprise after my last buy!

What's means this for all:
For an Osiris Standard user:
It's impossible to go to another tuner if he don't like the current settings of the e-tune ROM. Or if they would make a definitive Map on a Dyno with has Osiris Tuner.
He can not purchase Osiris Tuner, because cannot edit own Map!

For Osiris Tuner users:
They can not look whats there is in the bought etune Map, so they can not check if there is something wrong.
They can not made minor modification to our Map (i.e. Fan duty cycle or Throttle response)
They can not upgrade the actual Map using a dyno, but it's necessary to start from Zero (or the last unlocked Rom)

I think that "Lock" is the opposite word of "Tuning".
I like to have a full access to MY car, this is because I bought UpRev! With this policy is the same as using Consult3 with a Map made by Nissan dealer.
I pay for my e-tune + $700 for Osiris Tuner and I want to see what it does. Are too few 50$ for an open e-tune Map? Well increase the price!

I don't understand the necessity to lock my ROM when my ROM function great only on my car!

I wrote to Uprev, but I haven't a reply, I hope that this public post moves somethings in a better service.

I've seen a lot of tuners lock their maps. I'm not a fan of it personally, but its not unheard of.

let me get this straight if im reading it correctly. so in order to get a tune you will have to go straight to uprev or pay extra $$$ for a better package?

From my understanding of his post, it's saying Uprev locks their E-tune map they send you and aren't allowing changes to that map. If you've bought the license I can't imagine not being able to take it to another tuner for a new map. They just wouldn't be able to tweak the map from Uprev.

You can still take your car and have it tuned by another shop.
They will not be able to modify the tune on the car most likely, though a pro tuner might be able to call Uprev and request the password to tweak it. This is not new, a lot of pro tuners put locks on the tune so others cannot access it and copy what they are doing.

Exactly. The tune is basically the tuner's IP, and letting someone else have access isn't a great business practice.

Yes!
I bought a license of Tuner to see the map! And Uprev is the seller!!!


And....

Why when I bought the Map there aren't any explanations that my e-map NOW is locked!?

Finally WHY protect a Map that works only on my car...

I don't understand why....

Example:
I add HFC. Then I go to a very good tuner that Maps the car very well.

After a year I add Headers.... ....but I go to another BAD tuner with the previous map made by a GOOD tuner...

The result I am expecting is BAD.... ....what do you think?

Because the data contained within the map is the intellectual property of the tuner. You're free to go have another tuner create a new map, or datalog and email Uprev for an updated map when you add mods.

From their point of view, leaving the map unlocked can only cause problems. You could change something that shouldn't be changed and break something, and complain "Uprev's E-tune destroyed my motor". You could take that data, copy it down and charge someone else with a tuner license to put that data on their car, regardless of whether it's optimized for that car or even safe to run on that car. You could take any competitive advantages or unique strategies they employ and offer them up to anyone.

I'm always surprised when a tuner doesn't lock their tunes. It's not an open source product.

This is why, in your scenario, you would datalog the car, send the data to Uprev and they would send you a new tune optimized for your new mods.

Ok, but....

If I want stay secure that my car does not crack, I don't make any mods!! I do not tune my car!

And then: Open Source means Freeware. I pay the Osiris Tuner and I pay the e-tune.

The question is only How Much you Would I pay your service.

Well, you've got the software that allows you to create your own maps. We're just discussing whether the actual map sent by Uprev should be editable by the end user. I like the ability to change small things without an entire new tune, but I understand why they lock them. It's not ideal, but it's the easiest way to ensure the end user doesn't hurt their vehicle inadvertantly or share IP/ trade secrets.

Uprev's maps are far cheaper than the competition's maps. Are you willing to pay 4-5 times the cost of the map for the ability to tweak it? For $50, I'd just email new data logs to uprev and have them update my map. You can do that multiple times before you have spent as much as some others charge for a single map.

I know that, and if the maps leaves from my car 500Hp I do you quite right.
But I know also that uprev via e-tune adjust AFR and a little bit Time Advance.
For a real tune it's necessary a dyno... ..and a good tuner, nothing else...
(think about that the nearest Uprev Pro Tuner near me is at 2000Km!)


I am able to adjust AFR, but require me a lot of time and it's not my work. I pay (payed for the "surprise") willingly 50$ to do that.
As change Oil: is quite simple, but tiring me. So I do it to my mechanician.
Now: Is right that my mechanic changes the oil bolt to an Anti Theft bolt to ensure that I will go only to he?

Sorry I agree with most the people in this thread. You still have full access to tune your car to the full extent. You have ZERO limitations on tuning your car. Only the tune that UpRev has provided to you. It's basically a copyright. I bet companies like Z1 do the same thing.

This isn't a good analogy. The mechanic didn't design anything. Uprev's map is their intellectual property, and they have the final say whether it is end user editable. You're not held captive. You can have anyone you want tune your car. They just can't start with Uprev's map.

Also have you called or emailed Uprev on this and asked if you could possibly have access. Explain to them you are not near a tuner and might need to work on it yourself in the near future. They are a small company and work with people, meet the owners and they are a great group.

So, for you reach the target AFR is an intellectual property?

I can see them being ok with this given the situation. It's always tough when you're well outside the normal areas they service.

The entire map is their IP.

No.
The entire car is IP of Nissan!

It's actually pretty simple. They made it and they can do whatever they want. Anyone here ever try to tune a car from dead scratch??? It's not as simple as u might think.

I think we've got a communication barrier or something going on here. You're looking at it like we're dealing with physical products. It's more along the lines of computer software. You've purchased the license to create whatever data files you choose. You've also purchased a pre-made data file. That file is locked to the end user due to the contents (changes to the OEM mapping) being the intellectual property of the programmer (Uprev).

Ok, I am not diminish the startup work of uprev.

I am contesting the marketing policy.

I will prefear a kind of this:

Osiris Standard and e-tune as is.

Osiris Tuner is 700$, if you want a base map, the cost is 500$ more.


After that, with YOUR base map, you can make the work for me, but the map is MINE WITHOUT LOCK.

Damn! I PAY, TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT!! Only after that I can choose if I can or I can't!

Not AFTER I bought I have something that I don't want!

Can't argue that. Granted they switched after sucks but they had that right all along.

I'd say give em a call. As was stated earlier they are real cool and maybe work something out with you

Locking tunes is a standard business practice. It's to cover their @$$es. If they send you a tune, unlocked and you go to Joe Bob's, who's not familiar with the UpRev software and something happens to your motor, then it could be a possible finger pointing match between who's liable.

Example, when you purchase any of GTM's turn-key kits and they send you a base map, they're locked as well. It's so only the original tuner can access and make the proper changes... as it should be.

I'm sure the other turn-key kits are like this as well.

Did you make it clear that you have the tuner version when you purchased the etune? I know most places lock the tunes for Osiris standard since you can't access them anyways, but the purpose of buying the etune with the tuner version is so that you have a decent starting point.. and I was under the impression that they did not lock it. I would email them back at etune@uprev.com and explain the situation (don't get all angry, just explain the situation and ask nicely) and I'm sure they'll send you the unlocked version. No need to get angry about it just yet

I emailed, I am just waiting an answer....

They get busy, give it some time. If you need an unlocked rom shoot me a PM

i dont think you understand the analogies other users posted
think of it like this, you buy a DVD, the DVD is yours to use(meaning the physical disk), but you are not allowed to modify the contents of the DVD without the IP holders permission because the content itself doesnt belong to you

the E-Tune is pretty much the same thing, its there, you can use it, but to modify it you have to obtain permission(in this case, get the password) in order to modify the tune

EDIT
just wait for uprev to email you back, chances are that they will unlock it for you and if they dont, they will tell you why

Pay attention reading the entire post.
I am not contesting the I.P. of uprev.
And I would not anything free.

I am only opposing in the change of marketing policy without advice.

Just as an exemple . I had the tuner version . They gave me 2 files with it
The back to stock rom and the base uprev rom which you can modify because its just a copy of the stock rom ....

You get en e-Tune . Which needed some of your datalog then sent them to uprev.
They work on a tune then lock it. Simply to prevent other peoples to potentialy modifying it thenhave a chance to blow your engine. Its safe for both side, you and them.

Why would they let you get an etune and possibily letting you sharing it to someo else with similar mods ?
They would lose money .

Since I got my Tuner cable upgraded to Pro version I now lock everything I tune.
Im not letting other tuners see the tweaks I have done.


If you arent happy with their etune . You are more than welcome asking them the base rom of your ECU then tune it the way you like with your tuner cable. I doubt they would let you touch their etune rom !
Good luck with that

I agree with you here. If you were specifically told one thing and received another, that's an issue. I guess it boils down to what the map they sent you is really considered. Is the rom a final product, or is it a base map meant to give you a starting point for your tuning? I would think it would be the former, but if your communications with them made it out to be the latter it's on them.

The question is:
Why when I purchased three years ago the e-tune procedures works in a way, and now after three years without advice, after I spent my money on Uprev products the procedure changes?

To reply your question: I like to see what's happens, I am simply curious with some of money.
I live in Italy, so for a safety reason I made the maps directly from Uprev. Here there aren't Pro-Tuners.

So if I choose between Two products, for example Cobb and Uprev.
Three years ago Uprev "says": well, you can look my maps with Tuner Version.
And I bought Uprev.

Now, after 3 years, Uprev changes Idea: "No, now that you had bought my software, the maps are locked!"

Well, I thinks that it's not correct.
As is if tomorrow Bill Gates will say: ALL PEOPLE that mounts Windows will installs ONLY Microsoft Software.
Ok, Windows is your, but I payed to used it when I bought my PC. Why now I can not work as yesterday!?
The same is Uprev.

For the safety: perhaps you are right, but REMEMBER! Every owner that modify his car assumes a risk.... ....if I modify the Map without know what I do, or I mount myself the braking plate without know what I do. The GUILT is not of Uprev or Brembo.... ...but mine...

That's part of it. Not everybody is willing to accept personal responsibility and would rather blame the supplier. The other part is for their protection.

Businesses change policies all the time. Three years is a long time. I do think they should have told you their policy had changed in that time, though. I haven't used their E-tunes. Do they give you a disclosure similar to the End User Licensing Agreement on a software program?

No...

...only when I received the file, I found a password...

That's a fail on their end. A simple FYI would have gone a long way here. I hope they unlock your map, considering your location and access to tuners. I can't imagine why they wouldn't.

3 years ago, they didnt had the option to lock the map/rom. Its been like almost a year I think they upgraded their software enough to allow tuner tu lock their tuned map .

But I agree that Uprev should have mentionned somewhere that their etune would be locked for now on, for safety reasons.

I asked Seb at SZ why he didnt lock my tune?
His response, was that he had nothing to hide.

I agree with that mentality, I don't lock tunes either

This is the good end of the story...

This morning I have received the unlocked tune! :)

I think that UpRev understood that I am far to any ProTuner. So I can not made any competition on any IP.

Good UpRev! I continue to use it on my little adjustment!!


....and....

....this Topic is useful to understand the work around a tune, in aspects that someone can not to know....


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