Uprev Locks own e-tune maps

theDreamer · 07-18-2013, 02:55 PM

Also have you called or emailed Uprev on this and asked if you could possibly have access. Explain to them you are not near a tuner and might need to work on it yourself in the near future. They are a small company and work with people, meet the owners and they are a great group.

flashgordon · 07-18-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

This isn't a good analogy. The mechanic didn't design anything. Uprev's map is their intellectual property, and they have the final say whether it is end user editable. You're not held captive. You can have anyone you want tune your car. They just can't start with Uprev's map.

So, for you reach the target AFR is an intellectual property?

Chuck33079 · 07-18-2013, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Also have you called or emailed Uprev on this and asked if you could possibly have access. Explain to them you are not near a tuner and might need to work on it yourself in the near future. They are a small company and work with people, meet the owners and they are a great group.

I can see them being ok with this given the situation. It's always tough when you're well outside the normal areas they service.

Chuck33079 · 07-18-2013, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by flashgordon

So, for you reach the target AFR is an intellectual property?

The entire map is their IP.

flashgordon · 07-18-2013, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

The entire map is their IP.

No.
The entire car is IP of Nissan!

elperuano · 07-18-2013, 03:02 PM

It's actually pretty simple. They made it and they can do whatever they want. Anyone here ever try to tune a car from dead scratch??? It's not as simple as u might think.

Chuck33079 · 07-18-2013, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by flashgordon

No.
The entire car is IP of Nissan!

I think we've got a communication barrier or something going on here. You're looking at it like we're dealing with physical products. It's more along the lines of computer software. You've purchased the license to create whatever data files you choose. You've also purchased a pre-made data file. That file is locked to the end user due to the contents (changes to the OEM mapping) being the intellectual property of the programmer (Uprev).

flashgordon · 07-18-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by elperuano

It's actually pretty simple. They made it and they can do whatever they want. Anyone here ever try to tune a car from dead scratch??? It's not as simple as u might think.

Ok, I am not diminish the startup work of uprev.

I am contesting the marketing policy.

I will prefear a kind of this:

Osiris Standard and e-tune as is.

Osiris Tuner is 700$, if you want a base map, the cost is 500$ more.

After that, with YOUR base map, you can make the work for me, but the map is MINE WITHOUT LOCK.

Damn! I PAY, TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT!! Only after that I can choose if I can or I can't!

Not AFTER I bought I have something that I don't want!

elperuano · 07-18-2013, 03:32 PM

Can't argue that. Granted they switched after sucks but they had that right all along.

I'd say give em a call. As was stated earlier they are real cool and maybe work something out with you

Staples · 07-18-2013, 08:35 PM

Locking tunes is a standard business practice. It's to cover their @$$es. If they send you a tune, unlocked and you go to Joe Bob's, who's not familiar with the UpRev software and something happens to your motor, then it could be a possible finger pointing match between who's liable.

Example, when you purchase any of GTM's turn-key kits and they send you a base map, they're locked as well. It's so only the original tuner can access and make the proper changes... as it should be.

I'm sure the other turn-key kits are like this as well.

seymore4 · 07-19-2013, 03:19 PM

Did you make it clear that you have the tuner version when you purchased the etune? I know most places lock the tunes for Osiris standard since you can't access them anyways, but the purpose of buying the etune with the tuner version is so that you have a decent starting point.. and I was under the impression that they did not lock it. I would email them back at etune@uprev.com and explain the situation (don't get all angry, just explain the situation and ask nicely) and I'm sure they'll send you the unlocked version. No need to get angry about it just yet

flashgordon · 07-19-2013, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by seymore4

Did you make it clear that you have the tuner version when you purchased the etune? I know most places lock the tunes for Osiris standard since you can't access them anyways, but the purpose of buying the etune with the tuner version is so that you have a decent starting point.. and I was under the impression that they did not lock it. I would email them back at etune@uprev.com and explain the situation (don't get all angry, just explain the situation and ask nicely) and I'm sure they'll send you the unlocked version. No need to get angry about it just yet

I emailed, I am just waiting an answer....

seymore4 · 07-19-2013, 03:45 PM

They get busy, give it some time. If you need an unlocked rom shoot me a PM

luigi90210 · 07-19-2013, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by flashgordon

Ok, I am not diminish the startup work of uprev.

I am contesting the marketing policy.

I will prefear a kind of this:

Osiris Standard and e-tune as is.

Osiris Tuner is 700$, if you want a base map, the cost is 500$ more.

After that, with YOUR base map, you can make the work for me, but the map is MINE WITHOUT LOCK.

Damn! I PAY, TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT!! Only after that I can choose if I can or I can't!

Not AFTER I bought I have something that I don't want!

i dont think you understand the analogies other users posted
think of it like this, you buy a DVD, the DVD is yours to use(meaning the physical disk), but you are not allowed to modify the contents of the DVD without the IP holders permission because the content itself doesnt belong to you

the E-Tune is pretty much the same thing, its there, you can use it, but to modify it you have to obtain permission(in this case, get the password) in order to modify the tune

EDIT
just wait for uprev to email you back, chances are that they will unlock it for you and if they dont, they will tell you why

flashgordon · 07-19-2013, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by luigi90210

i dont think you understand the analogies other users posted
think of it like this, you buy a DVD, the DVD is yours to use(meaning the physical disk), but you are not allowed to modify the contents of the DVD without the IP holders permission because the content itself doesnt belong to you

the E-Tune is pretty much the same thing, its there, you can use it, but to modify it you have to obtain permission(in this case, get the password) in order to modify the tune

EDIT
just wait for uprev to email you back, chances are that they will unlock it for you and if they dont, they will tell you why

Pay attention reading the entire post.
I am not contesting the I.P. of uprev.
And I would not anything free.

I am only opposing in the change of marketing policy without advice.

07-18-2013, 02:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	Also have you called or emailed Uprev on this and asked if you could possibly have access. Explain to them you are not near a tuner and might need to work on it yourself in the near future. They are a small company and work with people, meet the owners and they are a great group. Chuck33079 likes this. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

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elperuano A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southwest FL Posts: 1,374 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 29	It's actually pretty simple. They made it and they can do whatever they want. Anyone here ever try to tune a car from dead scratch??? It's not as simple as u might think. Chuck33079 likes this.

07-18-2013, 03:32 PM	#24 (permalink)
elperuano A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southwest FL Posts: 1,374 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 29	Can't argue that. Granted they switched after sucks but they had that right all along. I'd say give em a call. As was stated earlier they are real cool and maybe work something out with you Chuck33079 likes this.

07-18-2013, 08:35 PM	#25 (permalink)
Staples Track Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 546 Drives: '08 Infiniti G37s Rep Power: 16	Locking tunes is a standard business practice. It's to cover their @$$es. If they send you a tune, unlocked and you go to Joe Bob's, who's not familiar with the UpRev software and something happens to your motor, then it could be a possible finger pointing match between who's liable. Example, when you purchase any of GTM's turn-key kits and they send you a base map, they're locked as well. It's so only the original tuner can access and make the proper changes... as it should be. I'm sure the other turn-key kits are like this as well. __________________ '08 Infiniti G37s - Forced Induction Fed

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07-19-2013, 03:19 PM	#26 (permalink)
seymore4 Track Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: West coast Age: 41 Posts: 556 Drives: 2010 nismo Rep Power: 6727	Did you make it clear that you have the tuner version when you purchased the etune? I know most places lock the tunes for Osiris standard since you can't access them anyways, but the purpose of buying the etune with the tuner version is so that you have a decent starting point.. and I was under the impression that they did not lock it. I would email them back at etune@uprev.com and explain the situation (don't get all angry, just explain the situation and ask nicely) and I'm sure they'll send you the unlocked version. No need to get angry about it just yet

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