+ 55 whp Tune. Mustang Dyno

antisocial83 · 05-25-2013, 01:58 PM

It was $300 for the license, $350 for the tune. They are a big name for tuning subarus around here so i trusted them. Unfortunately timing wise i had to drop off and pick up as they were closing so i didn't get to ask as many questions as i'd like...but like i said, i trusted their rep. Its really hard to say how I feel about the tune though. Driving for a few days now i can tell you for a fact its not anything close to +50 whp. I will probably throw on HFC, maybe headers(maybe not since SC is planned) and get a tune at one of the other local shops. My uprev license is written to my ecu now, is that correct?
Its a 6MT btw. Thanks for all the feedback though.

ChrisSlicks · 05-25-2013, 02:37 PM

Yes the license is written to the ECU so you can get it retuned by any Uprev shop and just pay the hourly rate for tuning.

chrischhorn · 05-27-2013, 05:37 PM

Had a friend go to them with his G37. They did a decent job. A few months later some of us took a trip down to Austin to UpRev and UpRev still pulled another 13whp out of their tune. Its worth it to take the trip to Austin for the tune.

Jordo! · 05-27-2013, 08:17 PM

This is why I am skeptical of all values not derived from a dynojet, ideally with SAE correction (or STD for FI'd cars).

You can't control the weather (and no correction factor is perfect), you can't control every transient trim on the ECU, and you can't perfectly control tire slip, but you CAN control the known weight of a drum and then calculate power and torque based on how quickly you can turn it.

Unless a shop gets creative with where they take their ambient temp measurements (and some do...), values across dynojet units are VERY comparable.

Too many other adjustable variables come into play with other (e.g., load holding) dynamometers , so very, very difficult to make comparisons, sometimes even on the same car.

In any case, the final numbers sound similar to dynojet derived values with similar mods, so congrats

Niztalgic · 06-12-2013, 11:45 PM

Awdtuning are not good with uprev I know from experience.

7speed · 06-12-2013, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niztalgic

Awdtuning are not good with uprev I know from experience.

Guess I can cross them off list.

Maybe khan tuning or jotech

Niztalgic · 06-13-2013, 01:29 PM

I even tried Jotech. It kept throwing codes. Mainly that the car is running too lean. If I were to do it again it would be at uprev in Austin.

Rich@V-Tune · 06-13-2013, 10:36 PM

There are some brand new EcuTek calibrations that were just released. Anyone telling you they'll give you gains of 50+ hp on an NA car with nothing but a tune is full of .. you know what. But are there substantial gains to be made from the tune? Absolutely. EcuTek is really going to give Uprev a run for its money, especially when the RaceRom features get perfected. You guys should check it out!

HKYStormFront · 06-13-2013, 11:03 PM

50 hp off a tune alone? highly unlikely. that first number sounds waayyy low. the after is just about right tho

ltullos · 11-17-2013, 07:55 PM

Following up on your low stock numbers, Keith gave me this printout comparing stock (RED), another CAI+CBE mod (GREEN) and mine (BLUE - JWT pop charger + FI CBE). As far as your stock numbers, they don't seem to be that much out of line with this one. I think he named his Mustang Dyno "Heartbreaker". My tuned numbers are in line with what others have reported getting from Seb & Greg at Speciality Z, so Keith is doing something right!

dyno report

Jordo! · 11-18-2013, 02:31 PM

You didn't gain nearly 20% in power from a tune on a N/A car... it's impossible. Maybe if 2 cylinders weren't firing and now suddenly are...

Mustangs and all other load holding dynos are superior for tuning, but not for taking reliable, repeatable, and meaningful measures.

Whatever you made stock will remain a mystery (but was probably around 275 - 280 on a dynojet).

Find a dynojet, and you will have numbers that can be more easily compared to other vehicles measured on other dynojets. They are very, very consistent from shop to shop model to model.

Only weather and correction factor choice will obfuscate things -- no correction factor is perfect and treat SAE as a "lower bound" and STD as an "upper bound" on what you will be actually putting down on any given day under those approximate ambient conditions.

Anyway, something in the 295 - 300 ball park is probably close to what you will find on a dynojet with those mods. Perhaps a bit more with nice weather and generous correction factor.

EDIT: Whoops, I didn't realize I had commented on this already some time ago...

05-25-2013, 02:37 PM	#17 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	Yes the license is written to the ECU so you can get it retuned by any Uprev shop and just pay the hourly rate for tuning. __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

05-27-2013, 05:37 PM	#18 (permalink)
chrischhorn A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Mililani, HI Posts: 1,566 Drives: 2014 Juke Nismo RS Rep Power: 16	Had a friend go to them with his G37. They did a decent job. A few months later some of us took a trip down to Austin to UpRev and UpRev still pulled another 13whp out of their tune. Its worth it to take the trip to Austin for the tune. Niztalgic likes this. __________________ R.I.P. 8/01/13 1SlowZ One day I'll have another....

05-27-2013, 08:17 PM	#19 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	This is why I am skeptical of all values not derived from a dynojet, ideally with SAE correction (or STD for FI'd cars). You can't control the weather (and no correction factor is perfect), you can't control every transient trim on the ECU, and you can't perfectly control tire slip, but you CAN control the known weight of a drum and then calculate power and torque based on how quickly you can turn it. Unless a shop gets creative with where they take their ambient temp measurements (and some do...), values across dynojet units are VERY comparable. Too many other adjustable variables come into play with other (e.g., load holding) dynamometers , so very, very difficult to make comparisons, sometimes even on the same car. In any case, the final numbers sound similar to dynojet derived values with similar mods, so congrats __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 05-27-2013 at 08:21 PM.

06-12-2013, 11:45 PM	#20 (permalink)
Niztalgic Base Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Mckinney TX Age: 42 Posts: 43 Drives: 10 370z nismo prl Rep Power: 13	Awdtuning are not good with uprev I know from experience. __________________ Hks hi pwr cbe - z1 cats - gtm stg1 sc - hks spark plugs - innovative afr gauge - defi boost gauge - Jwt oil pan spacer - 25 row oil cooler w/ spal fan and vented fender liner - z1 silicone hoses - uprev - specialty z clutch - 180 custom - VLEDS -ISS 20" complex 5 20" 275/325. Powertrix Coilovers

06-13-2013, 01:29 PM	#22 (permalink)
Niztalgic Base Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Mckinney TX Age: 42 Posts: 43 Drives: 10 370z nismo prl Rep Power: 13	I even tried Jotech. It kept throwing codes. Mainly that the car is running too lean. If I were to do it again it would be at uprev in Austin. DEpointfive0 likes this. __________________ Hks hi pwr cbe - z1 cats - gtm stg1 sc - hks spark plugs - innovative afr gauge - defi boost gauge - Jwt oil pan spacer - 25 row oil cooler w/ spal fan and vented fender liner - z1 silicone hoses - uprev - specialty z clutch - 180 custom - VLEDS -ISS 20" complex 5 20" 275/325. Powertrix Coilovers

05-25-2013, 01:58 PM	#16 (permalink)
antisocial83 Base Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: mckinney Posts: 29 Drives: 2010 370Z Rep Power: 12	It was $300 for the license, $350 for the tune. They are a big name for tuning subarus around here so i trusted them. Unfortunately timing wise i had to drop off and pick up as they were closing so i didn't get to ask as many questions as i'd like...but like i said, i trusted their rep. Its really hard to say how I feel about the tune though. Driving for a few days now i can tell you for a fact its not anything close to +50 whp. I will probably throw on HFC, maybe headers(maybe not since SC is planned) and get a tune at one of the other local shops. My uprev license is written to my ecu now, is that correct? Its a 6MT btw. Thanks for all the feedback though.

06-13-2013, 10:36 PM	#23 (permalink)
Rich@V-Tune Base Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Annapolis Posts: 11 Drives: 2012 VW GLI M6 Rep Power: 12	There are some brand new EcuTek calibrations that were just released. Anyone telling you they'll give you gains of 50+ hp on an NA car with nothing but a tune is full of .. you know what. But are there substantial gains to be made from the tune? Absolutely. EcuTek is really going to give Uprev a run for its money, especially when the RaceRom features get perfected. You guys should check it out!

06-13-2013, 11:03 PM	#24 (permalink)
HKYStormFront A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Greer, SC Posts: 14,954 Drives: 06 Frontier SE 6spd Rep Power: 52	50 hp off a tune alone? highly unlikely. that first number sounds waayyy low. the after is just about right tho __________________ Patrick // 06 Frontier 6spd Nismosis // Mods: Uprev Tuned @ Z1 Motorsports: 257whp & 292 ft lbs 09 Pontiac G8 GXP // M6 // Sunroof // Tint... For now

11-17-2013, 07:55 PM	#25 (permalink)
ltullos Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: DFW Posts: 312 Drives: 2016 Nismo Tech MT Rep Power: 14	More dyno curves from AWDTuning Following up on your low stock numbers, Keith gave me this printout comparing stock (RED), another CAI+CBE mod (GREEN) and mine (BLUE - JWT pop charger + FI CBE). As far as your stock numbers, they don't seem to be that much out of line with this one. I think he named his Mustang Dyno "Heartbreaker". My tuned numbers are in line with what others have reported getting from Seb & Greg at Speciality Z, so Keith is doing something right! dyno report

11-18-2013, 02:31 PM	#26 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	You didn't gain nearly 20% in power from a tune on a N/A car... it's impossible. Maybe if 2 cylinders weren't firing and now suddenly are... Mustangs and all other load holding dynos are superior for tuning, but not for taking reliable, repeatable, and meaningful measures. Whatever you made stock will remain a mystery (but was probably around 275 - 280 on a dynojet). Find a dynojet, and you will have numbers that can be more easily compared to other vehicles measured on other dynojets. They are very, very consistent from shop to shop model to model. Only weather and correction factor choice will obfuscate things -- no correction factor is perfect and treat SAE as a "lower bound" and STD as an "upper bound" on what you will be actually putting down on any given day under those approximate ambient conditions. Anyway, something in the 295 - 300 ball park is probably close to what you will find on a dynojet with those mods. Perhaps a bit more with nice weather and generous correction factor. EDIT: Whoops, I didn't realize I had commented on this already some time ago... Chuck33079 likes this. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 11-19-2013 at 04:29 AM.

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