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Originally Posted by Baer383 If you guys need proof like that to justify CAI I suggest a easier game like checkers maybe. I never said some gains weren't possible, but

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Old 05-19-2013, 09:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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If you guys need proof like that to justify CAI I suggest a easier game like checkers maybe.
I never said some gains weren't possible, but it is not because the air is significantly COLDER versus stock as you claim...

Show me all the high performace cars that come with an aftermarket style CAI from the factory...the automotive engineers all around the world didn't screw the pooch that bad.

I'm not hatin' on CAI either. I have had them on my previous vehicles.

I take it you aren't an engineer? And for the record I whoop a$$ at checkers btw

Back on topic now...still looking forward to results OP.
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I never said some gains weren't possible, but it is not because the air is significantly COLDER versus stock as you claim...

Show me all the high performace cars that come with an aftermarket style CAI from the factory...the automotive engineers all around the world didn't screw the pooch that bad.

I'm not hatin' on CAI either. I have had them on my previous vehicles.

I take it you aren't an engineer? And for the record I whoop a$$ at checkers btw

Back on topic now...still looking forward to results OP.

The problem is you guys need so much reassurance about products and what they do I'm surprised anything get sold,And I'm not a engineer but have been working on cars for a living for 28 years and don't need to be told what is what or any reassurance on what works and what doesn't my Rep and opinion in this community speak for them selves.
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The problem is you guys need so much reassurance about products and what they do I'm surprised anything get sold,And I'm not a engineer but have been working on cars for a living for 28 years and don't need to be told what is what or any reassurance on what works and what doesn't my Rep and opinion in this community speak for them selves.
There's nothing wrong with a little reassurance before you spend a good chunk of cash. If no one needed reassurance then there's no point in ever dynoing a car...just data log your A/F ratio's while you drive around town and adjust the maps accordingly. No need to prove your HP gains to anyone and say "just trust me".

I'm not doubting your rep, automotive experience, or ability to work on cars but the physics has to make sense for a claim to hold water (or in this case air).

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I think that people forget that the acronym CAI stands for COLD air intake

Of course you are going to make more power , cold air is more dense than hot air.
HP gains are possible with a CAI but NOT because the air coming in is any COLDER. That's a marketing ploy that just appears logical.

I'm gonna stop repeating myself now. My apologies to the OP for derailing further, happy Sunday!
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I never said some gains weren't possible, but it is not because the air is significantly COLDER versus stock as you claim...

Show me all the high performace cars that come with an aftermarket style CAI from the factory...the automotive engineers all around the world didn't screw the pooch that bad.

I'm not hatin' on CAI either. I have had them on my previous vehicles.

I take it you aren't an engineer? And for the record I whoop a$$ at checkers btw

Back on topic now...still looking forward to results OP.
The G3 and Takeda HP increase are probably result of the ram air effect more than "cold air" (especially on g35/37).

That being said cold air does have an effect. In this case cold air being ambient temperature vs engine bay temperature. Cold air is dense due to the molecules low energy level vs warm air whose molecules are more active. The higher volume of air entering your throttle bodies is sensed by your MAF which tells your ECU to increase the amount of fuel thus more HP. In an essence same thing forced induction does forcing MORE air molecules into the system only to a much larger scale.

And before you start trying to poke your chest out being you are an "engineer" I have a degree in aeronautical engineering...
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That being said cold air does have an effect. In this case cold air being ambient temperature vs engine bay temperature. Cold air is dense due to the molecules low energy level vs warm air whose molecules are more active. The higher volume of air entering your throttle bodies is sensed by your MAF which tells your ECU to increase the amount of fuel thus more HP. In an essence same thing forced induction does forcing MORE air molecules into the system only to a much larger scale.
...I think we're done discussing this, you guys are missing the entire point I was trying to make. Please PM me if you'd like to side bar.

I hope the OP comes back with dyno charts soon so we can bring this thread back on topic.

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The G3 and Takeda HP increase are probably result of the ram air effect more than "cold air" (especially on g35/37).

That being said cold air does have an effect. In this case cold air being ambient temperature vs engine bay temperature. Cold air is dense due to the molecules low energy level vs warm air whose molecules are more active. The higher volume of air entering your throttle bodies is sensed by your MAF which tells your ECU to increase the amount of fuel thus more HP. In an essence same thing forced induction does forcing MORE air molecules into the system only to a much larger scale.

And before you start trying to poke your chest out being you are an "engineer" I have a degree in aeronautical engineering...
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