Visconti Tuning STG1 Flash (EcuTek RaceRom)

GarageLine.com · 04-25-2013, 09:29 AM

He's got nothing to hide.

Sh0velMan · 04-25-2013, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by G37Sam

Asking a tuner for datalogs is like asking a chef for his recipe. He won't share unless he's an amateur

Not really. Asking a tuner for datalogs is like asking the chef for nutritional facts about his food.

May be insulting, but it's not going to "give away his secrets".

Sh0velMan · 04-25-2013, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GarageLine.com

John,

Do you have any logs to post in csv or raw? Particularly that show the timing curve?

This is all I wanted when I asked for logs earlier in this thread.

I want to see a datalog supporting their claims that they have unimpeded control of timing and compare it against my own experiences with UpRev.

G37Sam · 04-25-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

Not really. Asking a tuner for datalogs is like asking the chef for nutritional facts about his food.

May be insulting, but it's not going to "give away his secrets".

The nutritional facts are posted in the first post

You're requesting datalogs which will reveal his ignition timing tables aka recipe that got him to these results.

Sh0velMan · 04-25-2013, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by G37Sam

The nutritional facts are posted in the first post

You're requesting datalogs which will reveal his ignition timing tables aka recipe that got him to these results.

The analogy is getting worn out now, but now, those charts are like taking a bite and seeing how it tastes without tasting the alternative first.

Those results mean nothing if he didn't try with UpRev first.

Plenty of people get huge gains over un-tuned with UpRev and have for years.

Timing traces on UpRev all kind of look the same with this car.

Showing the timing traces during those pulls to be significantly different from what can be accomplished with UpRev will prove that this software has a leg up. Otherwise that's just another dyno graph showing that a tune helps make more power, which is a given.

There is no secret to timing. You add advance until you get knock and then back it off. We just want proof that he's actually able to add that timing. Words are wind.

Sh0velMan · 04-25-2013, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by G37Sam

The nutritional facts are posted in the first post

You're requesting datalogs which will reveal his ignition timing tables aka recipe that got him to these results.

Also, this is spoken like someone who really doesn't know much about how tuning these cars works in the software out there.

I'm not asking for screenshots or dumps of his tables. I just want to see what the car actually did with those tables.

Totally different.

GarageLine.com · 04-25-2013, 12:03 PM

I am not trying to give John Visconti any flack if the tool works or not. I just want to know if it really does have timing control. I am working on a few things for the shop car that this could be big part making some serious naturally aspirated power. If you don't have timing control you can completely forget it about it.

Vince@R/T · 04-25-2013, 12:33 PM

From someone who has probably seen more UPREV datalogs then anyone in the country, I can see from the dyno graph that the ECUTEK def has timing full timing control. As soon as we get one in here within the next few weeks I can elaborate more.

Vince

GarageLine.com · 04-25-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince@R/T

From someone who has probably seen more UPREV datalogs then anyone in the country, I can see from the dyno graph that the ECUTEK def has timing full timing control. As soon as we get one in here within the next few weeks I can elaborate more.

Vince

This is good to hear other people are having and seeing the same things I have been.

indyn · 04-25-2013, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince@R/T

From someone who has probably seen more UPREV datalogs then anyone in the country, I can see from the dyno graph that the ECUTEK def has timing full timing control. As soon as we get one in here within the next few weeks I can elaborate more.

Vince

^^

maybe I've to visit you Vince for a Ecutek tune.

visconti · 04-26-2013, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

The analogy is getting worn out now, but now, those charts are like taking a bite and seeing how it tastes without tasting the alternative first.

Those results mean nothing if he didn't try with UpRev first.

Plenty of people get huge gains over un-tuned with UpRev and have for years.

Timing traces on UpRev all kind of look the same with this car.

Showing the timing traces during those pulls to be significantly different from what can be accomplished with UpRev will prove that this software has a leg up. Otherwise that's just another dyno graph showing that a tune helps make more power, which is a given.

There is no secret to timing. You add advance until you get knock and then back it off. We just want proof that he's actually able to add that timing. Words are wind.

We? You just want proof.. Lol

Vince@R/T · 04-26-2013, 09:08 AM

^^^ Visconti has been with ECUTEK for a long time and him stating they have full timing control and ECUTEK releasing the software specifically with full timing control features, really should be enough.

MyKindaGuise · 04-26-2013, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Vince@R/T

^^^ Visconti has been with ECUTEK for a long time and him stating they have full timing control and ECUTEK releasing the software specifically with full timing control features, really should be enough.

NO! It's all a conspiracy apparently.

Sh0velMan · 04-26-2013, 10:32 AM

Ha..

Not saying I want proof that there's the ability to do what they say they're doing in the tuning software.

I want proof that it's actually translating to the car doing something different with the new input.

A dyno chart showing untuned vs tuned doesn't do that for me. A simple two value log (RPM and ignition timing) would.

Oh well.

G37Sam · 04-26-2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

A dyno chart showing untuned vs tuned doesn't do that for me. A simple two value log (RPM and ignition timing) would.

Oh well.

"Mr. Magician, can you please show me how you pulled a rabbit out of that hat?"

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GarageLine.com Track Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Posts: 937 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 15	I am not trying to give John Visconti any flack if the tool works or not. I just want to know if it really does have timing control. I am working on a few things for the shop car that this could be big part making some serious naturally aspirated power. If you don't have timing control you can completely forget it about it. __________________ http://garageline.com/img/garageline...1507327689.jpg www.GarageLine.com \| Sales@GarageLine.com \| Like US on Facebook

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Vince@R/T Base Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Lansdale PA Posts: 87 Drives: 99 GS400 Rep Power: 14	From someone who has probably seen more UPREV datalogs then anyone in the country, I can see from the dyno graph that the ECUTEK def has timing full timing control. As soon as we get one in here within the next few weeks I can elaborate more. Vince cdoxp800, JARblue, DEpointfive0 and 1 others like this.

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Vince@R/T Base Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Lansdale PA Posts: 87 Drives: 99 GS400 Rep Power: 14	^^^ Visconti has been with ECUTEK for a long time and him stating they have full timing control and ECUTEK releasing the software specifically with full timing control features, really should be enough. faya likes this. Last edited by Vince@R/T; 04-26-2013 at 10:03 AM.

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Sh0velMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Dallas/Ft.Worth Posts: 3,349 Drives: Noisily. Rep Power: 20	Ha.. Not saying I want proof that there's the ability to do what they say they're doing in the tuning software. I want proof that it's actually translating to the car doing something different with the new input. A dyno chart showing untuned vs tuned doesn't do that for me. A simple two value log (RPM and ignition timing) would. Oh well. __________________ Buy My Car! \| Build Thread

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