Cobb vs UpRev

FricFrac · 07-05-2009, 02:46 AM

Ok so from what I can tell these are the two systems we can use to load our own Maps and mod our ECU. From the sounds of it the UpRev binds to the first ECU you use it on and that's it - you're done. Does anyone know if the Cobb unit is based on a licence system as well so that you can only use it on one vehicle? Seems very costly for what is basically an EEPROM programmer for your ECU.... especially if they are only allowing you to program a single vehicle with it.

Other than that what are the differences between these two systems?

One_Quick_Z · 07-05-2009, 09:05 AM

Yes it is based on a "one car one handheld" Basis

And with my experience with the Access port on my 350Z dont get it use the Uprev

DAN

shabarivas · 07-05-2009, 12:58 PM

APs are super common in the stock boosted car world - like Evos and Stis have great success with em. I have one from my Evo that im waiting to get reprogrammed for the Z. It is much easier to use than the uprev and a lot of vendors are using it now.

FricFrac · 07-05-2009, 01:03 PM

So the Cobb system is for only one vehicle as well? If my friend has a CEL on his car I can't use my AP to clear it because its linked to my car?

import111 · 07-05-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac

So the Cobb system is for only one vehicle as well? If my friend has a CEL on his car I can't use my AP to clear it because its linked to my car?

Yes, the Cobb AP gets "married" to the vehicle and can't be used on another until it is "un-married" from the original vehicle.

NIZMOZ · 07-05-2009, 02:12 PM

UPREV you can tune the car yourself. Cobb you can not and must take it to a tuner.

FricFrac · 07-05-2009, 04:18 PM

NIzmoz isn't the AP tuneable?

CobbTuning.com - AccessTUNER Pro - Public Release

NIZMOZ · 07-05-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac

NIzmoz isn't the AP tuneable?

CobbTuning.com - AccessTUNER Pro - Public Release

Again, YOU do not have access to the tuning software yourself. You must have a Pro Tuner do it for you. UPREV sells you the tuning software so you can do it yourself.

And UPREV tuning is way more powerful than Cobbs will ever be.

semtex · 07-05-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

And UPREV tuning is way more powerful than Cobbs will ever be.

Can you elaborate on this? In what way is it more "powerful"?

Togo · 07-05-2009, 08:10 PM

With the Cobb unit can you raise the rev limit similar to that of a ECU Flash by Technosquare?

import111 · 07-05-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

Again, YOU do not have access to the tuning software yourself. You must have a Pro Tuner do it for you. UPREV sells you the tuning software so you can do it yourself.

And UPREV tuning is way more powerful than Cobbs will ever be.

I am not sure about the 370Z, but with all years of the STi Cobb sells the tuning software so you can tune it your self. I would assume that they will make that available for the 370Z also. I would also like to know how UPREV is more "powerful" than Cobb?

Togo · 07-05-2009, 08:20 PM

I just want to make sure I'm following this all correctly so someone please correct me if I'm mistaken but:

Cobb makes 2 units. One that lets you just upload pre-made "canned" maps. The second one lets you upload the canned maps, OR have someone with the soft ware dyno tune/professionally tune the ECU. The Cobb also allows you to change maps on the fly, 15 seconds I thought I read, including a Valet Map?

UpRev is a unit that comes with software that you yourself can use to tune your ECU.

Technosquare - just reflashes the ECU with their map.

semtex · 07-05-2009, 08:31 PM

You can also get a dyno tune with UpRev.

semtex · 07-05-2009, 08:34 PM

Here's what I'm trying to figure out. If you're going to get a dyno tune, is one really better than the other? I mean, if you're planning to use the canned maps, then I can see how one might be better. But if you're going to have a tuner custom tune your car on the dyno anyway, then what difference does it make? All the software is doing at that point is giving the tuner an interface to the ECU and allow him to modify the parameters. Do one of these software packages give tuners access to some parameters that the other doesn't? If so, then that would make one better than the other. But if both of them give the tuner access and control to the exact same parameters, then I wouldn't think it'd make a difference in terms of being able to get better gains out of one over the other.

Togo · 07-05-2009, 08:35 PM

Thanks Semtex. I figured you could just have a pro do it instead of doing it yourself but yeah I don't know that I'd want to be screwing with tuning my own ECU. God forbid I leaned that **** all the way out.

BOOM!

07-05-2009, 02:46 AM	#1 (permalink)
FricFrac A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 1,481 Drives: 370Z 300ZX 280ZX 240 Rep Power: 229	Cobb vs UpRev Ok so from what I can tell these are the two systems we can use to load our own Maps and mod our ECU. From the sounds of it the UpRev binds to the first ECU you use it on and that's it - you're done. Does anyone know if the Cobb unit is based on a licence system as well so that you can only use it on one vehicle? Seems very costly for what is basically an EEPROM programmer for your ECU.... especially if they are only allowing you to program a single vehicle with it. Other than that what are the differences between these two systems? __________________ '09 370Z - '93 300ZX Vert - '83 280ZX - '83 280ZXT -'81 280ZXT stroker - '72 240Z - Stillen CBE, HFC, G3, Grounding Kit, Sways // Swift Spring // H&R 15mm // 5% Tint // Clear Bra //

07-05-2009, 09:05 AM	#2 (permalink)
One_Quick_Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Seneca Il Posts: 1,374 Drives: 10 Civic EX Sedan Rep Power: 219	Yes it is based on a "one car one handheld" Basis And with my experience with the Access port on my 350Z dont get it use the Uprev DAN __________________ -My BRZ with exhaust will decimate all if we overnight parts from Japan- 10 Civic EX Sedan- Current Daily

07-05-2009, 01:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
FricFrac A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 1,481 Drives: 370Z 300ZX 280ZX 240 Rep Power: 229	So the Cobb system is for only one vehicle as well? If my friend has a CEL on his car I can't use my AP to clear it because its linked to my car? __________________ '09 370Z - '93 300ZX Vert - '83 280ZX - '83 280ZXT -'81 280ZXT stroker - '72 240Z - Stillen CBE, HFC, G3, Grounding Kit, Sways // Swift Spring // H&R 15mm // 5% Tint // Clear Bra //

07-05-2009, 02:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
NIZMOZ Track Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 634 Drives: 07 NISMO 350Z SA M6 Rep Power: 491	UPREV you can tune the car yourself. Cobb you can not and must take it to a tuner. __________________ SOLD: 2007 NISMO 350Z #0044 Silver Alloy New DD: 2010 Titan Pro4X CC

07-05-2009, 04:18 PM	#7 (permalink)
FricFrac A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Victoria, BC Posts: 1,481 Drives: 370Z 300ZX 280ZX 240 Rep Power: 229	NIzmoz isn't the AP tuneable? CobbTuning.com - AccessTUNER Pro - Public Release __________________ '09 370Z - '93 300ZX Vert - '83 280ZX - '83 280ZXT -'81 280ZXT stroker - '72 240Z - Stillen CBE, HFC, G3, Grounding Kit, Sways // Swift Spring // H&R 15mm // 5% Tint // Clear Bra //

07-05-2009, 12:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 914	APs are super common in the stock boosted car world - like Evos and Stis have great success with em. I have one from my Evo that im waiting to get reprogrammed for the Z. It is much easier to use than the uprev and a lot of vendors are using it now.

07-05-2009, 08:10 PM	#10 (permalink)
Togo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: E. Northport, NY Posts: 7,597 Drives: Stuff Rep Power: 657	With the Cobb unit can you raise the rev limit similar to that of a ECU Flash by Technosquare?

07-05-2009, 08:20 PM	#12 (permalink)
Togo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: E. Northport, NY Posts: 7,597 Drives: Stuff Rep Power: 657	I just want to make sure I'm following this all correctly so someone please correct me if I'm mistaken but: Cobb makes 2 units. One that lets you just upload pre-made "canned" maps. The second one lets you upload the canned maps, OR have someone with the soft ware dyno tune/professionally tune the ECU. The Cobb also allows you to change maps on the fly, 15 seconds I thought I read, including a Valet Map? UpRev is a unit that comes with software that you yourself can use to tune your ECU. Technosquare - just reflashes the ECU with their map.

07-05-2009, 08:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	You can also get a dyno tune with UpRev. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

07-05-2009, 08:34 PM	#14 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	Here's what I'm trying to figure out. If you're going to get a dyno tune, is one really better than the other? I mean, if you're planning to use the canned maps, then I can see how one might be better. But if you're going to have a tuner custom tune your car on the dyno anyway, then what difference does it make? All the software is doing at that point is giving the tuner an interface to the ECU and allow him to modify the parameters. Do one of these software packages give tuners access to some parameters that the other doesn't? If so, then that would make one better than the other. But if both of them give the tuner access and control to the exact same parameters, then I wouldn't think it'd make a difference in terms of being able to get better gains out of one over the other. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

07-05-2009, 08:35 PM	#15 (permalink)
Togo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: E. Northport, NY Posts: 7,597 Drives: Stuff Rep Power: 657	Thanks Semtex. I figured you could just have a pro do it instead of doing it yourself but yeah I don't know that I'd want to be screwing with tuning my own ECU. God forbid I leaned that **** all the way out. BOOM!

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