Cobb vs UpRev

Togo · 07-05-2009, 07:35 PM

Thanks Semtex. I figured you could just have a pro do it instead of doing it yourself but yeah I don't know that I'd want to be screwing with tuning my own ECU. God forbid I leaned that **** all the way out.

BOOM!

semtex · 07-05-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Togo

Thanks Semtex. I figured you could just have a pro do it instead of doing it yourself but yeah I don't know that I'd want to be screwing with tuning my own ECU. God forbid I leaned that **** all the way out.

BOOM!

Well, there's a lot more to tuning than just tweaking the AFR. You can tweak the ignition timing, for example. But like I said in my previous post, I'm a little confused myself at this point. If you can get a dyno tune with both UpRev and Cobb, then is one really better than the other in terms of hp gain? I would think that the answer is no, as long as both give the tuner an equal amount of control and flexibility over all the pertinent parameters. I'm no expert on tuning though, so if I'm wrong, someone please jump in.

I actually talked to Sharif at Forged last week and gave him the green light to order in a Cobb unit for my Z so that he can dyno tune it. I want to make sure I'm not shooting myself in the foot. If I find out several months from now that Sharif would've been able to get even more hp out of my car had we used UpRev instead of Cobb for the tuning, I will not be a happy camper!

Uprev · 07-13-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Togo

Thanks Semtex. I figured you could just have a pro do it instead of doing it yourself but yeah I don't know that I'd want to be screwing with tuning my own ECU. God forbid I leaned that **** all the way out.

BOOM!

We offer it both ways. The Pro Tuner can tune it for you, or if you want to tune it yourself you can buy that system also. We're far more flexible in our offerings than other companies also. That tends to be somewhat confusing to people as they aren't use to having choices. But it works for us.

Some people will buy the Osiris Tuner so they can adjust their car, but they will have a Pro Tuner set up the original tune on it. That way they can adjust their car for different tracks etc. They have the software available in the event something happens also. We have a tone of SCCA and NASA teams that use our software, and if a motor dies between events and they need to replace it, they will need to adjust that tune. Sometimes they don't have time to get a full new dyno tune between events, and we're their saving grace.

Other customers just want their car to run right, they don't care about having Cipher for data logging or diagnostics. They can go to a Pro Tuner, buy an Osiris License and a tune and be done. By far the cheapest solution on the market for that customer.

Also our system is upgradeable. Start with the Osiris License and a tune because thats what your budget allows, then add the Cipher at a later date. You can upgrade to Osiris Tuner even if you'd like.

FricFrac · 07-15-2009, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Uprev

We offer it both ways. The Pro Tuner can tune it for you, or if you want to tune it yourself you can buy that system also. We're far more flexible in our offerings than other companies also. That tends to be somewhat confusing to people as they aren't use to having choices. But it works for us.

Some people will buy the Osiris Tuner so they can adjust their car, but they will have a Pro Tuner set up the original tune on it. That way they can adjust their car for different tracks etc. They have the software available in the event something happens also. We have a tone of SCCA and NASA teams that use our software, and if a motor dies between events and they need to replace it, they will need to adjust that tune. Sometimes they don't have time to get a full new dyno tune between events, and we're their saving grace.

Other customers just want their car to run right, they don't care about having Cipher for data logging or diagnostics. They can go to a Pro Tuner, buy an Osiris License and a tune and be done. By far the cheapest solution on the market for that customer.

Also our system is upgradeable. Start with the Osiris License and a tune because thats what your budget allows, then add the Cipher at a later date. You can upgrade to Osiris Tuner even if you'd like.

So do we have any sort of ETA?

semtex · 07-15-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac

So do we have any sort of ETA?

Yeah no kidding. I personally got a little chuckle when UpRev made the following claim:

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We control more tables more accurately. We also give Pro Tuners and end user Tuners more access to additional features than anyone else.

Those statements may be true based on the products they've released for other cars, but as it pertains to the 370Z, until their stuff is released, it's vaporware. Don't get me wrong, I've heard nothing but good things about UpRev and have high expectations for their 370Z software. Heck, there's a good chance that I'll end up going with them. But coming out and claiming that your stuff is better than the other guys before you've even finished with development just seems kinda cocky to me. To be honest, it's a bit of a turnoff. Also, I believe the forum rules state that one needs to be a forum sponsor if he wants to push his products on the forum.

nightfire · 07-15-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Yeah no kidding. I personally got a little chuckle when UpRev made the following claim:

Those statements may be true based on the products they've released for other cars, but as it pertains to the 370Z, until their stuff is released, it's vaporware. Don't get me wrong, I've heard nothing but good things about UpRev and have high expectations for their 370Z software. Heck, there's a good chance that I'll end up going with them. But coming out and claiming that your stuff is better than the other guys before you've even finished with development just seems kinda cocky to me. To be honest, it's a bit of a turnoff. Also, I believe the forum rules state that one needs to be a forum sponsor if he wants to push his products on the forum.

+1

t-ray · 07-15-2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Those statements may be true based on the products they've released for other cars, but as it pertains to the 370Z, until their stuff is released, it's vaporware. Don't get me wrong, I've heard nothing but good things about UpRev and have high expectations for their 370Z software. Heck, there's a good chance that I'll end up going with them. But coming out and claiming that your stuff is better than the other guys before you've even finished with development just seems kinda cocky to me. To be honest, it's a bit of a turnoff. Also, I believe the forum rules state that one needs to be a forum sponsor if he wants to push his products on the forum.

Technically, the product isn't out yet, so I don't know if he's violating rules or not.

I love the potential offered by the product, even though I'm not an owner. However, as much as I love what I have read about the product, I'm not too fond of the company.

** Edit -
Another benefit of UpRev not posting as a sponsor - we can discuss things objectively without the poster getting all butthurt and threatening to have threads pulled/edited/closed by throwing around sponsorship weight.

On another forum I suggested that UpRev make Cipher open source, and still charge for the cable. Or at least open up the software to other developers with a core api. There are some awesome things the community could build if we had that low-level api already done for us. But the reaction was a typical knee-jerk "but we're in business to make money" response. That's a typical response from some one that is not in the software business. People in the software business have figured out how to still make money while giving certain things away for free decades ago.

My issue wasn't with the company's response. It was the tone and verbiage used; I was insulted. I speak to my 12 year old son with more respect than was present in the response I received from UpRev. That cost them a customer. That's the primary reason I haven't ditched the utec and gone the full Osiris+Cipher route.

wstar · 07-15-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Those statements may be true based on the products they've released for other cars, but as it pertains to the 370Z, until their stuff is released, it's vaporware. Don't get me wrong, I've heard nothing but good things about UpRev and have high expectations for their 370Z software. Heck, there's a good chance that I'll end up going with them. But coming out and claiming that your stuff is better than the other guys before you've even finished with development just seems kinda cocky to me. To be honest, it's a bit of a turnoff. Also, I believe the forum rules state that one needs to be a forum sponsor if he wants to push his products on the forum.

It's really hard work, I work on similar stuff professionally, just not for cars. Their various statements about superiority are based on the fact that they're taking an entirely different approach to the problem than other vendors. Their approach is a lot more difficult to pull off from a technical perspective, but it does in result in a completely different level of control. It's not like other parts, like an exhaust, where nobody really knows how two things will stack up until it hits the dyno. They already know their approach is superior if more difficult to accomplish.

As far as vaporware status: they've clearly (1) already done this for previous-gen Nissan cars and released it, and (2) already done all the hard parts for this car, as it has been used privately for TT tuning of a VQ37VHR already. They're just still polishing up the loose ends before they release it to the public.

Scribe · 07-15-2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Uprev

We offer it both ways. The Pro Tuner can tune it for you, or if you want to tune it yourself you can buy that system also. We're far more flexible in our offerings than other companies also. That tends to be somewhat confusing to people as they aren't use to having choices. But it works for us.

Some people will buy the Osiris Tuner so they can adjust their car, but they will have a Pro Tuner set up the original tune on it. That way they can adjust their car for different tracks etc. They have the software available in the event something happens also. We have a tone of SCCA and NASA teams that use our software, and if a motor dies between events and they need to replace it, they will need to adjust that tune. Sometimes they don't have time to get a full new dyno tune between events, and we're their saving grace.

Other customers just want their car to run right, they don't care about having Cipher for data logging or diagnostics. They can go to a Pro Tuner, buy an Osiris License and a tune and be done. By far the cheapest solution on the market for that customer.

Also our system is upgradeable. Start with the Osiris License and a tune because thats what your budget allows, then add the Cipher at a later date. You can upgrade to Osiris Tuner even if you'd like.

I don't want to totally highjack this thread, but want to take the talk about the posabilities of the stock ecu with Uprev.

Uprev sounds a lot like DSMLink from when I when I had my GSXes. It turns the stock ECU into a kind of 'standalone' unit, allowing you to monitor everything and alter a lot of things that the ECU can.

Uprev apparently can handle forced induction, but I'm wondering about overwriting the tables for a VK50 swap. Any input on whether your software would allow the stock VQ37 tables to be overwritten to allow someone to maintain the stock ECU with a modified wiring harness? The other option is to use the VK50 ECU for the engine and VQ37 ECU for the chasis, or try and modify the chasis harness to work with the FX50 ECU, either of which is acceptable, but not ideal. I'm also looking at a 'full standalone' option.

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Togo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: E. Northport, NY Posts: 7,597 Drives: Stuff Rep Power: 657	Thanks Semtex. I figured you could just have a pro do it instead of doing it yourself but yeah I don't know that I'd want to be screwing with tuning my own ECU. God forbid I leaned that **** all the way out. BOOM!