Cobb vs UpRev

import111 · 07-05-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NIZMOZ

Again, YOU do not have access to the tuning software yourself. You must have a Pro Tuner do it for you. UPREV sells you the tuning software so you can do it yourself.

And UPREV tuning is way more powerful than Cobbs will ever be.

I am not sure about the 370Z, but with all years of the STi Cobb sells the tuning software so you can tune it your self. I would assume that they will make that available for the 370Z also. I would also like to know how UPREV is more "powerful" than Cobb?

Togo · 07-05-2009, 07:10 PM

With the Cobb unit can you raise the rev limit similar to that of a ECU Flash by Technosquare?

Togo · 07-05-2009, 07:20 PM

I just want to make sure I'm following this all correctly so someone please correct me if I'm mistaken but:

Cobb makes 2 units. One that lets you just upload pre-made "canned" maps. The second one lets you upload the canned maps, OR have someone with the soft ware dyno tune/professionally tune the ECU. The Cobb also allows you to change maps on the fly, 15 seconds I thought I read, including a Valet Map?

UpRev is a unit that comes with software that you yourself can use to tune your ECU.

Technosquare - just reflashes the ECU with their map.

Denny McLain · 10-08-2009, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Togo

I just want to make sure I'm following this all correctly so someone please correct me if I'm mistaken but:

Cobb makes 2 units. One that lets you just upload pre-made "canned" maps. The second one lets you upload the canned maps, OR have someone with the soft ware dyno tune/professionally tune the ECU. The Cobb also allows you to change maps on the fly, 15 seconds I thought I read, including a Valet Map?

UpRev is a unit that comes with software that you yourself can use to tune your ECU.

Technosquare - just reflashes the ECU with their map.

Think there is some unintentional misinformation going on here. You can tune with the Cobb Accessport.

In laymen's terms.......Basically the unit is quite slick in my opinion in what it does and how it does it. The Accessport is basically the gateway to accessing your ECU and a regular computer which holds Cobbs tuning software. Upload what's in your ECU (stock program) into the tuning program on a regular computer and you can change whatever you want. Then download it to the Accessport and download it then into your ECU. That simple.

Also you can log data, reset your ECU, diagnose codes to even log 0-60 and quarter mile times. Slick little pooper.

Now the fly in the ointment....... the tuning program is free (the good news), it doesn't work (the bad news). Still under development but you can change fuel/air, rev limit, top speed limiter, etc. However, you cannot change the timing and for some reason the program is pulling out midrange timing on it own. (a bit more of bad news)

Now ya know.

semtex · 07-05-2009, 07:31 PM

You can also get a dyno tune with UpRev.

semtex · 07-05-2009, 07:34 PM

Here's what I'm trying to figure out. If you're going to get a dyno tune, is one really better than the other? I mean, if you're planning to use the canned maps, then I can see how one might be better. But if you're going to have a tuner custom tune your car on the dyno anyway, then what difference does it make? All the software is doing at that point is giving the tuner an interface to the ECU and allow him to modify the parameters. Do one of these software packages give tuners access to some parameters that the other doesn't? If so, then that would make one better than the other. But if both of them give the tuner access and control to the exact same parameters, then I wouldn't think it'd make a difference in terms of being able to get better gains out of one over the other.

Togo · 07-05-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Here's what I'm trying to figure out. If you're going to get a dyno tune, is one really better than the other? I mean, if you're planning to use the canned maps, then I can see how one might be better. But if you're going to have a tuner custom tune your car on the dyno anyway, then what difference does it make? All the software is doing at that point is giving the tuner an interface to the ECU and allow him to modify the parameters. Do one of these software packages give tuners access to some parameters that the other doesn't? If so, then that would make one better than the other. But if both of them give the tuner access and control to the exact same parameters, then I wouldn't think it'd make a difference in terms of being able to get better gains out of one over the other.

I agree completely. I like, however, that the Cobb has a Valet setting. Wouldn't want some 16 year old blasting around, joy riding, in a $35k car with 300 at the wheels.

NIZMOZ · 07-06-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Togo

I agree completely. I like, however, that the Cobb has a Valet setting. Wouldn't want some 16 year old blasting around, joy riding, in a $35k car with 300 at the wheels.

UPREV has 5 maps you can program into your CRUISE control button. You switch between them. VALET is one of them.

Cobb you need to hook up the device to switch maps.

Osiris Standard includes Cipher and utilizes the Cipher cable to reflash and communicate with the vehicle through the OBDII Diag Port. Osiris Standard also includes Map Switching allowing you to use different tunes for different situations and 3 eTune updates you can use at any time.

Osiris Standard is a licensed based system meaning your license will be transferred to the first ECU that is flashed. This vehicle can then be flashed as many times as the user wants, but the flash will not work on any different vehicles. One additional license can be purchased at a discount for enthusiasts that may have more than one vehicle, contact us for details.

Parameters that we will tune include:

* Up to 5 Maps on cruise control equipped vehicles
* Idle RPM
* Speed Limiter
* Electronic Throttle Control to achieve Wide Open Throttle at all speeds.
* Rev Limiter
* DTC disable
* AFR Targets
* Fuel Compensation
* Ignition Timing Advance
* Cam Phasing for equipped vehicles.

Uprev · 07-13-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Here's what I'm trying to figure out. If you're going to get a dyno tune, is one really better than the other? I mean, if you're planning to use the canned maps, then I can see how one might be better. But if you're going to have a tuner custom tune your car on the dyno anyway, then what difference does it make? All the software is doing at that point is giving the tuner an interface to the ECU and allow him to modify the parameters. Do one of these software packages give tuners access to some parameters that the other doesn't? If so, then that would make one better than the other. But if both of them give the tuner access and control to the exact same parameters, then I wouldn't think it'd make a difference in terms of being able to get better gains out of one over the other.

The difference is the control the software has. The stock ECU in these newer Nissans is simply amazing. Leagues ahead of what the aftermarket builds as far as speed and capability.

We control more tables more accurately. We also give Pro Tuners and end user Tuners more access to additional features than anyone else. We also add features over time as customers have requirements that come up.

A Dyno Tune isn't just a dyno tune. If your tuner has more access and more absolute control the car will net more gain. Remember tuning isn't about power it's about efficiency. The more efficient you can make the motor run, the more power and the more mileage you'll net. One thing our customers have always raved about is the driveability. Anyone can add more fuel and push timing, but if you can't make the car drive better why bother? If I was spending $35k on a car, I wouldn't want it to drive like a busted old mid nineties turbo car.

It also depends on who your tuner is. We try and listen to feedback from customers as much as possible. We've cut off three of our Pro Tuners in the last 12 months because of customer complaints. If you look at our list of Pro Tuners you'll notice it grows constantly, and those names are some of the best in the industry.

As an aside, our software doesn't just work on the 350/370, G35/G37, Titan. it works on all Nissan and Infiniti vehicles that use the newer style ECU. We have customers with Versas, Sentras, Altimas, Patrols, Frontiers, Xterras, M35/45, FX35/45 running our software. No other company offers that kind of support for Nissan or Infiniti owners. Thats capability that no one else can offer, or even cares to offer. We also have Pro Tuners world wide and the list keeps growing.

Togo · 07-05-2009, 07:35 PM

Thanks Semtex. I figured you could just have a pro do it instead of doing it yourself but yeah I don't know that I'd want to be screwing with tuning my own ECU. God forbid I leaned that **** all the way out.

BOOM!

semtex · 07-05-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Togo

Thanks Semtex. I figured you could just have a pro do it instead of doing it yourself but yeah I don't know that I'd want to be screwing with tuning my own ECU. God forbid I leaned that **** all the way out.

BOOM!

Well, there's a lot more to tuning than just tweaking the AFR. You can tweak the ignition timing, for example. But like I said in my previous post, I'm a little confused myself at this point. If you can get a dyno tune with both UpRev and Cobb, then is one really better than the other in terms of hp gain? I would think that the answer is no, as long as both give the tuner an equal amount of control and flexibility over all the pertinent parameters. I'm no expert on tuning though, so if I'm wrong, someone please jump in.

I actually talked to Sharif at Forged last week and gave him the green light to order in a Cobb unit for my Z so that he can dyno tune it. I want to make sure I'm not shooting myself in the foot. If I find out several months from now that Sharif would've been able to get even more hp out of my car had we used UpRev instead of Cobb for the tuning, I will not be a happy camper!

Uprev · 07-13-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Togo

Thanks Semtex. I figured you could just have a pro do it instead of doing it yourself but yeah I don't know that I'd want to be screwing with tuning my own ECU. God forbid I leaned that **** all the way out.

BOOM!

We offer it both ways. The Pro Tuner can tune it for you, or if you want to tune it yourself you can buy that system also. We're far more flexible in our offerings than other companies also. That tends to be somewhat confusing to people as they aren't use to having choices. But it works for us.

Some people will buy the Osiris Tuner so they can adjust their car, but they will have a Pro Tuner set up the original tune on it. That way they can adjust their car for different tracks etc. They have the software available in the event something happens also. We have a tone of SCCA and NASA teams that use our software, and if a motor dies between events and they need to replace it, they will need to adjust that tune. Sometimes they don't have time to get a full new dyno tune between events, and we're their saving grace.

Other customers just want their car to run right, they don't care about having Cipher for data logging or diagnostics. They can go to a Pro Tuner, buy an Osiris License and a tune and be done. By far the cheapest solution on the market for that customer.

Also our system is upgradeable. Start with the Osiris License and a tune because thats what your budget allows, then add the Cipher at a later date. You can upgrade to Osiris Tuner even if you'd like.

FricFrac · 07-15-2009, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Uprev

We offer it both ways. The Pro Tuner can tune it for you, or if you want to tune it yourself you can buy that system also. We're far more flexible in our offerings than other companies also. That tends to be somewhat confusing to people as they aren't use to having choices. But it works for us.

Some people will buy the Osiris Tuner so they can adjust their car, but they will have a Pro Tuner set up the original tune on it. That way they can adjust their car for different tracks etc. They have the software available in the event something happens also. We have a tone of SCCA and NASA teams that use our software, and if a motor dies between events and they need to replace it, they will need to adjust that tune. Sometimes they don't have time to get a full new dyno tune between events, and we're their saving grace.

Other customers just want their car to run right, they don't care about having Cipher for data logging or diagnostics. They can go to a Pro Tuner, buy an Osiris License and a tune and be done. By far the cheapest solution on the market for that customer.

Also our system is upgradeable. Start with the Osiris License and a tune because thats what your budget allows, then add the Cipher at a later date. You can upgrade to Osiris Tuner even if you'd like.

So do we have any sort of ETA?

semtex · 07-15-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FricFrac

So do we have any sort of ETA?

Yeah no kidding. I personally got a little chuckle when UpRev made the following claim:

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We control more tables more accurately. We also give Pro Tuners and end user Tuners more access to additional features than anyone else.

Those statements may be true based on the products they've released for other cars, but as it pertains to the 370Z, until their stuff is released, it's vaporware. Don't get me wrong, I've heard nothing but good things about UpRev and have high expectations for their 370Z software. Heck, there's a good chance that I'll end up going with them. But coming out and claiming that your stuff is better than the other guys before you've even finished with development just seems kinda cocky to me. To be honest, it's a bit of a turnoff. Also, I believe the forum rules state that one needs to be a forum sponsor if he wants to push his products on the forum.

nightfire · 07-15-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex

Yeah no kidding. I personally got a little chuckle when UpRev made the following claim:

Those statements may be true based on the products they've released for other cars, but as it pertains to the 370Z, until their stuff is released, it's vaporware. Don't get me wrong, I've heard nothing but good things about UpRev and have high expectations for their 370Z software. Heck, there's a good chance that I'll end up going with them. But coming out and claiming that your stuff is better than the other guys before you've even finished with development just seems kinda cocky to me. To be honest, it's a bit of a turnoff. Also, I believe the forum rules state that one needs to be a forum sponsor if he wants to push his products on the forum.

+1

07-05-2009, 07:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 33	You can also get a dyno tune with UpRev. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

07-05-2009, 07:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 33	Here's what I'm trying to figure out. If you're going to get a dyno tune, is one really better than the other? I mean, if you're planning to use the canned maps, then I can see how one might be better. But if you're going to have a tuner custom tune your car on the dyno anyway, then what difference does it make? All the software is doing at that point is giving the tuner an interface to the ECU and allow him to modify the parameters. Do one of these software packages give tuners access to some parameters that the other doesn't? If so, then that would make one better than the other. But if both of them give the tuner access and control to the exact same parameters, then I wouldn't think it'd make a difference in terms of being able to get better gains out of one over the other. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

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Togo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: E. Northport, NY Posts: 7,597 Drives: Stuff Rep Power: 657	With the Cobb unit can you raise the rev limit similar to that of a ECU Flash by Technosquare?

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Togo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: E. Northport, NY Posts: 7,597 Drives: Stuff Rep Power: 657	I just want to make sure I'm following this all correctly so someone please correct me if I'm mistaken but: Cobb makes 2 units. One that lets you just upload pre-made "canned" maps. The second one lets you upload the canned maps, OR have someone with the soft ware dyno tune/professionally tune the ECU. The Cobb also allows you to change maps on the fly, 15 seconds I thought I read, including a Valet Map? UpRev is a unit that comes with software that you yourself can use to tune your ECU. Technosquare - just reflashes the ECU with their map.

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Togo A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: E. Northport, NY Posts: 7,597 Drives: Stuff Rep Power: 657	Thanks Semtex. I figured you could just have a pro do it instead of doing it yourself but yeah I don't know that I'd want to be screwing with tuning my own ECU. God forbid I leaned that **** all the way out. BOOM!