No need for that, he posted an email from August 13th...


As posted earlier in this thread the Beta version of this was released for public(I think?) consumption just a few days ago on October 3rd.


[QUOTE=O&G;1945463]The man over at uprev said they will have it sorted out jn the next few days. The software was released on the 3rd. They're releasing updates daily for the new software. Everything is still in the beta phase.[QUOTE]

as I would have heard something more in details since I am in their Pro Tuner email list. the only thing is I do not have an account with them thus I cant access to this Beta version.

in my opinion the VVEL tuning is gonna be purely controled by the Pro Tuner cable same as the knonk control that has been out for a while and other small feature.

wait and see ! ;)
either way im not going back to a VVEL engine !!:stirthepot:

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Edit: Was talking about this with the guy who owns D&V autobody in sterling and he said, "yeah even if it's true, give it 2 years before you even dream of ******* around with it"

All these non tuners chiming in with their know it all negative comments. Auto body guy, post full of hot air and the ol' I would have heard something.... Lol, Really. Its tuning software for uprevs pro tuners in the test(beta) phase. Its not government secrets banned from the public. I tried to start the thread with accurate information to give the community an idea where we are at with vvel tuning. Uprev is the only company moving forward with vvel tuning and exploration which i think is awesome. The issue rite now is downloading the beta software files not the vvel tuning tabels themselves. As with any type of "tune" if you don't know wtf your doing you will break things. Im sure there will be more news and info coming to us in the next few weeks. Forums are the LOL.

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Beta version is probably released for the Pro Tuners not everyone with Tuner version. Guys come one, VVEL tuning has been already done in Japan with their own software like Uprev, and some of the tuner shops there sell ROMs with most of the parameters like VVEL, CVTC tuned.

just for info for everybody else that do not know;
Only the true Pro Tuner have an account with Uprev to download their customer Roms/beta test software and other stuff only related to them.

I was only authorized since last year to be in their ProTuner emails and get the Pro Tuner cable activated.

With VVEL being controlled by a separate ECU than the primary, it is definitely understandable why it took so long to get it to this point. Somehow these two ECU's work in sync to keep the motor running. I think it's downright amazing things have progressed to a point where we are using separate ECU's to handle the valve-train. If we ever get to the point where exhaust valves are controlled by the same system, there wouldn't be a need for cam upgrades, just some experience with a programming tool to make adjustments and the variables would be near limitless. I guarantee something like this will be done and implemented in this decade. With the downsizing and turbocharging of motors, valvetrain is the main culprit for losing efficiency. How easy would it be for manufacturers to use the same head design and just retune the ECU for what they need.

I feel this is the tip of the iceberg and any forward progress now will only pave the way for the future. We don't need cams to adjust our peak power higher or lower in the powerband, we will soon have the ability to do that with a computer. This is why I think even with NA, there are gains to be had, not with a stock car, but one running headers, manifold, exhaust, and CAI, we can tune the VVEL to take advantage of the much better breathing of those components, similiar to how every car manufacturer now is using variable valve timing to create a super scavanging effect with their turbo motors from the factory.

All in all, when this is publicly available, I'm all in.

subscribed... maybe you'll see a boosted M37 finally :tiphat:

I think most of the benefit in this would be retarding the timing for FI application to minimize boost leaking out during overlap. SC's will be able to run proper exhausts finally!

Go flex your e-peinis on another thread. I never claimed to be a tuner, mechanic or Master Certified Honda body tech guy. I have however owned FI VQ's for over 8 years, so it's safe to say I know about the platform. My tuner works and tunes w/ Ron Burgenholtz the builder of Chelsea DeNofa's Nitto Mazda RX8 formula drift "race car" so I think it's safe to say he knows more than you.
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Back on subject..... hopefully we will get some more news this week about the new software. My tuner is leaving for Cali Wednesday for the race this week, but I'm going to contact him today and see if he can forward some of the email conversations he has had w/ Jared @ UpRev, a Texas company!

This is nice... I'm hoping for a proper dyno tune next year. I want to induce whiplash. :)

lets not trash this thread internet tough guys. go size up somewhere else.

back on topic, anyone have any idea of NA gains that could be seen with this. i mean 0hp? 20hp?

Orly?




Drain volts? Nope!


Somehow figured out that Nissan worked out machine learning from the above?




Grammar what?



V12s = grippy tires? :icon14:
I'd still love to see this fix.






I wouldn't.





I for one want to hear what o&g is on to, not hear you ramble about how you would hear it first.

Yea man let us know, what he says ,My retune APT is tomorrow, An I am going to shoot my tuner a text tomorrow when he says he has the car. :tiphat:

Loooollll

whelp looks like its official.

"There is a BETA version of the ROM editor in the pro download area that give access to the tables that we've found so far for VVEL control. One big piece that is still missing is the cam phasing. There are tables there for phasing, but they don't seem to work yet. Be VERY careful not to change the "Valve Clearance Limit" table as this is the table the keeps the pistons from hitting the valves. Here are the notes about what we know so far about these tables (this info can also be found in the text file inside the beta ZIP folder):

So far we know:
Valve clearence limit is the safety table that keeps the ECU from running too much lift and advance at the same time.

* Adjusting this table is DANGERUS. Too much lift and advance at the same time = piston crashing into the valves.

VVEL B seems to have the most effect on idle.

At WOT it seems take the max value from either B or C."

I believe UpRev is increasing prices for licenses's as well. Not 100% sure but I did hear that through the grapevine.

Thanks for disproving this the other day and now confirming it! Lol

Looks like the OP is due for some apology reps from the naysayers.

Atleast we've started to turn the corner in cam tuning. It does wonders for other cars w/ and w/o FI!

I rarely start any threads because I hate dealing w/ all the haters but in this case I knew a bunch of you guys would appreciate the news. The next step is for our tuners to start exploring the software "safely"! Should be xciting!

Subed!

I can definitely think of 1 person for sure lol

lol definitely....it's just like in the IT field, just because you've been in it for so many years doesnt mean you know everything and the field is always changing so anyone that comes on here saying they know more than anyone else just because they have been in the field longer i just take as pure arrogance and ignorance

yes he does lol :tup: it makes things entertaining

my bad didnt mean to get in the middle of that lol

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This thread is going to poop!
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You came off as a douche as well.

You can't be too surprised.

....and the thread dies....Thanks all.:tup:

anyone wanna get back on topic? just a thought lol

^^ this. Maybe a mod can clean it up [feel free to delete this post]

i second that...really excited to see what happens with the tuning on the 370 now that they are working their way towards completely unlocking VVEL. kinda reminds me of how the honda guys even NA can see real gains when unlocking VTEC.

Yea, weren't there some apologies owed to the OP???

yea i'm lookng forward to seeing N/A gains as well.

So what is this increase in price of the license I saw mentioned? Gonna be upset if it is a huge bump.

Maybe I should go ahead and get my own now before hand. Assuming they don't come back and charge for a "VVEL upgrade" or something. :shrug:

This is the internet. One is never wrong on the internet, simply...misunderstood.

:iagree: this plus exhaust cams from JUN i think would see the most NA gains aside from the usual breather mods like CBE and CAI.

yea i saw those cams the other day and the price isnt too outrageous being the only company whos making them so far

Simmer down buddy.

You asked why he was being a "douche"?

You asked an open ended question and you got an answer you didn't like.

BTW, who is arguing? You came in with your résumé that no one asked about or cared about.

Douchebag post gets douchebag response.

Simple as that.