Be Careful with UpRev in Mass
 

Just spoke to a dealer in our state and he told me the Mass inspection machine will Reject the car and make you go to the state Motorist assistance center where the state police will go over the car. It seems as they are able to detect the Rom ID had been modified. They will give you a certain number of days to get the car to comply.
People need to get some noise to Uprev about this.

Switch to the stock map before you go....

I mentioned that and the tuner said it seems they are able to detect the Rom had been modified.

I know from Subie's, you can tell if a ROM has been modified even when put back to stock. Not sure if Nissan is that way as well.

If they are doing this just make sure you have a Copy of the tuned Rom and back to stock rom then flash it before you go for inspection

Mass has been a real issue lately. This was all over the evo forums in the last year or so.

They are pretty much catching onto people adjusting the actual code in the ECU and removing emission standards meanwhile keeping the readiness tests active.

Also, most ECU's in newer cars keep a record of how many times its been flashed, regardless if the stock ROM was put back. Think of it as a flash counter.

So I guess Im gonna have to stay Un-Uprevd until they figure this out:thumbsdown:. Flashing back and fourth every May is not gonna work for me even if that worked.

So I called UPrev to see what they would tell me and the guy was a total TOOL. Im not gonna go into it but I really wish there was another company that offered this program, I would buy it from them in a second and Piss on UpRev

Ok first off you talked to someone at UPREV, Been calling them for like 8 days, No answer, I got my car stickered two weeks after my Stillen SC went in, No issues at all, Not sure who told you that, But I would say they are wrong. Got my sticker in Feb.

I would be surprised if Mass fails a car for multiple flash's alone, I would think it would be more so seeing readiness monitors in a (N/A) title instead of a ready title that would raise a flag. Dealers reflash cars all the time to upgrade ECU calibrations. When I worked at a dealer it wouldn't be uncommon to have over a dozen ECU revisions on one ECU part number, so if the inspection station was able to see an ECU was flashed a few times how do they know it just wasn't manufacturer updates that were also possibly done for better emissions....

As far as UPREV is concerned they offer a product to manipulate ECU code to make them tunable, I think that is their #1 priority as that is what sells it. If there is issues with specific states failing the vehicles that are UPREV'd I'm sure they will look into it when time allows.

I'm pretty sure their level of "toolness" was equally proportional to how you acted on the phone.

And as for another company coming along... Not gonna happen. Cobb tried that already, didn't work out so well for them

+1 what Vince said.

Vince is 100% right. Infiniti and Nissan have what like 5 TSB's for the TCM and ECU.

Hi Everyone. This is Alex from Dent Sport. We just got an angry call from Uprev who apparently is under the impression that we are trying to dissuade customers from using their product. The opposite is true. We want to sell tunes. We like tuning Nissans and we like Uprev's product. We were wondering why the cars were being flagged also so we did an experiment.

Uprev is apparently feeling very upset by this and likely threatened as they called us liars directly and threatened to de-list us from their site. This suggests to us that they are more interested in protecting their reputation than working with knowledgeable engineers and shops to figure out what's not working with their product. We also recognize now that there is something that MA can notice with an UPRev flashed Nissan that can cause it to be sent to MAC. This is not isolated to Nissans. Do a search for Evo tuning and MAC in MA. It's the same thing. It was un announced. It happens to Diesel trucks, SCT tuned cars and others.

We have flashed a car with a license only, no parts changes, no check engine lights and no tune and it failed inspection and got sent to MAC.

We have a duty to tell customers that they are about to head in a direction that may cause problems for them in the future. That's why we've been in business longer than UpRev. We're honest and we call it as we see it. We're also all residents of MA and we all know how the system works here. This is not a change in a law. It's a change in inspection protocol.

UPrev's suggestion to us was to flash the car back to stock for inspection. We would like to know how a turbo car is going to pass inspection with a stock tune. We'd like to know how it will even drive to an inspection that way. Uprev doesn't seem to understand that every readiness code must be set in MA for a car to pass. This means that the car will run a check on every code and obviously with no cat, or with big injectors or other parts the CEL will come on. The answer then would be to turn the car back to stock at a tremendous cost to the customer and then flash the car back to stock. (and who pays for this? the customer.) So they should know.. and now you do.

Uprev would be better off spending time figuring out it's product and how inspection works than calling dealers and telling us we're liars and that we don't understand how inspection works in our home state. Uprev went so far as to say that we are not their customer. They claim we are an intermediary between them and their end user. The phone call was outrageous.

All readyness codes must be set
All hardware that is listed by the manufacturer on the car must be listed as available.

This seems to be something that they don't understand.

Hey Alex,( Mike) Thanx for the write up. All I can say is when was this changed in protocal? When did you guys try it with you car? I know when I went to get my sticker in Fed, This year I had no issue at all, Stillen SC kit and Stillens UPREV tune. Or is this more for cars that have had sensors tunred off? Like running TP's. Also I'm sure this is something Stillen looked at for their50 State CARB license . I had heard of this before over on EVOM( still member) But it was all guys running big turbos and or no cats, EGR's and what not and had some of the readiness codes shut off to keep from thoughing CEL's. I just find it hard to believe that your car failed, ( STOCK) and I passed with a SC kit and Tune.
IF what you say is true and this changed after I got my sticker, Then all of us that went FI and F'd. I probaly can not even start my car on the stock tune with out blowing in up.:icon14:

Just to add I think this is the key to your post, "Uprev doesn't seem to understand that every readiness code must be set in MA for a car to pass:, But we would we have any readiness code shut off unless we where running something we where not supposed to, Like HFC or NO Cat, Venting to the atmosphere . maybe some one else can chime in?

Hi Mike,

We don't have all the answers, if any. We don't know when it changed exactly. We thought initially that the MAC reference was random but it doesn't seem to be. A customer got back to us and he is connected to the process. He suggested it was an issue with the ROM ID. I don't care to speculate.

We aren't in the business of trying to trick or fool the system to make a few bucks so my (our) investigation has been out of curiosity only. I'd rather stop tuning street cars than get hit with some retarded fine when a customer fails, wants to sue us and then the state comes after us also.

Our decision to tell customers is based on lots of thought and long discussions with our lawyer. Note that on Cobb's Accessport boxes that they read something to the effect of "may not be road legal in your state" We don't want to become a vessel for people who want to pass inspection and skirt the rules. We encourage people to become involved in state politics, vote, call your local rep. The inspection in this state is always changing and is usually a scam so stay educated. Remember the dynos? Remember how the supplying company of the dynos had two sets of software it was selling?

If the customer is educated and wants to deal with inspection or wants to take their car on the track only then we're happy to do it.

Not that we are from MA but I am interested in this as a Pro tuner for UPREV. Just to be clear you flashed a vehicle with an UPREV Stock ROM and then performed all the drive cycle's so the all the readiness monitors were completed and it still failed emissions?

Let me Guess. Rich Called..

Hey Vince, I'm sure Alex will answer but I would say no, In his post he says "All readiness codes need to be turned on". I sounds like they turned something off, Or did not drive it the proper mileage for the ECU to reset itself. I really think this is hard to beleive, that they are reading the ECU ROM ID? So the UPREV ROM ID is different then right, Or they just unlocked it to change things? Cause to your point before if the dealer flashes a car for the TCM and ECU updates, Then the ROM ID now different and that car would also fail. Now "IF" MA is just getting smarter and looking for Stock codes or switches that have been turned off that would be something different NO?.

Alex you post alsos sounds like you guys are not going to be flashing anymore cars?

How I acted on the phone?? wait, you were here and you know me??? NO You DONT.... so at this point I think you have exceed the level for toolness.
Sound like a Uprev:nutswinger:

LMAO! :bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl: You know it!

Did you try flashing it with the back to stock rom, driving it a while so the ecu could cycle through the readiness checks, then sending it in for inspection? As a “professional shop that apparently knows more than uprev”, this may be insulting but please bear with me.
You’re a F^^^ing idiot to use that as an excuse. The ecu’s that uprev supports only came out in 2003 how do you expect a company to exist before the product they modify was invented??!!!!! Anybody see a starbucks before coffee beans were discovered??? Yeah, didn’t think so.


Aftermarket turbo kits are illegal in many states and as a “professional tuning shop with many more years experience than uprev” you should know this very well. This has nothing to do with their product. California could be good example.

From what we’ve seen in this post you don’t have the qualifications to be a dealer

As a distributer/dealer you are. Deal with it.

The reply above ahs some of the funniest things I have ever saw. LOL Thanx man.The coffee
bean one was GREAT. But you make a lot of sense.

Funny or flat out Sad. I had hoped to get some insight here not a bunch of sniping bitches second guessing actual facts.

The actual fact is this whole thread should closed, Cause it's BS, I HAD my car tested with the UPREV flash and I passed, The facts have holes in them"All readiness codes need to be turned on". NO kidding really, Try unplugging you battery reset your ECU then go drive to an inspection station and see if you pass, Go have a bad O2 sensor changed , Light reset, Go to a station for inspection and see if you pass, NOPE, IT will fail for Readiness codes, Just cause someone flashed a ECU( RESET IT) the took it right away to get a sticker and failed means what,, THEY DID NOT drive it enough for the ECU to run through all its tests.. Something tells me someone doesnt want to use UPREV for another reason? HMMM wonder what it could be,, Maybe tuner?

WOW, the internet can really give people the opportunity to play A**hole from behind a key board and say all kinds of crap they would Never say to a persons face. You dont know me or anything about me. I WANT to get my car tuned but when the IN state dealer tells me Im going to have a problem when I go to get it inspected that really makes me want to jump that the chance to do it. There are NO options less then 90 miles from me so running back to them every 12 months for inspections is NOT and option. It was documented there was a problem with the Mitsu-EVO in this state so I would believe the dealer is NOT making this up. Save your hidden agenda theory crap already.

Man, why are you so angry? You're absolutely right, we don't know anything about you. And likewise you don't know anything about us or our qualifications to comment on this matter.

And as for not saying it to your face.. Grow up, nothing posted was a personal attack against you.. But when your posts come off as an immature kid that takes everything personally even when facts are being presented by very knowledgable people that refute your argument... Sorry can't help you

I will say that Alex and Dent Sport is "THE" race shop in MA and one of the top shops in all of NE. I hold what he says with the highest regard, so if he says there is a problem then there is obviously a problem. UpRev should be working with them as a team to solve the problem for the benefit of the "customers" rather than coming on here and bashing the dealers. Alex builds race cars and drives race cars, but street cars are also a huge part of their regular business hence why is throwing up the red flag. UpRev needs to check it's ego (and attitude) for a minute and figure this out.

sounds like we are going back to the good old days (Pnp) :tup:

Along with some of the Keyboard cowboys on this site:tiphat:

Mostly u,, LOL

My opinion about this whole this was from experience. I have UPREV, I got a sticker, I have been in the car business for a LONG time, 20+ years. Just something about the "Facts" don't add up read them yourself "Again" and if you cant see the holes, then you should be posting this, and carrying it ON, Here's a question have "YOU" Contacted UPREV and asked them? Have you contacted GTM and asked them, Hell Vince even posted in here" ONCE" ( Why you think only once), Have you tried reaching out to him,. Sounds like no.. I know neither one of them live in MA, But I'm sure they could shed some light on things for you,,, An just IMO you should be going through Kaizen anyway.


And to Seymore post, He's 100% nobody acted you or personal said anything and you challenging people so say things "Face to Face" REALLY?? See that's why he said you sound like a young "KID", Just because someone you think you can trust told you something and other people( Most of the people in this thread) Have a different opinion doesnt mean they are attacking you, :rolleyes:

I had no problem getting a sticker last year either but that doesn't mean anything since MA DOT is constantly updating their software.

Also no need to be a Kaizen fanboi just because that's where you happened to go. You have no personal experience with Dent Sport so why say that? You're acting rather immaturely for someone that has been "in the biz" for 20 years.

I got my sticker this year, 4 months ago. Still not to say nothing has changed but with this being the first anyone is hearing about his just makes it a little???

Don't assume I have "NO" Experiene with DSG, I knew those guys before they where even DSG, They Did ALOT of work for me with my EVO8, I even helped them with their S20 swap into their BMW( Used my EVO's stock Front mount) I was the FIRST perspn to run Bill's Custom Air intake for the EVO's.


Alex and Bill are both very good guys, I have had no issues with them at all. I wnet to Kaizen for other reasons, But IMO is just that IMO.. An Stating my oppion on something is acting immature.

I would like to add to this I have uprev, LTH and a sticker in MA.

Now it sounds like what is being stated is that if you run a custom (forced induction) set up and disable certain sensors to shut off reoccurring CELs then MA will fail you. I have no idea if that's true as I have no CELs or codes/systems disabled on in my car currently. I would guess that this makes sense, if MA now has a way to determine if certain systems were disabled to make it look like you have no CEL/systems not ready, they wouldn't pass you.

However, I don't think this situation applies to the majority of people who would be flashing uprev on a 370z as they would not need to disable any codes/systems to have the CEL off. And also if you ran a big custom set up why would you care? I see tons of cars with the R sticker at car shows, figured it was a badge of honor :stirthepot:

crystalline, You are 100% right on failing if you have certain sensors or codes shut off"Readiness codes" I can tell you on my tune I have no sesors or codes shut off, The only thing I had to do was rasie the limit of my MAP sensor for Boost. Most of the guys that have things shut off are running HFC's and TP's and have the 2nd O2 range shut off so not not to throw codes. Or some off the EVO guys years ago would run no EGR valves and have block off plates installed and that sensor shut down.

Could be. Problem is MA is starting to turn into a mini CA as far as emissions go. They have an enforcement division that is quite brutal and if you get caught violating federal or state emission laws (e.g. removing cats) then they can come down with some really heavy fines.

Fair enough. It's not the first that is being heard of it actually, just first time being report for Nissan, being happening with Evo's for a while. Evo's were getting flagged for having European ROM ID's, since they were flashing with downloaded and shared ROM's. Uprev should keep the same ROM ID so I don't think that's the problem here.

I've been ticketed for this on my other car, its only ~$150. Total of the ticket was over $750 but the exhaust portion was only ~$150(illegal tint was the most expensive item). Entire ticket was tossed in court. I know they have very heavy fines for shops that remove emissions equipment however. MA is starting to get closer and closer to CA :mad:

I just wasn't aware that anyone was shutting off codes on the 370z at all. Do you have to with cheap test pipes? I wouldn't know as I had art pipes with no CEL before the LTH.

I have heard of some guys on the 350's shutting the code for the O2 sensor off, Becasue the sensor was over heating( Not enought steel wool) LOL, The O2 was to much in the exhaust steam. I think ARK and companies a like have made some adjustments on the spacing.. I do have them now and will never so I'm really can not say for sure,