Be Careful with UpRev in Mass

Evil Sports

Just spoke to a dealer in our state and he told me the Mass inspection machine will Reject the car and make you go to the state Motorist assistance center where the state police will go over the car. It seems as they are able to detect the Rom ID had been modified. They will give you a certain number of days to get the car to comply.
People need to get some noise to Uprev about this.

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DCNISMO

Switch to the stock map before you go....

Evil Sports

I mentioned that and the tuner said it seems they are able to detect the Rom had been modified.

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FuszNissan

I know from Subie's, you can tell if a ROM has been modified even when put back to stock. Not sure if Nissan is that way as well.

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seymore4

If they are doing this just make sure you have a Copy of the tuned Rom and back to stock rom then flash it before you go for inspection

BigT

Mass has been a real issue lately. This was all over the evo forums in the last year or so.

They are pretty much catching onto people adjusting the actual code in the ECU and removing emission standards meanwhile keeping the readiness tests active.

Also, most ECU's in newer cars keep a record of how many times its been flashed, regardless if the stock ROM was put back. Think of it as a flash counter.

Evil Sports

So I guess Im gonna have to stay Un-Uprevd until they figure this out. Flashing back and fourth every May is not gonna work for me even if that worked.

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Evil Sports

So I called UPrev to see what they would tell me and the guy was a total TOOL. Im not gonna go into it but I really wish there was another company that offered this program, I would buy it from them in a second and Piss on UpRev

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ANMVQ

Ok first off you talked to someone at UPREV, Been calling them for like 8 days, No answer, I got my car stickered two weeks after my Stillen SC went in, No issues at all, Not sure who told you that, But I would say they are wrong. Got my sticker in Feb.

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Vince@R/T

I would be surprised if Mass fails a car for multiple flash's alone, I would think it would be more so seeing readiness monitors in a (N/A) title instead of a ready title that would raise a flag. Dealers reflash cars all the time to upgrade ECU calibrations. When I worked at a dealer it wouldn't be uncommon to have over a dozen ECU revisions on one ECU part number, so if the inspection station was able to see an ECU was flashed a few times how do they know it just wasn't manufacturer updates that were also possibly done for better emissions....

As far as UPREV is concerned they offer a product to manipulate ECU code to make them tunable, I think that is their #1 priority as that is what sells it. If there is issues with specific states failing the vehicles that are UPREV'd I'm sure they will look into it when time allows.

seymore4

I'm pretty sure their level of "toolness" was equally proportional to how you acted on the phone.

And as for another company coming along... Not gonna happen. Cobb tried that already, didn't work out so well for them

+1 what Vince said.

ANMVQ

Vince is 100% right. Infiniti and Nissan have what like 5 TSB's for the TCM and ECU.

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agrabau

Hi Everyone. This is Alex from Dent Sport. We just got an angry call from Uprev who apparently is under the impression that we are trying to dissuade customers from using their product. The opposite is true. We want to sell tunes. We like tuning Nissans and we like Uprev's product. We were wondering why the cars were being flagged also so we did an experiment.

Uprev is apparently feeling very upset by this and likely threatened as they called us liars directly and threatened to de-list us from their site. This suggests to us that they are more interested in protecting their reputation than working with knowledgeable engineers and shops to figure out what's not working with their product. We also recognize now that there is something that MA can notice with an UPRev flashed Nissan that can cause it to be sent to MAC. This is not isolated to Nissans. Do a search for Evo tuning and MAC in MA. It's the same thing. It was un announced. It happens to Diesel trucks, SCT tuned cars and others.

We have flashed a car with a license only, no parts changes, no check engine lights and no tune and it failed inspection and got sent to MAC.

We have a duty to tell customers that they are about to head in a direction that may cause problems for them in the future. That's why we've been in business longer than UpRev. We're honest and we call it as we see it. We're also all residents of MA and we all know how the system works here. This is not a change in a law. It's a change in inspection protocol.

UPrev's suggestion to us was to flash the car back to stock for inspection. We would like to know how a turbo car is going to pass inspection with a stock tune. We'd like to know how it will even drive to an inspection that way. Uprev doesn't seem to understand that every readiness code must be set in MA for a car to pass. This means that the car will run a check on every code and obviously with no cat, or with big injectors or other parts the CEL will come on. The answer then would be to turn the car back to stock at a tremendous cost to the customer and then flash the car back to stock. (and who pays for this? the customer.) So they should know.. and now you do.

Uprev would be better off spending time figuring out it's product and how inspection works than calling dealers and telling us we're liars and that we don't understand how inspection works in our home state. Uprev went so far as to say that we are not their customer. They claim we are an intermediary between them and their end user. The phone call was outrageous.

All readyness codes must be set
All hardware that is listed by the manufacturer on the car must be listed as available.

This seems to be something that they don't understand.

ANMVQ

Hey Alex,( Mike) Thanx for the write up. All I can say is when was this changed in protocal? When did you guys try it with you car? I know when I went to get my sticker in Fed, This year I had no issue at all, Stillen SC kit and Stillens UPREV tune. Or is this more for cars that have had sensors tunred off? Like running TP's. Also I'm sure this is something Stillen looked at for their50 State CARB license . I had heard of this before over on EVOM( still member) But it was all guys running big turbos and or no cats, EGR's and what not and had some of the readiness codes shut off to keep from thoughing CEL's. I just find it hard to believe that your car failed, ( STOCK) and I passed with a SC kit and Tune.
IF what you say is true and this changed after I got my sticker, Then all of us that went FI and F'd. I probaly can not even start my car on the stock tune with out blowing in up.

Just to add I think this is the key to your post, "Uprev doesn't seem to understand that every readiness code must be set in MA for a car to pass:, But we would we have any readiness code shut off unless we where running something we where not supposed to, Like HFC or NO Cat, Venting to the atmosphere . maybe some one else can chime in?

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agrabau

Hi Mike,

We don't have all the answers, if any. We don't know when it changed exactly. We thought initially that the MAC reference was random but it doesn't seem to be. A customer got back to us and he is connected to the process. He suggested it was an issue with the ROM ID. I don't care to speculate.

We aren't in the business of trying to trick or fool the system to make a few bucks so my (our) investigation has been out of curiosity only. I'd rather stop tuning street cars than get hit with some retarded fine when a customer fails, wants to sue us and then the state comes after us also.

Our decision to tell customers is based on lots of thought and long discussions with our lawyer. Note that on Cobb's Accessport boxes that they read something to the effect of "may not be road legal in your state" We don't want to become a vessel for people who want to pass inspection and skirt the rules. We encourage people to become involved in state politics, vote, call your local rep. The inspection in this state is always changing and is usually a scam so stay educated. Remember the dynos? Remember how the supplying company of the dynos had two sets of software it was selling?

If the customer is educated and wants to deal with inspection or wants to take their car on the track only then we're happy to do it.