Be Careful with UpRev in Mass

Cmike2780

just move out of MA or stay stock -__- it sucks, but that pretty much solves everything. tuners are always on the losing side and they'll only make it more difficult to customize in the future.

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ANMVQ

Stay stock or move out?? Too a point maybe, I still think we all are still missing something, I just flipped through the pages of varisous thread over on EVOM,(Thanx Vivid) ,But the fact still remains they are all referencing to have their cats removed , EGR's removed and or certain system settings shut off. I still think with any tune, NA or FI as long as your emmision settings where not touched to keep CEl's from coming on I think you'd be fine. Not just the flash, Heck Stillen is Based in CA and they have a Carb legal kit, GTM has their kit Carb legal . We all know they use UPREV for their kits, can tunes..

The best quotes I found on EVOM,

"If your tuner tried to disable rear O2 or emissions related CELs then you may have a problem there. If they did the emissions force-pass then you may have a problem in that state.

The Below I would be is the majority on here.
"If you have just been tuned and all emissions pieces are in place then no worry though."

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vividracing

If the ROM ID is changed, MA emissions will see it. If the UpRev tune uses the OEM ROM ID, then you should be ok. We don't tune UpRev here, so I haven't delved into it that deep.

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ANMVQ

We two maybe put two and two together , If the Stillen and GTM's UPREV reflash is Carb legal , It maybe safe to say, that UPREV uses the OEM ROM, And is I remember correctly , My first tune on my car( N/A) They had to call UPREV with my ROM ID becasue they had no tune for it yet? Others I know have ran into this issue,. So this would mean they use the OEM ROM ID?

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crystalline

I went and read all the EVO threads now as well. Change number one was MA getting smarter about systems showing ready or no cel when the ECU has been reflashed. Doesnt seem like an issue with most people with a Z as you can remove the cats and not have a CEL. I wouldnt be concerned with this as a visual inspection alone can fail you with removed emissions equipment.

Change number 2 is the concerning one, and it seems like MA tracks this ROM ID every year. So if you changed it, its going to flag and fail you even if the car says its ok. Unanswered questions, does Uprev change this ID? The guy who had an EVO switched from a euro ECU back to a US one which triggered the visit to MAC. I dont think Uprev would quite do the same thing. Also is this tracked in a statewide database or just at each service center? Anyone know if the inspection machine is hooked up to the internet?

ChrisSlicks

Uprev keeps your ROM ID. They download the stock data, make modifications and then re-upload. You can export and move ROM files around but that is not typically the way it is done. If UpRev doesn't recognize your ROM ID group then it doesn't let you work with it, that is a safety mechanism since there are subtle differences between auto's and manuals, touring and base, sport, non-sport, and all the permutations thereof etc. The ROM ID can change on the manufacturer's whim as well, or to indicate or to indicate a revised ECU between model years.

Yes, the inspection stations are online, typically via dial-up. The information collected by the scanner is sent to MA RMV, you don't get a sticker until the information is successfully transmitted and verified.

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crystalline

So if uprev doesn't change the ROM ID I don't see how this stock car with no mods and only an uprev reflash could have been sent right to the MAC?

ChrisSlicks

It would seem that the RMV computer has been updated to look at more than just the ROM ID and readiness test states. No idea what precisely, you would have to put a logging device inline between the car's OBDII and the RMV computer to see all the back and forth communication. UpRev does hide a license signature in there but I doubt they are looking for that (but who knows).

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SS_Firehawk

I don't see why people are flaming Evil over this. It's a forum, not a class on analytical research and composition. How hard is it to ask for clarification? He's (I'm assuming gender) been pretty active on updates regarding the tests done.

I could understand some sore a$$es regarding Uprev customer support and all the fans they have regarding their software, they are generally prompt and abrupt, not the friendliest, but I do get answers with quick replies. On the other hand, their tuning team is great all around.

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crystalline

The problem is that there are quite a few of us that have uprev and a current MA sticker. I could believe that MA has changed something in the last few months, but the evidence doesn't currently make any sense.

The current presentef evidence is, stupid people with evos have been having trouble since 2008, one guy with an EVO had trouble recently and claimed ma is checking for ROM switches since had a euro ecu and now a US one, and finally that there is an unknown car, with unknown mods which would not lead it to fail, which was been "flashed only" and unknown if readyness tests were showing ready, brought to an unknown inspection station and failed. Not very convincing to me.

ChrisSlicks

If it were just readiness then you would get a plain old rejection, it has happened to me and I can easily check emissions rediness with a OBDII hand scanner. The cars are being referred to MAC, not failed due to readiness. I'd volunteer my car since I'm due, but I would currently fail as I have a code from my fuel pump.

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Evil Sports

The doubters here are amazing
How about this, post your inspection Month here and we will wait for your results. Keep in mind I dont want you to fail, I want to be able to Uprev my car. I just dont want a hassle next May when I go for inspection.

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crystalline

It doesn't have uprev, but my girlfriends RSX-S with hondadata reflash is due for July. If it gets referred to MAC it might shed some light on whats going on. While we wait for that, you ever going to give us some info on this mystery car? Year, make, model etc? Or just call us doubters when we HAVE uprev and inspection stickers

nick3237

i just want to know if when the car failed if it had been driven enough for the ecu to reset after being reflashed...i've had a completely stock car with no tune fail because the battery was replaced and the cars ecu had not gone through all the readiness alarms...

Evil Sports

Bump for any answers

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