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Hello everyone here, I am new with the tune stuff, and I am looking to buy the Osiris, but not sure which one to buy! The standard one or the tuner one? Can anyone here explain what is the difference between them? And which one should I get. Thanks.

Standard gets you:
Up to 5 Maps on cruise control equipped vehicles Idle RPM Speed Limiter Electronic Throttle Control to achieve Wide Open Throttle at all speeds. Rev Limiter DTC disable AFR Targets Fuel Compensation Ignition Timing Advance Cam Phasing for equipped vehicles.

Tuner gets you:
5 Maps on cruise control equipped vehicles Idle RPM Speed Limiter Electronic Throttle Control to achieve Wide Open Throttle at all speeds. Rev Limiter DTC disable AFR Targets Fuel Compensation Ignition Timing Advance Cam Phasing for equipped vehicles. MAF transfer function Cranking Enrichment and Ignition Advance Injector Latency K Fuel Multiplier Intake Temp Calculated Load vs. RPM Minimum Effective Injector Pulse Width

Definitely Tuner if you got the extra cash. Much more option to crank up performance. Both will still require $250-$300 worth of dyno time. Good luck! :tup:

standard = the ability to datalog on your own computer, you can check CEL's and clear them you can not change the tune with this version you will have to take it to someone else who has the tuner license.

tuner = The ability to tune your own car with out paying someone else to do it.

i thought the standard came without a cable ... and tuner came with the cable. $500 for standard....$200 to upgrade it to tuner and get a cable. still not sure exactly what i paid for besides the tune LOL

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Both come with cable. I'm considering the tuner... I have standard now

hmmmm....so i should have gotten a cable ?

so i should have gotten a cable if i purchased the standard from a place ?

How are tuning these things? Anyone doing it themselves? I've got some experience with this stuff, but wondered what folks are seeing here.

Does it save the stock tune somewhere so if you muck it up you can flash back?

i saw your thread about tuning a few weeks ago, id say you know a bit about it. Give it a try and make a write up about it, i have read a few books about ECU Fuel injection tuning, but i dont want to fawk my own car up in the process. Yes you can always flash back to OEM tune.

yes the ciphier cable.

my bad i just looked at my bill and what I actually paid for was $300 for the Flash Service ... I thought I had the Osiris Basic (500) ... so should that have come with a cable or no ?

When you buy It from a shop and they tune your car you do not get the cipher cable, when you buy direct from uprev you get the cable and etunes but no actual dyno tune. The tuner version is the same cipher cable but it has different code that unlocks the features that let you modify your own tune. You also get a back to stock rom file with the tuner version that lets you flash the ecu back to stock and use the license on a different vehicle or sell it to someone else.

I'm selling a tuner cable with license in the marketplace for a
Good discount, feel free to pm/email me with any questions. Might be able to save you some money :)

If you buy direct from UpRev themselves, you get an actual license of your own and you always get a cable.

Standard lets you basically load/unload whole flashes made by others, run Cipher diagnostics, etc. You can't custom-tune anything yourself, not even per-map rev limits. The flashes would be made by UpRev themselves (via the eTune service based on your Cipher datalogs), or by a licensed UpRev tuner company on a dyno.

Tuner gives the ability to tweak almost* everything yourself. You can still use a professional tuner, but you can also tweak the tunes they give you and custom set your 5 maps, etc, instead of asking them to do it every time.

You don't have to buy a license/cable of your own at all though. You can just go to an UpRev-authorized tuner shop, and they'll dyno tune your car and load UpRev-based software with the maps you choose, and charge you some standard fees through their own shop. In this scenario, you go back to the tuner for any changes (they should provide you a binary copy as well, in case you want a different/future UpRev shop to work from their baseline).

* - re: "almost": the Tuner license can't disable NATS (the anti-theft system in the car), and is married to a single VIN. Whereas the Pro license that dyno-tuning shops have can program multiple customer car VINs and can disable NATS if requested.

I think the tuner cable is married to your VIN. UpRev might be able to fix that via a license-file update post-sale, but I'd double check.

With a tuner version available, and with what I'm hearing shops charge to tune, I don't know why anyone with some knowledge on how tuning works wouldn't get the tuner version.

I'm tempted myself, but I swore I'd leave this car alone for the most part and the last thing I need is the ability to tune it myself :eek:

Well, I went with the Tuner license, and I enjoy playing around with it and customizing things sometimes. But honestly, for most cases it's probably not worth the cash versus just going to a Tuner shop and having them set things up once the way you want it, and going back once in a blue moon for a quick checkup/re-tune.

Mostly I say this because as I've come to better understand how tuning works on this ECU, I've realized that for most bolt-on/NA applications the car is mostly self-tuning to begin with. A tune will optimize things a bit in terms of setting ideal AF targets (basic power/economy/emissions tradeoff decisions) and moving the initial conception of timing closer to where it will end up from self-tuning most of the time so that it gets on-target faster after resets or environmental changes.

But really, once the car is running it's maintaining those AF targets via its own wideband O2 feedback + MAF sensors, and it's dynamically adjusting timing based on temps and knock-sensor feedback. Things get a little more optimal from a tune, but it's not like the car will ever be hugely off-target or endangering itself no matter what you do with simple bolt-ons.

And if you step out into the world of forced induction type stuff where you really *need* a tune, you probably want your installer/tuner doing all of that setup anyways. No point adding in the personality liability of you tweaking their tune and causing failure.