Induction parts + ECU reflash dyno results

ZKindaGuy

When I say "investment" as it pertains to mods I am using the term very loosely as we all know that most cars deppreciate.

I was discussing with a bunch of hard core (about a dozen) Mustang folks at a show yesteday about this particular argument that was going on. Now some of these people I knew and some I never met before in my life. And they all agreed that $25 to $30 per HP gained is the acceptable measure to use when figurring out mod costs in order to tell if you are getting ripped-off or not by the vendors.

I am NOT trying to belabor this point but I was checking with them whether anything had changed since 1997 when I first started getting into modding my cars. And nothing has changed. The figures I quoted are still considered to be the same figures used for making a determination as to whether the potential gain in HP is worth the money you spend obtaining that HP.

So I am going to leave this figure up here for those folks who want to have a measuring stick to use in the future when trying to determine is a mod or mods are going to be worth doing dollar-wise. You can't go wrong with this measuring stick as it has lots of support from folks you spend their summers at the tracks testing their modifications.

To those folks who want to throw away there money then all I can say is...can you send me some of that cash you don't care blowing?

GMZ

Id be curious to see how you would achieve these NA gains at your price point? Id like an itemized list since you seem to be so well versed in these matters.

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KingDavid

What you don't seem to get is that numbers are just that, numbers. More power alone does not equal a better or a faster car. The guy just put on basic boltons and tuned it. I don't see the big deal. He's trying to make HIS daily driver a quicker car. I'm sure if he wanted a fast and cheaper route, he would. That's not the case.

You also seem to throw out the cost of the car itself. That's a big factor. Those 167mph 1/4 gallardos are expensive. Their turbo kits are over $30,000. Sure you can go faster for cheaper in an old stang but who cares? You just went 8 seconds in the 1/4 in a Lambo. Also, this is a brand new car with a brand new motor. Of course the prices will be sky high right now. Just wait until the car gets more popular and such. I don't agree with hp vs. cost at all. I rather have results. So many factors in between and around your cost vs. hp equation. Would you like to see a video of a 715whp Evo just DESTROY a 1000whp Corvette? Power band, suspension, gearing, tires, aerodynamics, weight, driving skill and a whole bunch of other ****. But cost vs. hp is most important, not results, lol.

Also, a LOT of you missed when he said he had an exhaust mod done on his baseline. The baseline would have been much lower if it were stock. Therefore the gains would have looked a lot higher as well.

ZKindaGuy

I completely understand that "more power alone does not equal a better or a faster car". I have been doing the mods stuff for 12 years so I am quite astute in regards to what mods can or cannot do for a car. I have been telling folks for years that mods are not the end all to beat all to being faster or whatever. So how about dropping that already as we have been on the same page since way before you ever brought that point up.

My post is about pricepoint. And yes I know it is an arbitrary number around which to plan mods but in the musclecar world it is a number that most HARDCORE mod-heads who spend their lives at the track beyond the weekend warrior stuff. The general rule is unless you have very deep pockets or sponsors the price-point per HP is between $25 and $30.

I am talking strictly from a price perspective as a guage for your wallet. And you cannot even begin to make an argument that spending $5000 to make 47 additional HP is cost-effective by any means...and I don't care what his exhaust baseline would have been as it more than likely wouldn't be enough on the plus side ( 20 HP addition perhaps) to even make that much difference in the cost per horse ($84 / HP).....use your COMMON SENSE man and JUST LOOK at the amount of the damn money that was spent to make 47 HP.

47 HP @ $5000.00 ???????

KingDavid

So I just saw that he spent 5gs in the OP, lol. What cost phimosis 5 grand?

WTF?!

Take a look here.
That was from the "my 350z" forum.

I'm going to search for the prices of the parts myself because I do not see how the combination of all of that is anywhere near 5 grand...And that's without headers.