Induction parts + ECU reflash dyno results

DannyGT · 08-03-2009, 03:30 PM

I believe 5k included labor to do all the installs? Headers are NOT easy on this car.

Phimosis · 08-04-2009, 07:06 AM

intake: $549
Headers: $786
HFC's: $573
exhaust: $1575
8.75% Sales Tax: $305
Install: $800
ECU re-map: $500
Dyno time: $200

Total: $5288.

But, I got some of the parts on sale at Stillen, so it was a little cheaper.

BTW, you guys can set here and rant all you want about how much power I should get and how much it costs, etc., but as I've said in a post earlier in this thread: This is not a mustang. I've owned 3 of them. This car does not make 60 hp per liter. Squeezing performance gains out of a high strung engine will not be as cheap. Hell, for $5000 you can go buy a 10 year old mustang and mod it so it will be faster than my Z. Do I care? Nope. Not one bit.

The purpose of my initial post was not to brag about how much money I have to spend or to belittle Stillen because my car didn't get the same gains on the dyno as what they advertise. It was simply a real world exercise to show people what it will cost and what they should expect if they do this to their car.

I hate to say it, but I'm going to unsubscribe from my own thread because of all the immature bickering going on in here. I used to have arguments like this with my brother back when I was in highschool. But that was 20 years ago. Enough.

ZKindaGuy · 08-05-2009, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phimosis

intake: $549
Headers: $786
HFC's: $573
exhaust: $1575
8.75% Sales Tax: $305
Install: $800
ECU re-map: $500
Dyno time: $200

Total: $5288.

But, I got some of the parts on sale at Stillen, so it was a little cheaper.

BTW, you guys can set here and rant all you want about how much power I should get and how much it costs, etc., but as I've said in a post earlier in this thread: This is not a mustang. I've owned 3 of them. This car does not make 60 hp per liter. Squeezing performance gains out of a high strung engine will not be as cheap. Hell, for $5000 you can go buy a 10 year old mustang and mod it so it will be faster than my Z. Do I care? Nope. Not one bit.

The purpose of my initial post was not to brag about how much money I have to spend or to belittle Stillen because my car didn't get the same gains on the dyno as what they advertise. It was simply a real world exercise to show people what it will cost and what they should expect if they do this to their car.

I hate to say it, but I'm going to unsubscribe from my own thread because of all the immature bickering going on in here. I used to have arguments like this with my brother back when I was in highschool. But that was 20 years ago. Enough.

There is no "immature" bickering going on. We are accepting the fact that others don't agree necessarily and that is why we are doing what is known in Speech 101 as a rebuff argument.

Communiation doesn't require having to agree with the point another person has presented and there certainly is no requirement that you have to join hands and sing KUMBAYA around the campfire.

I learned this from wstar earlier in this thread so why don't you give it a shot and just learn to tolerate disagreements. No one here has leveled any personal threats againt me in their posting so why are you doing a "spray and pray" with your remark about "immature bickering"?

blackbird · 08-11-2009, 05:45 PM

BTW, if go to Stillen and buy a bunch, ask for a Package price.

I took my car to a tuner, going to get Stillen Headers, HFC, Gen 3 intake, grounding kit and Under pulley. I already had the Stillen exhaust on but nothing else for go. Did change suspension and brakes but they don't affect HP. After I left the car, the dyno guy did a baseline run. They have some "pack" that they use. The results were 270 ft-lbs, 334 WHP. I'm going to try and attach the output but I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

Anyway, I though the numbers were a bit high.

wstar · 08-11-2009, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackbird

BTW, if go to Stillen and buy a bunch, ask for a Package price.

I took my car to a tuner, going to get Stillen Headers, HFC, Gen 3 intake, grounding kit and Under pulley. I already had the Stillen exhaust on but nothing else for go. Did change suspension and brakes but they don't affect HP. After I left the car, the dyno guy did a baseline run. They have some "pack" that they use. The results were 270 ft-lbs, 334 WHP. I'm going to try and attach the output but I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

Anyway, I though the numbers were a bit high.

Yes, those numbers are way high for a stock car with just the Stillen exhaust. I don't think anyone's posted results from a Hollyroller dyno here before. It could be that they read very high (even higher than DynoJet by a lot, it seems). For reference, Semtex's car ran 330rwhp on DynoJet and and 317 on Dyno Dynamics with a very complete set of bolt-ons (but no ECU tuning yet). Mine hit 300 on a DD with basically the same setup, but mine's 7AT.

KillerBee370 · 08-11-2009, 06:05 PM

You guys need sponsors... teehee

Stillen HFC
Stllen CBE
Stillen GenIII intake
JWT Clutch
JWT Flywheel
B&M Short Shifter
SS brake lines
ECU reflash + dyno tuned to death
Oil cooler
Tanabe GF210 springs
Axis wheels
Cover of a magazine (ok... that one doesn't belong but

)

Total cost out of my pocket: around $2,600.

And there's more to come...

blackbird · 08-11-2009, 09:01 PM

OK, we'll what I get after the upgrades and tuning and then go elsewhere and see what I get or just punch it and see if I like it. I'm not really into numbers I just want this car to faster than my old 300ZX TT (with 25K worth of upgrades). Just want to show some M3s and M* and other Euro "stuff" my rear spoiler. For government officials, I officially never go over 55MPH.

t-ray · 08-12-2009, 11:00 AM

FYI - that's a dynapack dyno. It's a hydraulic chassis dyno that bolts up to drive hubs(wheels are removed). Dynapacks regularly read higher than dynojets - afterall, they are reporting hub hp and not wheel hp.

blackbird · 08-12-2009, 08:23 PM

OK, now I'm confused. So it's not Flywheel HP and not wheel HP. Is there a formula to convert to WHP? How does it compare to Flywheel HP?

I'm getting Stillen G3 intake, headers, HFC, under pulley, grounding kit and Cobb tuning. Is there anything else before Turbos or Supercharger?

wstar · 08-12-2009, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackbird

OK, now I'm confused. So it's not Flywheel HP and not wheel HP. Is there a formula to convert to WHP? How does it compare to Flywheel HP?

It doesn't really matter honestly. Even all the dynos that all read WHP read it differently, because they use different methods of measurement and aren't well-standardized and calibrated. So we have typical DynoJet results, which differ from typical DynoDynamics results, which differ from typical Mustang Dyno results, etc. This one is just way different (and much higher) than the rest. The numbers aren't that useful when comparing between different dynos anyways.

blackbird · 08-12-2009, 08:25 PM

Also T-ray, thanks for the response. For a moment I thought I had the secret Special edition engine.

blackbird · 08-15-2009, 08:48 PM

OK, thanks for the info guys. Got the car back today. Stillen Headers, HFC, CBE, CAI, Under pulley, Grounding Kit. Fang intake (Not sure who invented it but Kudos). Cobb tuner BUT NO SOFTWARE yet. Even though not tuned, engine looked good on Dyno. Met the software engineer for the tuneup. I'm an SE and I don't do this stuff. very cool. Tuesday Tune up day.

blackbird · 08-20-2009, 09:17 PM

One item on HP/$. I had a 300ZX TT. Adding initial "100" HP was not bad: exhaust, ECU and something else I can't remember. About 2K. Next "100" was quite expensive. Invovled new turbos, intercooler etc etc. If you take an engine that is not that sophisticated, getting first sets of HP not bad. In the old days, slapping on Weber carburetors (yes I am that old), got big gains. The 370 is finely tuned and therefore not ready to throw out big gains as NA. SC or Turbo may get bigger gains but I personally am a little leery of punching an 11:1 compression ration engine. Need reliability. Daily Driver.

Denny McLain · 08-21-2009, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackbird

One item on HP/$. I had a 300ZX TT. Adding initial "100" HP was not bad: exhaust, ECU and something else I can't remember. About 2K. Next "100" was quite expensive. Invovled new turbos, intercooler etc etc. If you take an engine that is not that sophisticated, getting first sets of HP not bad. In the old days, slapping on Weber carburetors (yes I am that old), got big gains. The 370 is finely tuned and therefore not ready to throw out big gains as NA. SC or Turbo may get bigger gains but I personally am a little leery of punching an 11:1 compression ration engine. Need reliability. Daily Driver.

Blackbird

Like you through the years I've pissed enough money away on hotrodding that you could buy a garage full of new Z's and still have a bunch of mod money left over. Big blocks, small blocks, turbo's, twin turbo's, big nitrous systems, stroker motors, etc.

Money is a realitive thing and if your counting dollars per hp, it's probably not a hobby you should have. Just met someone while at the dream cruise in MI that did a twin turbo Z06. On 5 psi boost it made 651 rwhp. Completely redone from the O ringed forged bottem end to ported heads. Cost him in total $85K and the car was gone for a full year.

Trying to detox from big hp cars and N/A these cars really are a lot of fun. However, the hp bug is hard to shake and I just don't see much more in N/A gains. Eyeing forced induction and also leery of the 11 to 1 compression. The first trick is thicker head gaskets to lower the compression. After that it's a built forged bottom end.

What's the phrase......How fast do you want to go? Answer: How much money do you have.

chris410 · 08-21-2009, 08:36 AM

Nice gains, very consistent as well. Although the car lacks a particular transition to power, the linear power/torque actually provide more usable power which is more impressive than a spike at any one rpm point. That is why the car does so well on the track, this isn't a car you want to buy as a drag car well, unless you are going TT.

As far as dynos are concerned, the key isn't so much the actual number but the numbers derived from the same dyno. In other words, don't focus on what power the car made, focus on the difference in power on the same dyno in similar conditions as you mod the car. If you are going to compare numbers, make sure and compare numbers on the same dyno. If person A dynos a certain number stock on dyno A and person B dynos a number on dyno B, it's not accurate to compare the two, as many have said, each dyno will read differently. As temps, humdity, etc change...so does the power. People keep forgetting that your timing will change depending on the environmental conditions. Elevation and other factors come into play as well.

08-03-2009, 03:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
DannyGT Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Jersey Posts: 919 Drives: 370Z (SOLD) Rep Power: 280	I believe 5k included labor to do all the installs? Headers are NOT easy on this car. __________________ Performance GTM Stage 1 SC, GTM Res.Test Pipes, Invidia Gemini Exhaust, GTM HD Oil Cooler Wheels & Suspension AME Tracer TM02's 19x9.5F 19x10.5R w/ 265x35F & 305x30R, Hotchkis Sways, BC (BR) Racing Coilovers (Car Sold)

08-21-2009, 08:36 AM	#15 (permalink)
chris410 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 345 Drives: 10' GT500 Rep Power: 16	Nice gains, very consistent as well. Although the car lacks a particular transition to power, the linear power/torque actually provide more usable power which is more impressive than a spike at any one rpm point. That is why the car does so well on the track, this isn't a car you want to buy as a drag car well, unless you are going TT. As far as dynos are concerned, the key isn't so much the actual number but the numbers derived from the same dyno. In other words, don't focus on what power the car made, focus on the difference in power on the same dyno in similar conditions as you mod the car. If you are going to compare numbers, make sure and compare numbers on the same dyno. If person A dynos a certain number stock on dyno A and person B dynos a number on dyno B, it's not accurate to compare the two, as many have said, each dyno will read differently. As temps, humdity, etc change...so does the power. People keep forgetting that your timing will change depending on the environmental conditions. Elevation and other factors come into play as well. __________________ Chris Current: 2014 WRX Stage I + SPT / 2013 Hayabusa 202HP Former:09 370Z 7-AT PW/Ark Type 2 exhaust/Evo R lip/TSW Nurburgring carbon

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08-04-2009, 07:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
Phimosis Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Oildale, CA Posts: 412 Drives: 2013 911 4S Rep Power: 416	intake: $549 Headers: $786 HFC's: $573 exhaust: $1575 8.75% Sales Tax: $305 Install: $800 ECU re-map: $500 Dyno time: $200 Total: $5288. But, I got some of the parts on sale at Stillen, so it was a little cheaper. BTW, you guys can set here and rant all you want about how much power I should get and how much it costs, etc., but as I've said in a post earlier in this thread: This is not a mustang. I've owned 3 of them. This car does not make 60 hp per liter. Squeezing performance gains out of a high strung engine will not be as cheap. Hell, for $5000 you can go buy a 10 year old mustang and mod it so it will be faster than my Z. Do I care? Nope. Not one bit. The purpose of my initial post was not to brag about how much money I have to spend or to belittle Stillen because my car didn't get the same gains on the dyno as what they advertise. It was simply a real world exercise to show people what it will cost and what they should expect if they do this to their car. I hate to say it, but I'm going to unsubscribe from my own thread because of all the immature bickering going on in here. I used to have arguments like this with my brother back when I was in highschool. But that was 20 years ago. Enough.

08-11-2009, 06:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
KillerBee370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: So Cal baby! Age: 52 Posts: 5,964 Drives: with passion Rep Power: 322	You guys need sponsors... teehee Stillen HFC Stllen CBE Stillen GenIII intake JWT Clutch JWT Flywheel B&M Short Shifter SS brake lines ECU reflash + dyno tuned to death Oil cooler Tanabe GF210 springs Axis wheels Cover of a magazine (ok... that one doesn't belong but ) Total cost out of my pocket: around $2,600. And there's more to come...

08-11-2009, 09:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
blackbird Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Nashua NH Posts: 179 Drives: 09 370Z BLk GTM TT Rep Power: 16	OK, we'll what I get after the upgrades and tuning and then go elsewhere and see what I get or just punch it and see if I like it. I'm not really into numbers I just want this car to faster than my old 300ZX TT (with 25K worth of upgrades). Just want to show some M3s and M* and other Euro "stuff" my rear spoiler. For government officials, I officially never go over 55MPH.

08-12-2009, 11:00 AM	#8 (permalink)
t-ray Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: bham al Posts: 91 Drives: 05 g sedan 6mt Rep Power: 16	FYI - that's a dynapack dyno. It's a hydraulic chassis dyno that bolts up to drive hubs(wheels are removed). Dynapacks regularly read higher than dynojets - afterall, they are reporting hub hp and not wheel hp.

08-12-2009, 08:23 PM	#9 (permalink)
blackbird Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Nashua NH Posts: 179 Drives: 09 370Z BLk GTM TT Rep Power: 16	OK, now I'm confused. So it's not Flywheel HP and not wheel HP. Is there a formula to convert to WHP? How does it compare to Flywheel HP? I'm getting Stillen G3 intake, headers, HFC, under pulley, grounding kit and Cobb tuning. Is there anything else before Turbos or Supercharger?

08-12-2009, 08:25 PM	#11 (permalink)
blackbird Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Nashua NH Posts: 179 Drives: 09 370Z BLk GTM TT Rep Power: 16	Also T-ray, thanks for the response. For a moment I thought I had the secret Special edition engine.

08-15-2009, 08:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
blackbird Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Nashua NH Posts: 179 Drives: 09 370Z BLk GTM TT Rep Power: 16	OK, thanks for the info guys. Got the car back today. Stillen Headers, HFC, CBE, CAI, Under pulley, Grounding Kit. Fang intake (Not sure who invented it but Kudos). Cobb tuner BUT NO SOFTWARE yet. Even though not tuned, engine looked good on Dyno. Met the software engineer for the tuneup. I'm an SE and I don't do this stuff. very cool. Tuesday Tune up day.

08-20-2009, 09:17 PM	#13 (permalink)
blackbird Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Nashua NH Posts: 179 Drives: 09 370Z BLk GTM TT Rep Power: 16	One item on HP/$. I had a 300ZX TT. Adding initial "100" HP was not bad: exhaust, ECU and something else I can't remember. About 2K. Next "100" was quite expensive. Invovled new turbos, intercooler etc etc. If you take an engine that is not that sophisticated, getting first sets of HP not bad. In the old days, slapping on Weber carburetors (yes I am that old), got big gains. The 370 is finely tuned and therefore not ready to throw out big gains as NA. SC or Turbo may get bigger gains but I personally am a little leery of punching an 11:1 compression ration engine. Need reliability. Daily Driver.