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Wow you're right I made a back up of the original rim editor and supporting files and updated it. I wonder why they went back to the 6800 line

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Old 08-31-2013, 02:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Wow you're right I made a back up of the original rim editor and supporting files and updated it. I wonder why they went back to the 6800 line
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For those of you who are doing or trying a throttle map let it be known that after I updated my ROM editor Uprev added 1 more row meaning that my old throttle map only went to 6800 rpm after the update it now goes to 7200 rpm leaving a row on the map (7200)that is not adjusted right so at high RPM it kind of falls on it's face and on high RPM decel it is rough.

Just thought I'd tell you my findings.
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Wow you're right I made a back up of the original rim editor and supporting files and updated it. I wonder why they went back to the 6800 line
See my quote above for the answer.
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Old 09-27-2013, 06:40 PM   #3 (permalink)
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HI guys! I am new here. I do not have a 370z, but I have a crossover 2008 Infiniti EX35, which is now called Infiniti QX50. I believe I am the only guy with UpRev tuned EX35 and Seymore4 did my E-tuning a few weeks ago. It is NA Engine -VQ35HR AWD 5SPEED A/T dual intake.

I have a Uprev tuner's version and I could play around with the tune 24/7 =)
Basically, I only requested 3 MAPS,
1)TUNED WOT-Rich 12.9:1 for Winter
2)Valet
3)Tuned-WOT-Lean (fuel economy) 13.25:1

So I got bored and read this forum. I decided to copy all parameters from my MAP1 except the Electronic Throttle one. I copy what WSTAR made on his throttle parameters and I noticed a much better improvement from 2.5K up RPM. I could definitely see an improvement in smoothness and throttle response specially on the highway.


NEW MAP#5 DONE!



Thumbs up to WSTAR ! I enjoy using my new MAP4 with Wstar throttle settings when I drive on the highway. Is this WSTAR final ELEC. Throttle Settings?

BTW, even though ECU ROM on CIPHER shows 6400 RPM MAX vs 6800 and 7200, the settings still works for my car~

UNKNOWNDESI, What about your parameters? Is yours final too? I will give that throttle parameters a try too and I will report back.
That will go to my MAP#5.

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Your not suppose to change 6800-7200 rpm,you just leave the stock values if not the ECU will throw it into limp mode at high RPM.
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Your not suppose to change 6800-7200 rpm,you just leave the stock values if not the ECU will throw it into limp mode at high RPM.

Thanks again for posting your throttle settings here. I will give your setup a try later today. If you can see above, my Cipher RPM for Elec. Throttle is only up to
6400 RPM. The rest are up to 7200 RPM (fuel map etc)
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Not that it matters now since the 7200 line is gone in the new version, but I should note that yes mine threw a P0605 eventually. I just hadn't actually hit the rev limiter with that map in place. Once I did, boy that was unpleasant Car limps until you reset the code, something about a ROM Error.
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Ok I just tried both settings from baer383 and wstar and I could hardly tell the difference. I just noticed I have slight rough downshift while cruising with baer383 settings. It id only once in a while, not all the time.
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The differences are subtle. Also, as noted earlier in this thread: I think the general improvements are good with these maps (in that they allow WOT at low RPM with a bit less lag, and they do it with a smooth function instead of a herky-jerky step function), but I think the curves are backwards from where they should be for drivability. I just haven't had the time or inclination to go and come up with another version of this.

By the way, have you compared your stock map with the copy of my stock map I posted? I don't know how close they are to begin with.
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The differences are subtle. Also, as noted earlier in this thread: I think the general improvements are good with these maps (in that they allow WOT at low RPM with a bit less lag, and they do it with a smooth function instead of a herky-jerky step function), but I think the curves are backwards from where they should be for drivability. I just haven't had the time or inclination to go and come up with another version of this.

By the way, have you compared your stock map with the copy of my stock map I posted? I don't know how close they are to begin with.
I will post my stock throttle map vs your stock throttle map later.

So far, I am using your throttle settings. Syemore4 (UpRev pro and E-tuner) setup my tuned throttle Map. His setting is a lot smoother, but yours has early pedal pull. Less than 1/4 pedal push at 2.3K RPM in D mode (I drive 99% manual mode) the response is there. Seymore throttle response starts at 2.7-2.8 K RPM. Once I pass 1/4 pedal travel, responsiveness starts.


So I find yours as my DD settings. It is really good!

I just posted my stock throttle vs wstar stock throttle settings. Still pending approval. What the !$@ kvk!

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I don't think I posted this here before, only off in another thread, but this is what I mean. This is a scan from the excellent book "Think Fast" that covers a lot of race car setup stuff. They're making the case that it's better for the curve to go in the opposite direction of the one in my throttle table. Either way you want the start and end points the same, so the curvature of the graph is all about trading off fine control in one area for lack of fine control (rapid response to input) in another, and the argument is basically that you want more fine control in the low end of the pedal since that's where you're feathering around with traction in mid-corner:

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I don't think I posted this here before, only off in another thread, but this is what I mean. This is a scan from the excellent book "Think Fast" that covers a lot of race car setup stuff. They're making the case that it's better for the curve to go in the opposite direction of the one in my throttle table. Either way you want the start and end points the same, so the curvature of the graph is all about trading off fine control in one area for lack of fine control (rapid response to input) in another, and the argument is basically that you want more fine control in the low end of the pedal since that's where you're feathering around with traction in mid-corner:

Well, with that in mind, are you interested in developing a table with that curve?

I could help with testing.
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Well, with that in mind, are you interested in developing a table with that curve?

I could help with testing.
I will someday. Setting up the software to do it as a one-off and doing all the street testing of the map is a time consuming PITA, and I've just got bigger things to worry about right now than fine-tuning the throttle (like, wiring up my new dash/steering controls and getting the cage-related stuff done). Maybe in November when all that settles down.
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If you're concerned about compatibility between my stock ECU setup in general and yours, this is what my stock throttle map looks like for comparison:

wstar :

Here is my stock 2008 EX35 AWD VQ35HR 5 SPEED A/T

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