Smooth Throttle for UpRev

Baer383 · 08-18-2013, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motinatan

Do I need to do both steps or its enough to do one of them ?
And will it not harm the current ECU program ?

The ECU reset is basicly just disconnecting the battery for like 5-10 min

so disconnect the battery as above then do the 2nd one.

All programs are not disturbed.

unknowndesi · 08-30-2013, 05:19 PM

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8000 81A9 82B2 8433 8579 8696 8860 89D3 8B2F 8C7B 8D7E 8DD8 8E2C 8E76 8EB6 8ED8
7FBC 8187 8293 841A 8566 8688 885A 89D3 8B33 8C80 8D82 8DDC 8E2F 8E78 8EB8 8ED8
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7EFC 80B7 81D7 8383 84F2 8632 8836 89D3 8B48 8C9D 8D9B 8DF1 8E41 8E85 8EBE 8ED8
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7D6C 7EB7 801E 8227 83E3 8564 87CE 89D3 8B8A 8CE3 8DD2 8E26 8E6C 8EA6 8ED0 8ED8

I put that together for the and edited the 7200 portion. I do not get any limp mode like issues.

Baer383 · 08-30-2013, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unknowndesi

I put that together for the and edited the 7200 portion.

You can no longer edit the 7200 rpm line.

wstar · 08-30-2013, 07:10 PM

Heh. I guess they should make up their minds! FWIW, the only time I saw the 7200 line in mine (when I was reflashing in July I think?), I just copied my 6800 line to the 7200 line and that seemed to work sanely (on that Curve2300 map I'm still running). I wonder if I should reflash the stock 7200-line data before I do a software update, in case by "removing" the 7200 line from the tool, they're leaving my old custom settings stuck in place?

Baer383 · 08-30-2013, 07:22 PM

Hans told me to put the 7200 rpm line back to stock value,and I haven't had the same issue show up.

unknowndesi · 08-31-2013, 03:18 PM

Wow you're right I made a back up of the original rim editor and supporting files and updated it. I wonder why they went back to the 6800 line

Baer383 · 08-31-2013, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baer383

For those of you who are doing or trying a throttle map let it be known that after I updated my ROM editor Uprev added 1 more row meaning that my old throttle map only went to 6800 rpm after the update it now goes to 7200 rpm leaving a row on the map (7200)that is not adjusted right so at high RPM it kind of falls on it's face and on high RPM decel it is rough.

Just thought I'd tell you my findings.

Quote:

Originally Posted by unknowndesi

Wow you're right I made a back up of the original rim editor and supporting files and updated it. I wonder why they went back to the 6800 line

See my quote above for the answer.

Awgd8 · 09-27-2013, 07:40 PM

HI guys! I am new here. I do not have a 370z, but I have a crossover 2008 Infiniti EX35, which is now called Infiniti QX50. I believe I am the only guy with UpRev tuned EX35 and Seymore4 did my E-tuning a few weeks ago. It is NA Engine -VQ35HR AWD 5SPEED A/T dual intake.

I have a Uprev tuner's version and I could play around with the tune 24/7 =)
Basically, I only requested 3 MAPS,
1)TUNED WOT-Rich 12.9:1 for Winter
2)Valet
3)Tuned-WOT-Lean (fuel economy) 13.25:1

So I got bored and read this forum. I decided to copy all parameters from my MAP1 except the Electronic Throttle one. I copy what WSTAR made on his throttle parameters and I noticed a much better improvement from 2.5K up RPM. I could definitely see an improvement in smoothness and throttle response specially on the highway.

NEW MAP#5 DONE!

Thumbs up to WSTAR ! I enjoy using my new MAP4 with Wstar throttle settings when I drive on the highway. Is this WSTAR final ELEC. Throttle Settings?

BTW, even though ECU ROM on CIPHER shows 6400 RPM MAX vs 6800 and 7200, the settings still works for my car~

UNKNOWNDESI, What about your parameters? Is yours final too? I will give that throttle parameters a try too and I will report back.
That will go to my MAP#5.

Baer383 · 09-27-2013, 10:32 PM

Your not suppose to change 6800-7200 rpm,you just leave the stock values if not the ECU will throw it into limp mode at high RPM.

Awgd8 · 09-28-2013, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baer383

Your not suppose to change 6800-7200 rpm,you just leave the stock values if not the ECU will throw it into limp mode at high RPM.

Thanks again for posting your throttle settings here. I will give your setup a try later today. If you can see above, my Cipher RPM for Elec. Throttle is only up to
6400 RPM. The rest are up to 7200 RPM (fuel map etc)

wstar · 09-28-2013, 09:51 AM

Not that it matters now since the 7200 line is gone in the new version, but I should note that yes mine threw a P0605 eventually. I just hadn't actually hit the rev limiter with that map in place. Once I did, boy that was unpleasant

Car limps until you reset the code, something about a ROM Error.

Awgd8 · 09-28-2013, 04:15 PM

Ok I just tried both settings from baer383 and wstar and I could hardly tell the difference. I just noticed I have slight rough downshift while cruising with baer383 settings. It id only once in a while, not all the time.

wstar · 09-29-2013, 07:45 AM

The differences are subtle. Also, as noted earlier in this thread: I think the general improvements are good with these maps (in that they allow WOT at low RPM with a bit less lag, and they do it with a smooth function instead of a herky-jerky step function), but I think the curves are backwards from where they should be for drivability. I just haven't had the time or inclination to go and come up with another version of this.

By the way, have you compared your stock map with the copy of my stock map I posted? I don't know how close they are to begin with.

wstar · 09-29-2013, 07:51 AM

I don't think I posted this here before, only off in another thread, but this is what I mean. This is a scan from the excellent book "Think Fast" that covers a lot of race car setup stuff. They're making the case that it's better for the curve to go in the opposite direction of the one in my throttle table. Either way you want the start and end points the same, so the curvature of the graph is all about trading off fine control in one area for lack of fine control (rapid response to input) in another, and the argument is basically that you want more fine control in the low end of the pedal since that's where you're feathering around with traction in mid-corner:

Sh0velMan · 09-29-2013, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wstar

I don't think I posted this here before, only off in another thread, but this is what I mean. This is a scan from the excellent book "Think Fast" that covers a lot of race car setup stuff. They're making the case that it's better for the curve to go in the opposite direction of the one in my throttle table. Either way you want the start and end points the same, so the curvature of the graph is all about trading off fine control in one area for lack of fine control (rapid response to input) in another, and the argument is basically that you want more fine control in the low end of the pedal since that's where you're feathering around with traction in mid-corner:

Well, with that in mind, are you interested in developing a table with that curve?

I could help with testing.

08-30-2013, 07:10 PM	#214 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	Heh. I guess they should make up their minds! FWIW, the only time I saw the 7200 line in mine (when I was reflashing in July I think?), I just copied my 6800 line to the 7200 line and that seemed to work sanely (on that Curve2300 map I'm still running). I wonder if I should reflash the stock 7200-line data before I do a software update, in case by "removing" the 7200 line from the tool, they're leaving my old custom settings stuck in place? __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

08-30-2013, 07:22 PM	#215 (permalink)
Baer383 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Lawrenceville,Ga Posts: 4,293 Drives: My foot up your azz Rep Power: 30	Hans told me to put the 7200 rpm line back to stock value,and I haven't had the same issue show up. __________________ 2013 ZL1 754 rwhp 747 rwtq

09-27-2013, 07:40 PM	#218 (permalink)
Awgd8 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: WI Posts: 165 Drives: 2015 Q40 / 2008 EX35 Rep Power: 12	HI guys! I am new here. I do not have a 370z, but I have a crossover 2008 Infiniti EX35, which is now called Infiniti QX50. I believe I am the only guy with UpRev tuned EX35 and Seymore4 did my E-tuning a few weeks ago. It is NA Engine -VQ35HR AWD 5SPEED A/T dual intake. I have a Uprev tuner's version and I could play around with the tune 24/7 =) Basically, I only requested 3 MAPS, 1)TUNED WOT-Rich 12.9:1 for Winter 2)Valet 3)Tuned-WOT-Lean (fuel economy) 13.25:1 So I got bored and read this forum. I decided to copy all parameters from my MAP1 except the Electronic Throttle one. I copy what WSTAR made on his throttle parameters and I noticed a much better improvement from 2.5K up RPM. I could definitely see an improvement in smoothness and throttle response specially on the highway. NEW MAP#5 DONE! Thumbs up to WSTAR ! I enjoy using my new MAP4 with Wstar throttle settings when I drive on the highway. Is this WSTAR final ELEC. Throttle Settings? BTW, even though ECU ROM on CIPHER shows 6400 RPM MAX vs 6800 and 7200, the settings still works for my car~ UNKNOWNDESI, What about your parameters? Is yours final too? I will give that throttle parameters a try too and I will report back. That will go to my MAP#5. Last edited by Awgd8; 09-27-2013 at 08:21 PM.

09-27-2013, 10:32 PM	#219 (permalink)
Baer383 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Lawrenceville,Ga Posts: 4,293 Drives: My foot up your azz Rep Power: 30	Your not suppose to change 6800-7200 rpm,you just leave the stock values if not the ECU will throw it into limp mode at high RPM. __________________ 2013 ZL1 754 rwhp 747 rwtq

09-28-2013, 09:51 AM	#221 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	Not that it matters now since the 7200 line is gone in the new version, but I should note that yes mine threw a P0605 eventually. I just hadn't actually hit the rev limiter with that map in place. Once I did, boy that was unpleasant Car limps until you reset the code, something about a ROM Error. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

08-30-2013, 05:19 PM	#212 (permalink)
unknowndesi Base Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: GTA Posts: 15 Drives: 08 G37 Rep Power: 13	8064 81CC 82D1 844C 858C 86A4 8866 89D3 8B2C 8C76 8D7A 8DD5 8E29 8E74 8EB5 8ED8 8000 81A9 82B2 8433 8579 8696 8860 89D3 8B2F 8C7B 8D7E 8DD8 8E2C 8E76 8EB6 8ED8 7FBC 8187 8293 841A 8566 8688 885A 89D3 8B33 8C80 8D82 8DDC 8E2F 8E78 8EB8 8ED8 7FB0 8164 8273 8401 8553 867A 8854 89D3 8B36 8C85 8D86 8DDF 8E32 8E7A 8EB9 8ED8 7F8F 8141 8253 83E7 853F 866B 884E 89D3 8B3A 8C8A 8D8B 8DE3 8E35 8E7C 8EBA 8ED8 7F4F 811E 8234 83CE 852C 865D 8848 89D3 8B3E 8C8E 8D8F 8DE7 8E38 8E7E 8EBB 8ED8 7F27 80FC 8215 83B5 8518 864F 8842 89D3 8B41 8C93 8D93 8DEA 8E3B 8E80 8EBC 8ED8 7F2B 80D9 81F6 839C 8505 8640 883C 89D3 8B45 8C98 8D97 8DEE 8E3E 8E83 8EBD 8ED8 7EFC 80B7 81D7 8383 84F2 8632 8836 89D3 8B48 8C9D 8D9B 8DF1 8E41 8E85 8EBE 8ED8 7ED4 8094 81B8 836B 84DF 8624 8830 89D3 8B4C 8CA1 8D9F 8DF5 8E44 8E87 8EBF 8ED8 7ED4 8071 8198 8351 84CB 8615 882A 89D3 8B4F 8CA6 8DA3 8DF8 8E47 8E89 8EC0 8ED8 7ECA 804E 8179 8338 84B8 8607 8824 89D3 8B53 8CAB 8DA7 8DFC 8E49 8E8B 8EC2 8ED8 7E9A 802B 815A 831F 84A4 85F9 881E 89D3 8B57 8CB0 8DAB 8E00 8E4C 8E8D 8EC3 8ED8 7E64 7FFA 812D 82FC 8489 85E5 8816 89D3 8B5C 8CB7 8DB1 8E05 8E51 8E90 8EC4 8ED8 7D47 7EF7 8044 8241 83F8 857A 87E9 89D3 8B76 8CDA 8DD0 8E1F 8E66 8E9F 8ECD 8ED8 7D6C 7EB7 801E 8227 83E3 8564 87CE 89D3 8B8A 8CE3 8DD2 8E26 8E6C 8EA6 8ED0 8ED8 I put that together for the and edited the 7200 portion. I do not get any limp mode like issues.

08-31-2013, 03:18 PM	#216 (permalink)
unknowndesi Base Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: GTA Posts: 15 Drives: 08 G37 Rep Power: 13	Wow you're right I made a back up of the original rim editor and supporting files and updated it. I wonder why they went back to the 6800 line

09-28-2013, 04:15 PM	#222 (permalink)
Awgd8 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: WI Posts: 165 Drives: 2015 Q40 / 2008 EX35 Rep Power: 12	Ok I just tried both settings from baer383 and wstar and I could hardly tell the difference. I just noticed I have slight rough downshift while cruising with baer383 settings. It id only once in a while, not all the time.

09-29-2013, 07:45 AM	#223 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	The differences are subtle. Also, as noted earlier in this thread: I think the general improvements are good with these maps (in that they allow WOT at low RPM with a bit less lag, and they do it with a smooth function instead of a herky-jerky step function), but I think the curves are backwards from where they should be for drivability. I just haven't had the time or inclination to go and come up with another version of this. By the way, have you compared your stock map with the copy of my stock map I posted? I don't know how close they are to begin with. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

09-29-2013, 07:51 AM	#224 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	I don't think I posted this here before, only off in another thread, but this is what I mean. This is a scan from the excellent book "Think Fast" that covers a lot of race car setup stuff. They're making the case that it's better for the curve to go in the opposite direction of the one in my throttle table. Either way you want the start and end points the same, so the curvature of the graph is all about trading off fine control in one area for lack of fine control (rapid response to input) in another, and the argument is basically that you want more fine control in the low end of the pedal since that's where you're feathering around with traction in mid-corner: __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

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