VDC quirks after UpRev

6MT · 09-01-2011, 11:54 AM

I'm not sure if this is psychological or real.... I have been noticing a distinct difference in engine behavior with the VDC program turned off compared to having it on. All of this after I got my ECU UpRev tune.

With the VDC turned on: No noticable engine knock, better torque "feel" at low (under 2k rpms) revs, no initial start-up knock.

With VDC turned off: a noticable engine knock at low rpms (under 1K), slight hestiation between 2000 to 2800 rpms, and a slight knock at initial cold start-up.

Someone tell me I'm crazy... or is this real?

(Serious responses only, please

)

Red__Zed · 09-01-2011, 11:58 AM

Can you capture it on video?

6MT · 09-01-2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Can you capture it on video?

Uhh.... not really.

Zat_Zuma · 09-01-2011, 12:05 PM

Can you log on Cipher to see what the timing is doing and throttle position?

6MT · 09-01-2011, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Zat_Zuma

Can you log on Cipher to see what the timing is doing and throttle position?

No, I didn't get the cable.

It's really not an issue. I find that the engine is perfect with the program on. I was just wondering if anyone else has noticed this. Since I mostly drove the car with the program turned off. But since the tune, I drive it with the program turned on.

Zat_Zuma · 09-01-2011, 12:30 PM

Hmmm I wonder if my cable will allow us to log with Cipher? I'll check into that

6MT · 09-01-2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Zat_Zuma

Hmmm I wonder if my cable will allow us to log with Cipher? I'll check into that

I don't think so. Your license is different than mine. And when the software seaches my VIN, it won't allow a different license to have access. (The license software is built into the cable.)

red6spd · 09-01-2011, 01:06 PM

Your Crazy!!!!!!!!!!! LOL J/k. I never had these issues but I do feel a difference with the VDC off in a good way. On I feel the car hold back more often almost like I'm losing traction when I should not be. I have even had VDC blink on my dash if I pop her down to like 3rd at highway speeds and punch it. I know I'm not losing traction just weird.

birdmanx1 · 09-01-2011, 01:08 PM

Does the knock happen while on the aggressive map only? What happens when you switch to the normal UPrev map then turn VDC off. I'm planning on getting the tune done but wouldn't really want to deal with glitches or bug related to UPRev.

6MT · 09-01-2011, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

Your Crazy!!!!!!!!!!! LOL J/k. I never had these issues but I do feel a difference with the VDC off in a good way. On I feel the car hold back more often almost like I'm losing traction when I should not be. I have even had VDC blink on my dash if I pop her down to like 3rd at highway speeds and punch it. I know I'm not losing traction just weird.

Me, I notice the opposite.

Yeah, I've noticed the wheel spin indicator lamp on the dash light up under a full-throttle burn too (with the program turned off). That's the abs sensor noticing a very slight (you'd never feel it) "wheel starting to spin" situation.

wstar · 09-01-2011, 01:35 PM

If you've made changes to the tire diameters (new tires and/or wheels) that could affect VDC's sensitivity as well. But the engine knock / hesitation thing is troubling. Have you tried reflashing to stock and back again, and experimenting with both?

ChipsWithDips · 09-01-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 6MT

I don't think so. Your license is different than mine. And when the software seaches my VIN, it won't allow a different license to have access. (The license software is built into the cable.)

License only matters for flashing, not logging.

6MT · 09-01-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

If you've made changes to the tire diameters (new tires and/or wheels) that could affect VDC's sensitivity as well. But the engine knock / hesitation thing is troubling. Have you tried reflashing to stock and back again, and experimenting with both?

Well, thanks for the ideas. But I'm not looking to "solve" this issue. The engine performs incredibly with the VDC on. I was asking if anyone else has encountered this (?). Re-flashing would ruin my tune and I'm not interested in starting over.

My question was; is anyone else noticing this issue with the VDC on/off?

6MT · 09-01-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by birdmanx1

Does the knock happen while on the aggressive map only? What happens when you switch to the normal UPrev map then turn VDC off. I'm planning on getting the tune done but wouldn't really want to deal with glitches or bug related to UPRev.

I only had one map done and I cleared the OEM one. I didn't see any point in switching maps for the kind of driving I do.

wstar · 09-01-2011, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 6MT

Well, thanks for the ideas. But I'm not looking to "solve" this issue. The engine performs incredibly with the VDC on. I was asking if anyone else has encountered this (?). Re-flashing would ruin my tune and I'm not interested in starting over.

My question was; is anyone else noticing this issue with the VDC on/off?

VDC on/off shouldn't affect your engine one bit, when not in the process of slipping and correcting. By reflashing, I mean flash back to OEM, then flash back to the exact same flash you have now. UpRev or your tuner should have provided you with both flash files (a "back to OEM" flash, and your tuned flash, as files). You wouldn't need to start over, and it would eliminate the UpRev as the issue if VDC continues to do this on the OEM flash.

09-01-2011, 11:54 AM	#1 (permalink)
6MT A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: ITU Zone 2 Posts: 22,459 Drives: Reliant Robin Rep Power: 1790	VDC quirks after UpRev I'm not sure if this is psychological or real.... I have been noticing a distinct difference in engine behavior with the VDC program turned off compared to having it on. All of this after I got my ECU UpRev tune. With the VDC turned on: No noticable engine knock, better torque "feel" at low (under 2k rpms) revs, no initial start-up knock. With VDC turned off: a noticable engine knock at low rpms (under 1K), slight hestiation between 2000 to 2800 rpms, and a slight knock at initial cold start-up. Someone tell me I'm crazy... or is this real? (Serious responses only, please) __________________ Andrew 2009 370Z Sport/Touring 6MT sold 2013 Honda Civic Si coupe D/D

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Zat_Zuma A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Edmonton, Alberta ...eh Posts: 1,171 Drives: 2017 Touring auto Rep Power: 19	Hmmm I wonder if my cable will allow us to log with Cipher? I'll check into that __________________ [B]2009 & 2017 370Z Touring Sport Autos SOLD

09-01-2011, 01:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
red6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 3,277 Drives: 2010 Z Coupe M6 SPT Rep Power: 21	Your Crazy!!!!!!!!!!! LOL J/k. I never had these issues but I do feel a difference with the VDC off in a good way. On I feel the car hold back more often almost like I'm losing traction when I should not be. I have even had VDC blink on my dash if I pop her down to like 3rd at highway speeds and punch it. I know I'm not losing traction just weird. __________________ 2010 Base+Sport 6spd: Stillen G3, FI Non-Resonated CBE, FI Non-Resonated Test Pipes, UpRev Tuned, Custom 24R Oil Cooler, JDM Rear Fog-OEM Harness. ???Whp ???WTQ (Will find out come spring time)

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birdmanx1 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Baltimore, MD Age: 95 Posts: 3,175 Drives: 370z Nismo Rep Power: 24	Does the knock happen while on the aggressive map only? What happens when you switch to the normal UPrev map then turn VDC off. I'm planning on getting the tune done but wouldn't really want to deal with glitches or bug related to UPRev. __________________ 370Z NISMO #0462 \| ClearBra \| 3M tint \| Head/Taillights \| Dynamat \| Black Roof \| Tommy Kaira HB \| CF Parts \| Berk HFCs \| FI SS \| NST Pulleys \| Takeda aFe \| K&N \| H&R Spacers \| Swift Spec R \| SPC F&R \| Zuperman M370 Nismo Vid \| Nismo Journal \| Nismo Rumble

09-01-2011, 11:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	Can you capture it on video?

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wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	If you've made changes to the tire diameters (new tires and/or wheels) that could affect VDC's sensitivity as well. But the engine knock / hesitation thing is troubling. Have you tried reflashing to stock and back again, and experimenting with both? __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

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