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Rooskey 08-10-2010 02:01 AM

Fuel tuned
 
Anyone think you can gain anything by adjustiing your fuel pressure. Its worth five to ten hp on a dyno if you look at it. Especially if you own a nismo.

WarmAndSCSI 08-10-2010 02:13 AM

Adjusting fuel pressure will never make you a bit of power unless it was seriously too low to begin with, thus hampering proper fuel atomization at the injectors. Otherwise, you'd effectively be richening the mixture by increasing fuel pressure, which is never good for power unless you are running too lean.

Stock fuel pressure is probably around 40 psi at curb idle, so about 50 psi at WOT. Unless it's falling somewhere way outside of that, no power could possibly be gained. I suppose it's possible to lean out the mixture and gain a fraction of a hp before negatively affecting the efficiency of the engine due to poor atomization.

Jordo! 08-10-2010 02:40 AM

More fuel without more air will not net you more power (unless perhaps you were detonating, and the extra fuel quenches it -- that said, you're not detonating.)

And the OEM tune is pretty rich as it is...

Rooskey 08-10-2010 03:03 AM

So when I add intake and exhaust to my car I should keep my same fuel ratio. I do not want to add fuel pressure even in this case. If I do go lean on a dyno at least I can correct it.

Rooskey 08-10-2010 03:07 AM

I have built and many engine's on drag racing cars and engines. Im not trying to prove anything. I just want to know who makes a good FPR for the 370 z. Thank you for your help

WarmAndSCSI 08-10-2010 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rooskey (Post 667739)
So when I add intake and exhaust to my car I should keep my same fuel ratio. I do not want to add fuel pressure even in this case. If I do go lean on a dyno at least I can correct it.

Messing with your fuel pressure only serves to throw off your closed loop fuel trims. This is by far the worst way of tuning ever. Your car has electronically controlled fuel injection, which happens to be tunable electronically, please don't tune it like it has a carburetor. :tiphat:

Plus I'm pretty sure our fuel pressure regulator is located in-tank along with the filter and pump.

WarmAndSCSI 08-10-2010 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rooskey (Post 667744)
I have built and many engine's on drag racing cars and engines. Im not trying to prove anything. I just want to know who makes a good FPR for the 370 z. Thank you for your help

Not sure what you've worked on before, but if you're used to adjusting fuel mixture by messing with fuel pressure, the 370Z is going to be a whole new world...

Please refer to what I said above about our fuel system - definitely not worth modifying to the extent of adding an AFPR unless you are boosted, and heavily boosted at that.

Jordo! 08-10-2010 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rooskey (Post 667739)
So when I add intake and exhaust to my car I should keep my same fuel ratio. I do not want to add fuel pressure even in this case. If I do go lean on a dyno at least I can correct it.

#1, an intake and exhaust isn't going to make so great a difference that the ECU can't compensate with fuel trims -- in fact, it doesn't even appear to result in trims that are out of the "normal" range, and I've heard very few reports of driveability quirks that can be clearly traced to those bolt-ons.

Speaking of bolt-ons and AFR's, there are some dynos posted on here from Import Tuner Magazine of a 370Z with intake, intake+exahust, and both + tuning.

Interestingly enough, there is virtually no difference between the AFR's before and after the tune... in other words, you should be fine without tuning for those bolt-ons, although the tune would allow you to optimize performance, it doesn't appear to be mandatory for bolt-ons.

#2, If you really want to play with the AFR's, with or without bolt-ons, see about getting a Cobb Accessport or the Uprev Osirus ECU programmer/reflasher, and schedule some dyno time.

#3 If you were boosted, you would have serious fueling issues with the OEM set-up, and your concerns would be warranted. However, even with a blower or turbo, before going to an AFPR, you'd probably just upgrade to bigger fuel injectors. Tuning the ECU would be a must at that point as well.

hotdog 04-19-2011 12:38 AM

if its tuned right it should look like this at red line
http://image.importtuner.com/f/10768...r_backfire.jpg

Rooskey 04-19-2011 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by hotdog (Post 1061115)
if its tuned right it should look like this at red line
http://image.importtuner.com/f/10768...r_backfire.jpg


Has anyone seen the showtime special The Whites from West Virginia with Hank the 3rd???

hotdog 04-19-2011 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rooskey (Post 1061123)
Has anyone seen the showtime special The Whites from West Virginia with Hank the 3rd???

:nutswinger:

schrack150 04-19-2011 12:52 AM

jesco ? the dancing outlaw

Rooskey 04-19-2011 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by schrack150 (Post 1061134)
jesco ? the dancing outlaw


Yep!! Lol! :bowrofl: No punt intended schrack150 one of my best friends is from Beckley, WV. Good folks

fncrow 04-19-2011 02:01 AM

Speaking of fuel what about E85? I've been reading on the forums about GTR guys modifying their cars to accept E85 fuel with good success. Has it been done to a 370 yet? Can it even be done?

Rooskey 04-19-2011 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by fncrow (Post 1061255)
Speaking of fuel what about E85? I've been reading on the forums about GTR guys modifying their cars to accept E85 fuel with good success. Has it been done to a 370 yet? Can it even be done?


Not sure but I know the gas milage goes to crap with that stuff. Are they able to compensate with the added power? Maybe with a factory blower they can. Whats the details?


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