Just means tuning is going to get more expensive and things are going to have to get done through the can bus. If your tuner is smart this shouldn’t effect any cars tuned before this stupid update. Just don’t update through Ecu tek.

Lol stand-alones have always been an option. This VQ community are to cheap and broke to install one.

For the VHR, there's only two options I know of, Motec and Syvecs, which means only certain shops. VVEL and dual DBW makes it a little more difficult....basically a huge jump from Ecutek/Uprev to a standalone vs other cars that can get away with AEM EMS, Haltech Elites, or even Megasquirts.

Side note: I'm hoping to go home this winter and finally work on my car, but decided to go with Syvecs

You forgot Emtron.

Can someone please confirm this?

Well, European/UK ECUs range from $2-600 (converted from GBP/Euro) so there's always a way... or just do like Elmo said and not update/turn off auto-updates if you already have Ecutek.

When you say this do you mean as tuner not to update or for a consumer? I’ve always updated the latest software on the laptop for any bug fixes etc in regards to whatever program fixes may have been done but it doesn’t overwrite your ROM and still allows all access to logging, dtc’s etc so I’m not sure what your trying to say. I don’t think anything is going to change here unless you load some new ROM to your ECM. I’m I missing something?

Update and find out

If the main issue is not being able to disable the O2 sensor then this isn't so big of an issue I think people are making it out to be. For a while now a lot of states didn't allow you to pass emissions with a emissions sensor disabled. NJ I know first hand, mini cats work, and are very inexpensive now days. Prosport has one and I've used bigdaddiesgarage.com and they worked.

Yup, and let us know how that goes; I'm not taking that chance until someone else does and confirms :rofl2:

This is something more along the lines that Husam/Seb/Eugene/etc. should answer, but from my take: It's not only the O2 sensors, it's also the Evap and possibly the modification of the "OBD tables outside of OEM min/max parameters" (or whatever it says) that could potentially seriously limit the ability of a tuner to tune a vehicle, especially a boosted one.

Ooof, got a hard stop in the app this morning requiring a firmware update in order to connect to the car. Blocks me from using the dashboard and using my phone to data log.

Anyone else hit this yet? Very paranoid that any update will ruin plans, because I'm currently hijacking the rear O2 sensors for oil pressure and ethanol content.

What if you put your phone into airplane mode or on a laptop just disable Wi-Fi?

I said F it and went standalone. Dang expensive though. 20k or so and not done yet.

I keep hearing about a can bus module you will be able to plug in to get the extra sensor capability.